Pre-Game Talk: Game 2. The Stuart Skinner Shit Show (with Pole!)

[avocadosmoothie]

Wtf was that... not talked about nearly enough. Could've tied the game there

that was atrocious, he needs to come out. if you can't get even get a shot on net there, what are you doing playing in a WCF?

 

[oXo Cube]

Get some saves and stop high sticking people in the O-Zone and the team will be fine.

They won't be rattled. Not the first playoff game they've lost in comical fashion. Not even the first this season.

 

[K1984]

It's funny though. When they do so, it works, but they always end up getting an itchy trigger finger because Nurse actually looks competent when paired with Stetcher so they hope it translates into his game in other pairs, and as soon as they try it, bad things start to happen again.

It's the same thing every god damn playoff, but they refuse to learn.

I still have going back to the Nurse-Ceci pair for Game 1 of the Final as a major reason we ultimately lost the series. Nurse played well with Kulak for all of 3 games and then they rushed to go back to what didn't work before because "oh well he must be on track now."Same thing with Skinner. "Two shutouts, he will be ok for a bit." Even I fell into this logical fallacy.

This organization is doing a major disservice to themselves until they realize that Nurse and Skinner will never build on any positive such that they have "figured it out" or can be trusted again with a bigger role. Both are among the worst playoff performers I can ever remember in hockey, but this organization will just pretend that isn't the case and will eat a lot of losses due to them before they'll begrudgingly manage them. The second they look good though? Right back to where they were before only so they can fail again.

 

[TB12]

How can Pickard be "day-to-day" and not even come with the team to Dallas? I'm not saying I doubt the medical team, but they need to work on their phrasing.

 

[bone]

To be fair, it’s not the first time they’ve shit away a lead this playoffs and both teams have come back to win. Either team should feel this way. This will likely be a long series

Yeah, it's a weird one where in the Oiler games this year in games where either team got up 2-0, that team only won 4 of 7 games.

Also 10 out of 12 games at least one team has earned a 2 goal lead at some point in the game (11 if you count the empty net in the 3-1 LA game), and 7 of those times the trailing team either tied it up or took a lead. An early 2 goal lead may be the kiss of death this year.

 

[Drivesaitl]

34% of you picked the wrong answer. heh

2 of the PP GA on Skinner in third period.

1) Point shot beats him clean. he didn't even look for it. Its basically impossible for a pk to remove a point shot or block it every time, some are getting at net, you can't take everything away. Thats on Skinner.

2)Stars 4th goal is on Skinner, he's not even in his net, he's not even in his net for several seconds. He somehow thinks the puck is the other way, or behind net, or behind the tool shed, or something. Duchene whacks it in after about the third try because Skinner pulled himself while on the pk.


The only goal people can really fault the pk on is the Granlund shot that goes bar down. They left a bit of seam there but somehow Skinner who is huge, and tall lets it in even though its an obvious shot and not going to be anything else. Skinner too low, puck goes in over his shoulder. I'm not even blaming Skinner on that one.

But thats your rundown and somehow we have 1/3 of voters blaming the pk when the goalie made only 3 stops in third period while letting in 4 goals. One shot was a dump in and another was an empty net. Stars had only 7 real shots on Skinner in third and 4 went in.

Yeah I know what I'd blame.

 

[Drivesaitl]

How can Pickard be "day-to-day" and not even come with the team to Dallas? I'm not saying I doubt the medical team, but they need to work on their phrasing.

Not the only one that caught that. Kind of f***ing with us. heh

 

[bone]

Well one hopeful thing is that Skinner is actually better in Game 2s than Game 1s. Still not great going 3-4 with an .883 and 3.05, but he's a bit better still if Edmonton is down 1-0 going 3-2 with an .892 and 2.87.

But the unfortunate part is both of those losses were in his most recent game 2s twice allowing the team to go down 0-2. In fact, he's lost 3 Game 2s in a row now.

However prior to the current losing streak in Game 2s he's dealing with, he had been 3-0 in Game 2 when losing game 1 going .919 and 1.94, so there is some history of him rebounding in Game 2, just not recently.

 

[Drivesaitl]

The Oilers so thoroughly dominated the Stars 5v5 that I am very confident they take this series, maybe even in 5. The Oilers are going to shred Dallas once they get the matchups at home. If they can take tomorrow's victory, it's going to be over for Dallas.

But I said before this series started that the Stars's path to victory is through special teams. The Oilers PK, including Skinner, were markedly worse than I could have imagined. That PK was so bad, the Oilers only hope may be to avoid taking penalties at all costs. Maybe Ekholm stabilizes it, but it is so bad, at such a critical time, that this is virtually a fireable offense for whoever runs the PK. It has been that bad.

The pk legitimately gave up one goal. The tying goal. The other two were entirely on Skinner. You can't stop a point shot on pk everytime. Thats impossible. The 4th goal shouldn't occur with any pro goalie anywhere.

People look at 3pk goals allowed and blame whole team when Skinner dropped his pants on two of them. Skinner was the reason 2 of those pk goals were scored.

 

[Drivesaitl]

It's the same thing every god damn playoff, but they refuse to learn.

I still have going back to the Nurse-Ceci pair for Game 1 of the Final as a major reason we ultimately lost the series. Nurse played well with Kulak for all of 3 games and then they rushed to go back to what didn't work before because "oh well he must be on track now."Same thing with Skinner. "Two shutouts, he will be ok for a bit." Even I fell into this logical fallacy.

This organization is doing a major disservice to themselves until they realize that Nurse and Skinner will never build on any positive such that they have "figured it out" or can be trusted again with a bigger role. Both are among the worst playoff performers I can ever remember in hockey, but this organization will just pretend that isn't the case and will eat a lot of losses due to them before they'll begrudgingly manage them. The second they look good though? Right back to where they were before only so they can fail again.

thanks. Even you.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

You must be new here.

No. I’m just realistic. You think McDavid signs a contract without that being addressed ? I don’t.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

I hope you’re right. But the media, coaching and management narrative is that all is well with goaltending in Oilerland

Even winning the Cup, I want to see a new starter. They need someone with some consistency

I don’t think 29 and 97 agree. And I do believe they have had enough.

 

[avocadosmoothie]

No. I’m just realistic. You think McDavid signs a contract without that being addressed ? I don’t.

yeah, he's gonna re-sign, but he's gonna have them do something about it first

 

[Dirk Dangler]

34% of you picked the wrong answer. heh

2 of the PP GA on Skinner in third period.

1) Point shot beats him clean. he didn't even look for it. Its basically impossible for a pk to remove a point shot or block it every time, some are getting at net, you can't take everything away. Thats on Skinner.

2)Stars 4th goal is on Skinner, he's not even in his net, he's not even in his net for several seconds. He somehow thinks the puck is the other way, or behind net, or behind the tool shed, or something. Duchene whacks it in after about the third try because Skinner pulled himself while on the PP.


The only goal people can really fault the pk on is the shot that goes bar down. They left a bit of seam there but somehow Skinner who is huge, and tall lets it in even though its an obvious shot and not going to be anything else. Skinner too low, puck goes in over his shoulder. I'm not even blaming Skinner on that one.

But thats your rundown and somehow we have 1/3 of voters blaming the pk when the goalie made only 3 stops in third period while letting in 4 goals. One shot was a dump in and another was an empty net. Stars had only 7 real shots on Skinner in third and 4 went in.

Yeah I know what I'd blame.

Right. I mentioned last night that I didn’t think the PK was bad. The PK units were pressuring well and the Stars PP had trouble getting set up in the offensive zone a lot of the night. But when your goalie is the worst PK player the rest of the unit doesn’t really matter.

 

[Canovin]

Wtf was that... not talked about nearly enough. Could've tied the game there

If that was Jeff Skinner, it's a goal.

 

[Dirk Dangler]

Well one hopeful thing is that Skinner is actually better in Game 2s than Game 1s. Still not great going 3-4 with an .883 and 3.05, but he's a bit better still if Edmonton is down 1-0 going 3-2 with an .892 and 2.87.

But the unfortunate part is both of those losses were in his most recent game 2s twice allowing the team to go down 0-2. In fact, he's lost 3 Game 2s in a row now.

However prior to the current losing streak in Game 2s he's dealing with, he had been 3-0 in Game 2 when losing game 1 going .919 and 1.94, so there is some history of him rebounding in Game 2, just not recently.

JuSt wAiT TiLl GaMe 4

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I hope you’re right. But the media, coaching and management narrative is that all is well with goaltending in Oilerland

Even winning the Cup, I want to see a new starter. They need someone with some consistency

so you want to trade a goalie that led the team to a championship...for a goalie who may or may not do the same thing

make that make sense

 

[foshizzle]

How can Pickard be "day-to-day" and not even come with the team to Dallas? I'm not saying I doubt the medical team, but they need to work on their phrasing.

Rishaug, on the GYB pod, said Pickard isn’t even skating

 

[McJadeddog]

Kane getting a penalty and Duchene not getting a coincidental for his over the top embellishment was ridiculous. Pathetic little twerp.

Don't high stick him in the face then. Yes, Duchene embellished to a laughable degree, but if Kane doesn't put his stick in his face, nothing happens.

 

[TB12]

so you want to trade a goalie that led the team to a championship...for a goalie who may or may not do the same thing

make that make sense

The word "led" is doing A LOT of heavy lifting in your sentence there.

 

[McJadeddog]

I'd like to see Arvidsson in for Frederic.

Frederic has been a disappointment and the Stars aren't a physical team by any stretch.

I would actually like to see J Skinner in for Frederic. As you said, the Stars are one of the least physical teams in the league. Skinner has a much better chance affecting the game than Frederic does.

 

[Dirk Dangler]

so you want to trade a goalie that led the team to a championship...for a goalie who may or may not do the same thing

make that make sense

Led the team to a championship… Even if we win, Skinner didn’t lead the team anywhere. Along for the ride is more like it.

 

[McJadeddog]

I'm not going to get into a convo about Stu. Every player on that team fell into that quicksand in that 6 minute segment, Stu included. No one did what they needed to do.

I will check in to say, what the f*** was going on with the defensive deployment last night. The pairs from Game 4 and 5 were on fire again yesterday then they start messing around. The fancies show up to be:

2/27 - 95.36% xGF in 10:22 at 5 on 5
96/36 - 74.05% xGF in 11:57 at 5 on 5 (granted they had a GA)
25/51 - 72.84% xGF in 10:19 at 5 on 5.

But Coffey started messing with them and the results weren't pretty
25/2 - 18.37%xGF over 3:16
25/36 - 13.10%xGF over 3:37
25/27 - 18.79%xGF over 2:52
27/51 - 16.90%xGF over 3:18

If something's working quit trying to "fix it".

25/2 is so laughably bad, and has been for a long time, that it is beyond crazy that anybody puts them back together anymore.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Right. I mentioned last night that I didn’t think the PK was bad. The PK units were pressuring well and the Stars PP had trouble getting set up in the offensive zone a lot of the night. But when your goalie is the worst PK player the rest of the unit doesn’t really matter.

Bang, and this!

 

[Drivesaitl]

so you want to trade a goalie that led the team to a championship...for a goalie who may or may not do the same thing

make that make sense

Just tell us all you're trolling.

Skinner almost led us to a 2nd round exit. Only superhuman efforts from the team and Pickard prevented that.