Pre-Game Talk: Game 2. The Stuart Skinner Shit Show (with Pole!)

[Duke74]

Dallas is a much deeper team than Vegas or LA. To match their depth, I'd like to see them run the three centers down the middle and give them wingers that compliment them. We should be able to showcase our depth by having three lines that can score. I'd even consider using Henrique as a winger. Something like the following could work:

Hyman-McDavid-Henrique
Podkolzin-Draisaitl-Kane
J.Skinner-RNH-Kapanen/Arvy

Also, hope the special teams gets some practice and we see good Skinner.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

Oilers need to keep the mentality they’ve had, never give up. They came back from 0-3, never ever quit no matter what the score or the series says.

 

[9GWG9]

Kane getting a penalty and Duchene not getting a coincidental for his over the top embellishment was ridiculous. Pathetic little twerp.

Don't forget that the POS Duchene also scored on the powerplay that he embellished on.

Talk about embarrassing the refs. Same thing happened early in the Veg series and they started leaning our way. Glad the Nuge was chirping him on the draw before they scored. Hockey gods will notice!

 

[McHelpus]

Damn man that loss is demoralizing. It will give Dallas hope that they can can come back on any lead.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Damn man that loss is demoralizing. It will give Dallas hope that they can can come back on any lead.

The trouble is this is a thing. Plus that Dallas are good at scoring in bushels. Its how they tend to score, a bunch in one period.

The Oilers had that mentally over Vegas and LA early in those series. The Oilers comebacks being the thing. It takes the moxy from an opponent and the confidence no matter what lead they have.

Suddenly the Oilers are playing a club with umbrage, that we beat last time, and they really want this.

The main plus Oilers had coming into series was so many Dallas players not scoring. Well, they popped a ton, 4 guys got scoring. They have more that can.

The Stars were very frustrated in 2nd period. you could see it on the bench. Oilers had played the game you want to play in game one on the road. The pk was great until Skinner lets in a sifter from the point that he didn't even bother to look for. When you're on the road a goal like that amps the opponent, it amps the crowd, its new game on at that point.

I'll repeat that Oilers only gave up 8SOG on Skinner in third. It wasn't some monumental collapse. It was Skinner not stopping anything. One of the Dallas shots was a dump from outside the zone. Meaning that Skinner made about 3 saves in the period while letting 4 in. Fault finding is pretty clear.

 

[bone]

I'm not going to get into a convo about Stu. Every player on that team fell into that quicksand in that 6 minute segment, Stu included. No one did what they needed to do.

I will check in to say, what the f*** was going on with the defensive deployment last night. The pairs from Game 4 and 5 were on fire again yesterday then they start messing around. The fancies show up to be:

2/27 - 95.36% xGF in 10:22 at 5 on 5
96/36 - 74.05% xGF in 11:57 at 5 on 5 (granted they had a GA)
25/51 - 72.84% xGF in 10:19 at 5 on 5.

But Coffey started messing with them and the results weren't pretty
25/2 - 18.37%xGF over 3:16
25/36 - 13.10%xGF over 3:37
25/27 - 18.79%xGF over 2:52
27/51 - 16.90%xGF over 3:18

If something's working quit trying to "fix it".

 

[The Trash Man]

What or who is an Inchallah?

This is what I imagine

 

[K1984]

I'm not going to get into a convo about Stu. Every player on that team fell into that quicksand in that 6 minute segment, Stu included. No one did what they needed to do.

I will check in to say, what the f*** was going on with the defensive deployment last night. The pairs from Game 4 and 5 were on fire again yesterday then they start messing around. The fancies show up to be:

2/27 - 95.36% xGF in 10:22 at 5 on 5
96/36 - 74.05% xGF in 11:57 at 5 on 5 (granted they had a GA)
25/51 - 72.84% xGF in 10:19 at 5 on 5.

But Coffey started messing with them and the results weren't pretty
25/2 - 18.37%xGF over 3:16
25/36 - 13.10%xGF over 3:37
25/27 - 18.79%xGF over 2:52
27/51 - 16.90%xGF over 3:18

If something's working quit trying to "fix it".

If they simply deploy Nurse in a bottom pair role with Stecher it will solve a lot of problems, but they just won't.

 

[bone]

If they simply deploy Nurse in a bottom pair role with Stecher it will solve a lot of problems, but they just won't.

It's funny though. When they do so, it works, but they always end up getting an itchy trigger finger because Nurse actually looks competent when paired with Stetcher so they hope it translates into his game in other pairs, and as soon as they try it, bad things start to happen again.

 

[Little Fury]

Can't believe Tyrese Haliburton watched the Oilers game.

The Stars were very frustrated in 2nd period. you could see it on the bench. Oilers had played the game you want to play in game one on the road. The pk was great until Skinner lets in a sifter from the point that he didn't even bother to look for. When your on the road a goal like that amps the opponent, it amps the crowd, its new game on at that point.

I'm a certified Skinner hater(tm) but I dunno how you can blame him for not seeing that point shot through four sets of bodies in front. that thing had eyes. The next two were much more on him (that's when I turned that shit off lol)

 

[McHelpus]

The trouble is this is a thing. Plus that Dallas are good at scoring in bushels. Its how they tend to score, a bunch in one period.

The Oilers had that mentally over Vegas and LA early in those series. The Oilers comebacks being the thing. It takes the moxy from an opponent and the confidence no matter what lead they have.

Suddenly the Oilers are playing a club with umbrage, that we beat last time, and they really want this.

The main plus Oilers had coming into series was so many Dallas players not scoring. Well, they popped a ton, 4 guys got scoring. They have more that can.

The Stars were very frustrated in 2nd period. you could see it on the bench. Oilers had played the game you want to play in game one on the road. The pk was great until Skinner lets in a sifter from the point that he didn't even bother to look for. When your on the road a goal like that amps the opponent, it amps the crowd, its new game on at that point.

I'll repeat that Oilers only gave up 8SOG on Skinner in third. It wasn't some monumental collapse. It was Skinner not stopping anything. One of the Dallas shots was a dump from outside the zone. Meaning that Skinner made about 3 saves in the period while letting 4 in. Fault finding is pretty clear.

The best Pker is the goalie. As soon as he heard those Skinner chants its like he shut down. I personally don't rewatch highlights from the games we lost, but the last time we had a period like that it was game 1/2 of the Kings.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Oilers need to keep the mentality they’ve had, never give up. They came back from 0-3, never ever quit no matter what the score or the series says.

They never quit but we are finding out just last night that Stu thinks he needs to work on fighting through traffic and his competitiveness so there's that little boat anchor weighing us down.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

They never quit but we are finding out just last night that Stu thinks he needs to work on fighting through traffic and his competitiveness so there's that little boat anchor weighing us down.

The good thing about this group is the are well aware of this and continue to push forward without a hint of quit.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Can't believe Tyrese Haliburton watched the Oilers game.

I'm a certified Skinner hater(tm) but I dunno how you can blame him for not seeing that point shot through four sets of bodies in front. that thing had eyes. The next two were much more on him (that's when I turned that shit off lol)

Even Skinner blames Skinner on that first PP goal. He even said all he had to do is look to the right and he could've seen it. Its in the postgame. He says he needs to be more competitive. That when Dallas are putting a screen down he needs to work around it to take a look. He never attempted. You can see his face it almost in Marchments ass. I guess you can try to defend that. I don't know how. Not even the culprit is and he usually explains away the GA.

The reason I blame Skinner specifically on the 2nd Dallas goal is that the same point shot happened in the first period, and luckily it hit knob of stick instead of going in and Skinner never looked around screen on that either. He doesn't even move to look around. That play happened twice and it was very nearly 2 GA.

in the game 3X Skinners D also stopped pucks from going in. This all in the same game in addition to all the shit he let in. I know you're not absolving him. just saying.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Can't believe Tyrese Haliburton watched the Oilers game.

I'm a certified Skinner hater(tm) but I dunno how you can blame him for not seeing that point shot through four sets of bodies in front. that thing had eyes. The next two were much more on him (that's when I turned that shit off lol)

The problem is he doesn't even try to look around the screen, whack the offender in the ankles, tell Nurse "Get out of the f***ing way and take the guy screening me with you" He just stands there like an idiot doing nothing. By his own admission he says he needs to be more competitive and work on his traffic game. I wonder if Bowman knew that little tidbit of information before saying our goaltending wasnt an issue.

If there was ever a black and white reason to fire Dustbin into the f***ing sun, it is right there.

Skinner can be traded to San Jose or someplace where nobody GAF about hockey so he can work on himself and his competitiveness and take his goalie coach with him.

 

[Niten Ichi Ryu]

Last 7 playoff series
Skinner games one to three: 4-9
Skinner game four to seven: 11-1 (SCF game 7 only loss)

Don't make it complicated, sometimes the best path is the straight line. Sit him until game 4. At this point, a rookie goaltender with one regulars season game NHL experience, would be an upgrade on Games 1-3 version of Stuart Skinner

I was advocating for him to start in game 4 vs Vegas, after that game 3 0.4s debacle, and people here fried the sht out of me. He then proceeds to get back to back shutouts. He's a completely different player in the latter half of any playoff series. At this point, it's just a fact, the way it is, and we have to adapt to it

I'm back on the 'Fck Stuart Skinner' boat, strictly because of his attitude post game. Zero accountability, instead of taking the heat himself he says 'you can't be doing that' (about the penalties) and attempt to divert the blame to his teammates who are sacrificing themselves with no padding, for a goalie they have zero confidence in. He's a turd because of that smug attitude, and I cannot wait until we have a new starter next season

All that being said, like last year, Oilers will still advance in spite of having the worst goaltender in the playoffs. I just hope Pickard is 100% sooner than later

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

The good thing about this group is the are well aware of this and continue to push forward without a hint of quit.

Imagine if we even had a league average goalie. We would have 1 cup by now, maybe 2.

Oh forgot about Stubborn Woodcock. Just 1 cup. But it would have been a glorious cup win.

 

[Oilhawks]

Man I take comfort in the certainty that if Stu doesn’t get this job done there will be someone different in that net next year.

I hope you’re right. But the media, coaching and management narrative is that all is well with goaltending in Oilerland

Even winning the Cup, I want to see a new starter. They need someone with some consistency

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Man I take comfort in the certainty that if Stu doesn’t get this job done there will be someone different in that net next year.

You must be new here.

 

[Mr Positive]

Even Skinner blames Skinner on that first PP goal. He even said all he had to do is look to the right and he could've seen it. Its in the postgame. He says he needs to be more competitive. That when Dallas are putting a screen down he needs to work around it to take a look. He never attempted. You can see his face it almost in Marchments ass. I guess you can try to defend that. I don't know how. Not even the culprit is and he usually explains away the GA.

The competitive point really applies to that scramble goal against where he took forever to get to that right post. It didn't look like he fought very hard there. Even if you think there might be a goalie interference case you can't just sit there.

And that is a big weakness of his. When he gets down out of position he stays there too long.

But Skinner is our guy and he has played well for stretches. He can work on getting better, but the bigger issue is special teams. If we don't figure that out, we are toast even with good goaltending

 

[Drivesaitl]

They never quit but we are finding out just last night that Stu thinks he needs to work on fighting through traffic and his competitiveness so there's that little boat anchor weighing us down.

So how did Skinner fail to learn after the first shot from the point, same play that beat him in the third, luckily hit the knob of his stick.

I'm saying any normal goalie is going "shit I got lucky" Skinner, its "wow I stopped that, I didn't even see it"

He thinks he's got some kind of magic wherein if he doesn't look at a point shot it can't go in. Like a 4yr old that covers his face at bedtime and thinks mom and dad can't see him trying to hide...

See no evil=No goals. Skinner theory.

4th goal. "I''l just turn my back and look the other way. Shit that didn't work either.


Its a f***ing horror movie.

 

[Oilhawks]

Damn man that loss is demoralizing. It will give Dallas hope that they can can come back on any lead.

To be fair, it’s not the first time they’ve shit away a lead this playoffs and both teams have come back to win. Either team should feel this way. This will likely be a long series

 

[McJC]

If Frederic scored instead of whiffing on the puck when he was open. It could have been a different game. He brings so little it's disappointing.

Wtf was that... not talked about nearly enough. Could've tied the game there

 

[TB12]

They never quit but we are finding out just last night that Stu thinks he needs to work on fighting through traffic and his competitiveness so there's that little boat anchor weighing us down.

I cannot believe those were things that were actually said. You lost the Cup final in 7 last year. You lost your net to your backup. You just lost game 1. And you need to work on "competitiveness"? Fuuuuuuck me, this guy does not seem to have the mentality of a pro athlete.

 

[soothsayer]

The Oilers so thoroughly dominated the Stars 5v5 that I am very confident they take this series, maybe even in 5. The Oilers are going to shred Dallas once they get the matchups at home. If they can take tomorrow's victory, it's going to be over for Dallas.

But I said before this series started that the Stars's path to victory is through special teams. The Oilers PK, including Skinner, were markedly worse than I could have imagined. That PK was so bad, the Oilers only hope may be to avoid taking penalties at all costs. Maybe Ekholm stabilizes it, but it is so bad, at such a critical time, that this is virtually a fireable offense for whoever runs the PK. It has been that bad.