Post-Game Talk: GAME #20 - Nothing to give thanks for in Ottawa as Sens beats B's 3-1

[bwunderlich]

"I didn't like our game tonight, decision making, puck management, I would say there were a lot of no shows, as well. Those are things that can't happen in these kind of games. Definitely not happy with not just the outcome, but our team. Definitely we need to be better."

Was wondering what CJ would say and "no shows" sums it up pretty well.

Will he send a message tonight?

 

[Blowfish]

"I didn't like our game tonight, decision making, puck management, I would say there were a lot of no shows, as well. Those are things that can't happen in these kind of games. Definitely not happy with not just the outcome, but our team. Definitely we need to be better."

Was wondering what CJ would say and "no shows" sums it up pretty well.

Will he send a message tonight?

Unfortunately Cehlarik and Kurelay stuck playing AHL game tonight.

 

[s3antana5757]

The Bruins problems:

Adam McQuaid 15g 0 0 0 -1
Jimmy Hayes 18g 0 0 0 -11
Colin Miller 15g 1 1 2 -6
JM Liles 20g 0 4 4 -3
Riley Nash 19g 1 3 4 2
Matt Beleskey 19 g 2 3 5 -6
Torey Krug 20 g 1 5 6 -9

Add on the sputtering offense from Bergeron and Spooner. Yikes.

Not a very good team right now.

This goes back to handing out all these bad contracts. The B's idea is acquire or retain big, less skilled players. See McQ, K. Miller, Beleksey and Hayes. This is what you get. Guys that simply don't produce.

The guys you listed combine to make $18 million. If you add K. Miller, that's $20 million. They probably would've been better off atleast for this year going and spending all that money on Stamkos and Yandle and filling in with minimum guys around them. It's just crazy to me all the missed opportunities and horrible cap/asset management. These are the results you get.

 

[tburns21]

how many more loses till we see our old buddy CJ shown the door?

 

[BruinDust]

This goes back to handing out all these bad contracts. The B's idea is acquire or retain big, less skilled players. See McQ, K. Miller, Beleksey and Hayes. This is what you get. Guys that simply don't produce.

The guys you listed combine to make $18 million. If you add K. Miller, that's $20 million. They probably would've been better off atleast for this year going and spending all that money on Stamkos and Yandle and filling in with minimum guys around them. It's just crazy to me all the missed opportunities and horrible cap/asset management. These are the results you get.

But you know what, we can bemoan the bad contracts, yada yada, but at the end of the day, this team isn't up against the cap right now. They haven't not acquired top players because of cap contraints, they haven't acquired top players because they haven't been capable of acquiring top players.

This team isn't being held back by some cap issues preventing upgrades. This team is being held back because:

A) The overall collection of players simply aren't good enough.

B) The higher end players they do have outside of Pastrnak, Chara, Carlo, and Rask, haven't produced anywhere close to expectations, even Saint Patrice and Marchand (subtract his 5 pt game and his numbers are average at best).

As it stands this team has to play perfect defensive hockey to have a chance to win. Secondary scoring from both the forwards and the D is almost non-existent (the addition of Kevan Miller certainly isn't going to help in that regard). Primary scoring is also an issue.

Meanwhile, we have a coach and staff who refuse to admit their 1st PP unit isn't working (well it worked last year I believe was Claude's comment), and a template for forward line combinations that has resulted in the Bruins being near the bottom of the pack in terms of goals scored at the 20 game mark with no apparent changes in sight.

 

[Pia8988]

how many more loses till we see our old buddy CJ shown the door?

A lot. Chara getting hurt probably helps him in that regard.

 

[Blowfish]

how many more loses till we see our old buddy CJ shown the door?

I expect if this trend continues he will be the first of all NHL coaches to be in those discussions.

 

[s3antana5757]

But you know what, we can bemoan the bad contracts, yada yada, but at the end of the day, this team isn't up against the cap right now. They haven't not acquired top players because of cap contraints, they haven't acquired top players because they haven't been capable of acquiring top players.

This team isn't being held back by some cap issues preventing upgrades. This team is being held back because:

A) The overall collection of players simply aren't good enough.

B) The higher end players they do have outside of Pastrnak, Chara, Carlo, and Rask, haven't produced anywhere close to expectations, even Saint Patrice and Marchand (subtract his 5 pt game and his numbers are average at best).

As it stands this team has to play perfect defensive hockey to have a chance to win. Secondary scoring from both the forwards and the D is almost non-existent (the addition of Kevan Miller certainly isn't going to help in that regard). Primary scoring is also an issue.

Meanwhile, we have a coach and staff who refuse to admit their 1st PP unit isn't working (well it worked last year I believe was Claude's comment), and a template for forward line combinations that has resulted in the Bruins being near the bottom of the pack in terms of goals scored at the 20 game mark with no apparent changes in sight.

Agreed on all points.

 

[Spanky185]

how many more loses till we see our old buddy CJ shown the door?

Unfortunately it will probably take a protracted losing streak.

 

[chizzler]

Unfortunately it will probably take a protracted losing streak.

He'll make the whole year. Roster doesn't help the pro crowd. Off-season, yup.

 

[dredeye]

This goes back to handing out all these bad contracts. The B's idea is acquire or retain big, less skilled players. See McQ, K. Miller, Beleksey and Hayes. This is what you get. Guys that simply don't produce.

The guys you listed combine to make $18 million. If you add K. Miller, that's $20 million. They probably would've been better off atleast for this year going and spending all that money on Stamkos and Yandle and filling in with minimum guys around them. It's just crazy to me all the missed opportunities and horrible cap/asset management. These are the results you get.

While I agree we are riddled with bad contracts your suggestion would have put us in an equally bad situation especially in the years to come. We've signed to many players with bottom line abilities to longer term high value deals. Every contract mentioned in that post is abismal and an overpay by about a million dollars.

 

[tburns21]

at this point looking at things, you need vatrano to come back and play in the top 6 on DK's left side. he needs a shooter on that line and someone to push the pace a bit. Bels is doing ok but he's really just an excellent 3rd liner and give the PP unit some jam.

not impressed with krug at all so far this season.... in fact other than the "Charlo" pairing I'd say get rid of all of them.... I think it's safe to say 37 is till trying to fight off some pain from his post world cup injury.

if they move backs I think he needs to slot in at "3rd" line center or they need to give backs n DK a better wing than belesky. hayes needs to go... he needs to be waived, no ones gonna take him but at least let him go to prov. or heck put him in the top 6 and see if he can get something going for himself.

March-bergy-Pasta (too much chemistry going on to break this up)
vatrano-krecji-hayes
spooner-backes-czarnik
Schaller-moore-acciari
ex nash

It's such a toss up who should sit more between nash and hayes right now.

I was one of the fans thinking man we got lots to protect for expansion draft but after the end of last season and the start of this season, there's nothing I can see us losing that is going to be earth shattering. even if you traded mcquaid and lost kevan to exp I'm not losing sleep over that.

I don't think the UFA pool is littered with talent this year but the B's need an overhaul. neely needs to go, CJ I think is running on thin ice, Krecji is slowly becoming a whipping boy, at this point I'd be having a convo with moore for another 1 year deal.

I hope we see a deal or two even small tinkerings before xmas, ands then see where we stand by the deadline. do we have pieces we could even move as rentals at the TDL?

 

[tburns21]

Unfortunately it will probably take a protracted losing streak.

I was throwing it out there because of what happened with Pitts last year, a lot of good tools team not doing so well, mid season ish they fire the coach bring in Sullivan and go on a tear.... I like CJ he's done a lot of good things here but someones heads gotta be on the chopping block. other coaches have figured out his strategy and his lack of adaptability. they figured out how to beat guys like K miller and mcquaid, they know the PP1 unit is going to try and fluff a slapshot from 60 ft out. uggghhh

 

[tburns21]

I think CJ needs to move this team from always playing "shut-down" styles and find a way to open it up and play high octane hockey. it worked for teams last year and is working consistently this year. the ideology is your playing offence you don't need to worry as much about defence. but claude likes to 5 man wall type style but guys are learning to get passed that. ie that 1st n 3rd sens goal was picking apart flaws and mental errors in the B's system/game.

 

[BruinDust]

I think CJ needs to move this team from always playing "shut-down" styles and find a way to open it up and play high octane hockey. it worked for teams last year and is working consistently this year. the ideology is your playing offence you don't need to worry as much about defence. but claude likes to 5 man wall type style but guys are learning to get passed that. ie that 1st n 3rd sens goal was picking apart flaws and mental errors in the B's system/game.

He relies on the 1-2-2- forecheck way too much.

No.1, you can't gum up the neutral zone they way teams used to, the overall speed has increased makes it harder and harder to lock the game down in the neutral zone.

No.2, let's take Backes for example. Here you have a horse of a human being. I watched plenty of St. Louis in last years playoffs, where he played RW, and he was simply a menace on the forecheck, just terrorized opposing D-men.

So now he's here in Boston, utilizing a 1-2-2- forecheck the majority of the time, how often is he able to really get on the forecheck and use his strengths?

It's not the only reason, but it's one reason his numbers are down, and one reason why historically under Julien wingers have had trouble scoring as the forecheck set-up is essentially just one forechecker 90% of the time. That's just simple math, one forechecker = less opportunities for wingers to score.

 

[SPLBRUIN]

Have to think that Bergeron is playing hurt, he just doesn't seem right. Julien has no choice but to try and mix things up front, move Pastrnak down to Krejci's line and move Backes back to center among other moves. Hayes just simply has to go, he offers nothing to this team, he's slow, can't score, can't hit, below average defensively and can't kill penalties, enough is enough.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Boring hockey for some time now. Clode hockey.

This team looks like they need some major help and it's a combination of things.

They need a back-up goaltender to take the pressure off Tuukka. He is playing hurt.

They need some defensive help. Since Hamilton and Boychuk left, nothing has been brought in except for the emergence of Carlo.

They need to find some help scoring. We are missing Vatrano, but he's not a savior.

Donny needs to do something.

Either this team should make some moves or let them dive to the bottom for a good draft pick. It's already next year country.

Agreed.

I am probably in the minority but I believe that Claude has actually had the team playing over their heads for the most part. They have terrible foward depth and he has had to deal with Pastrnak's absence and Bergy (His best player) fighting injury. I don't see what Claude could do better.

 

[MetM]

I will see the Bruins live twice this year.
That was one of them.
Horrible game.

 

[BruinDust]

Agreed.

I am probably in the minority but I believe that Claude has actually had the team playing over their heads for the most part. They have terrible foward depth and he has had to deal with Pastrnak's absence and Bergy (His best player) fighting injury. I don't see what Claude could do better.

How about, oh I don't know, change the forward line-up template he's been using for a quarter of a season now to minimal offensive success.

 

[slim399]

Make a trade for a top 4 dman, most likely including Spooner, a dman from current roster, plus prospects/ picks. Like most I don't want both McQuaid and K Miller in the line up.

Time to do something with Jimmy Hayes. Maybe send him to New York to play with the other Boston boys in return for a mid pick or prospect.

Bring up the kids... At least a couple of Cehlarik, Debrusk, Heinen, O'Gara

Line up Bergeron, Krejci, Backes, Moore down the middle and spread the offensive wealth over all 4 lines

 

[lopey]

This team lacks talent after the first line. Belesky and Hayes are both busts. Hayes is so slow and useless big body. I hope we end up in the bottom 5 of the league and get a shot at the lottery. I don't want another 14th pick. Doing this leaves us in hockey purgatory.

 

[BBB24]

how many more loses till we see our old buddy CJ shown the door?[/QUsOTE]

Somewhere in the range of 100, get over it he is going nowhere, nor should he be.

 

[Blowfish]

how many more loses till we see our old buddy CJ shown the door?[/QUsOTE]

Somewhere in the range of 100, get over it he is going nowhere, nor should he be.

Pretty confident statement. You think the Jacobs feel the same? Do you think the players feel the same? Do you think some fans feel the same?

If this slide continues it will be in the headlines soon enough.

 

[pierre gagnon*]

how many more loses till we see our old buddy CJ shown the door?[/QUsOTE]

Somewhere in the range of 100, get over it he is going nowhere, nor should he be.

No one is immune he is lucky Rask, Moore, Carlo and Chara have played way above expectations add Pasta and Marchand or we are with the Sabres. He basically got all the play safe guys refreshed, signed Kevan and has McQuaid in the top 4. They went out and got Nash, Schaller, Hayes, Backes, Moore and neutered Spooner and Czarnik. He has to get them to play games at 1-0 or 2-1 wins above .500 for the rest of the year or be gone. He has his guys so no excuses this year

 

[NDiesel]

That game was hard to watch. Passes were awful, defense was awful and decision making was awful.