Post-Game Talk: Game #2 Pens vs Wings: Much better game

[Tom Hanks]

Also are people mad about this game or something? What am I missing? For HF standards this place seems downright jubilant.

HF Pens after a win:

HF Pens after a loss:

 

[SEALBound]

Tale of two game.

The Rangers are really good and we sucked. Jarry in net and the line combos weren't hitting. 6-0 thrashing

The Red Wings are a playoff bubble team like us. We fixed some line issues and Blomqvist was in net. 6-3.

It's tough to know who the real Penguins are at the moment. I thought nearly EVERYONE looked better last night but were they actually or was it that Detroit isn't as good?

Saturday's game against the Leafs will be interesting.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

HF Pens after a win:

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Me IRL pretty much all the time

 

[pistolpete11]

A goalie making saves? A PPG? A G from L4?

Is this real life?

 

[HandshakeLine]

Guys I have to admit I'm still laughing a little bit days later over Seth Rowsdower getting Mike Matheson to come in and say something nice about Mike Sullivan for his article and he was like "he speaks in complete sentences."

ngl, it's one of those backhand compliments I wish I thought up.

 

[TooManyHumans]

Blomgvist kept them in it until they got their game going. Jarry in net and that game is over after the first 10 minutes.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

The last 5 games, he won though he gave up 5 goals (OT vs. Detroit 6-5), was pulled vs. Boston after giving up 3 on 16 shots, and was only above .900 once and he had 2 wins out of 5. Losing the final game 5-4 April 17 which also matches his previous loss to the Isanders Feb. 20th also 5-4.

Ned was historically just as bad though having a winning record. Of his 38 games played he gave up 3 or more goals 21 times.

None of that refutes what I said.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

ngl, it's one of those backhand compliments I wish I thought up.

Wish they would have kept Math

 

[Ugene Magic]

I do think Malkin will be underrated historically when it's all said and done. But I think suggesting that he was on the a similar level to Joe Sakic is very fair for him.


The Pens intermission gang talked about something that I think is valid here - while they didn't name Jarry specifically, they talked about how deflating a soft goal can be for the bench. You battle, you make the saves, the team is doing well...and then a soft one is let in and the team deflates. They were indicating that Blomqvist was NOT doing that which I think is very fair. I don't remember Neds letting too many soft goals that just deflated the team.

Unfortunately, Jarry has played himself into an area that will be VERY difficult to get out of. I posted about this a couple days ago. It doesn't matter if the game is 1-1 and you're posting a .975 sv%, if you let in the soft goal late in the third and the team losing 2-1, no one gives a shit about the awesome stats. If you're battling in a 6-6 game and running a 0.825 sv% but you make the key save late in the third and the team wins 7-6, no one gives a shit about the crappy stats. We are sooooooooooooooooo f***ing far past stat watching with Jarry that it's near meaningless. Jarry needs to give this team the opportunity to win EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. And going back well into last year, I would say he has NOT done that with any level of consistency that should be expected out of a "starting goalie" making $5.25mil. Neds, however, did, which is why he was the starter down the stretch. Blomqvist did last night.

In every game, we know the goals that are the goalie's fault and which are not. I didn't blame Blomqvist for the rocket Tarasanko sent over his shoulder, and I wouldn't have blamed Jarry either. Sometimes, high-quality forwards just fire lasers into the net. It's part of the game. On the 5 on 3, Blomqvist battled HARD and made several saves before succumbing. It's not his fault, and I wouldn't have faulted Jarry either; however, I have SEVERE doubts as to whether or not Jarry would have survived the same amount of time Blomqvist just did.

The fact of the matter is, every game, any given team will put 30+ shots on our goalie. When it comes down to it, that means 30+ different times where the forwards and defense failed to control the puck and defend. But that's part of the game. That is going to happen. The argument of "well, it's not Jarry's fault because the team in front of him allowed the other team to shoot the puck" is absolute hogwash. The goalie's job is to stop the puck. Period. Shots from the other team will happen 30+ times a game. They need to stop them in order for the team to win. Nickel and diming the defense is a weak argument to cover for poor goalie performance.

All fair, but not every team is the same and some are just the Pens Kryptonite.

People say the team doesn't trust Jarry, but how can Jarry trust such a bad defensive team in front of him? The game against the NYR's was game #1 and having that trust worthy thought then is ludacris. Especially when blaming the goalie for things out of his control. Those are not Jarry faults, that's a team as a whole issue.

I mean, what goalie is going to come in and trust this defensively challenged team?

The thing is "TRUST" works both ways. Who fails who more?

If you answer the the goalie you wouldn't be just wrong, you'd handedly be wrong.

Behind every great goalie there's a good team surrounding him in front. I think we can all agree this teams flawed and it really shows against the much better teams in the league.

 

[Coastal Kev]

HF Pens after a win:

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HF Pens after a loss:

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Yup.... very good fans!

 

[Coastal Kev]

Wish they would have kept Math

Agreed...

 

[Gurglesons]

Or the team just plays horribly bad defensively for 3 periods and leaves him out to dry too much all while never scoring a single goal.

It's like you all ignore the games play to just dump on Jarry.

1. His first given up was tipped in front. Nobody was stopping that.
2. He was stuck between because Petts goes down of a possible pass and great keep and shot from Alex.
3. How many saves is he supposed to make? He made 4 out of 5 in 19 seconds. Kreider left alone in front.

You can't make this stuff up, but it's all Jarry's fault.

I expect him to make 5 saves without a goal to start a game. He’s paid 5.75 million.

Making a difficult save isn’t impossible. If goalies got scored on no matter what, the league would be very different.

 

[K Fleur]

That Hayes goal was some skill too.

I skipped most of the game but the highlights looked like it was a fun one.

 

[Malkinstheman]

I expect him to make 5 saves without a goal to start a game. He’s paid 5.75 million.

Making a difficult save isn’t impossible. If goalies got scored on no matter what, the league would be very different.

Actually its 5.375

 

[SEALBound]

HFBoards is less indicative of how a fan base feels than how miserable alcoholic perverts feel

98% of the fan base is going “yay win, lots of goals, Geno had a beautiful assist! I like it when the Pens win ” this morning

That 98% actually leaves mom's basement the day after though.

All fair, but not every team is the same and some are just the Pens Kryptonite.

People say the team doesn't trust Jarry, but how can Jarry trust such a bad defensive team in front of him? The game against the NYR's was game #1 and having that trust worthy thought then is ludacris. Especially when blaming the goalie for things out of his control. Those are not Jarry faults, that's a team as a whole issue.

I mean, what goalie is going to come in and trust this defensively challenged team?

The thing is "TRUST" works both ways. Who fails who more?

If you answer the the goalie you wouldn't be just wrong, you'd handedly be wrong.

Behind every great goalie there's a good team surrounding him in front. I think we can all agree this teams flawed and it really shows against the much better teams in the league.

Trust is earned though. I don't think Jarry is in a position to argue "trust" in any meaningful capacity. As a goalie, at some point, you WILL have to make a save after a defensive lapse. That's just the way it is. And when the team gives up standard shots, you will be expected to save them (or at least most of them). Jarry, as a whole, hasn't really done that. Swayman can ride that line with the team in front of him. So can Vasi and Shesty. Jarry? Lol, no.

Like I said, Jarry's current situation is tough to get out of. The only way he gets out of it is if he consistently outplays expectations and consistently over-delivers. More importantly, he needs to make the arbitrarily defined save at key moments of the game. You want to build trust with the team in front of you so that you can chew on their ear a bit when they f*** up? Starting making key saves where the team goes "whoa, the turning point in the game was when Jarsy made that save and we went down and scored!" Not once. Multiple times.

Right now, at best, Jarry is 2015 MAF without the smile and personality.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I dunno. I guess I just think it's a bit of a silly debate. This isn't some new guy that we haven't given a fair shake to, here. Tristan Jarry has been around for years and the same problems keep cropping up. This isn't some witch hunt it's established fact.

At some point you just cannot keep making excuses for someone if the same mistakes/issues become a consistent pattern.

 

[Darren McCord]

I dunno. I guess I just think it's a bit of a silly debate. This isn't some new guy that we haven't given a fair shake to, here. Tristan Jarry has been around for years and the same problems keep cropping up. This isn't some witch hunt it's established fact.

At some point you just cannot keep making excuses for someone if the same mistakes/issues become a consistent pattern.

Ya Jarry played his first game almost a decade ago with the penguins in the 2016-2017 season. He isn't about to suddenly change his game. He will be 30 by seasons ends.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Ya Jarry played his first game almost a decade ago with the penguins in the 2016-2017 season. He isn't about to suddenly change his game. He will be 30 by seasons ends.

I can't even hate on him a ton... he's a goaltender, after all. You know... an airhead. So it just sorta is what it is with this position. I just don't like paying one of them a fat contract (relative to the position) to do something I can pay some AHLer a fifth of to do the same work. And that's kinda Jarry's thing... ultimately getting outplayed by his supposedly AHL level backup.

It's just like... what's the point? Plus it sure seems to me that the team doesn't play with much swagger in front of him. Frankly I find it really odd that we are sitting here with him still the starter and on the team after how last year ended.

 

[Jdodd]

Glass, Grezlyk, and Beavillier all played well tonight. Blomquist saved our ass in the 1st period. This team and lineup plays much better vs an average skating team.
When we are healthy we need to play guys based on our opponents. As in speed and rush teams like the Rangers we need to sit the Hayes’ and play the Lizottes.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

People have this weird sunk cost fallacy thing with players where they're like "oh god imagine if he did well somewhere else?" Who cares? He sucks shit *on this team*. Let some other team try to sort out his injury, consistency, and attitude problems.

-edit- This is no longer a team that needs to hang on to guys aside from franchise legends who want to stick around. What's Jarry do for a team fighting tooth and nail to remain in the WC discussion? What about moving forward? Again, who gives a shit about Tristian Jarry?

 

[Darren McCord]

I can't even hate on him a ton... he's a goaltender, after all. You know... an airhead. So it just sorta is what it is with this position. I just don't like paying one of them a fat contract (relative to the position) to do something I can pay some AHLer a fifth of to do the same work. And that's kinda Jarry's thing... ultimately getting outplayed by his supposedly AHL level backup.

It's just like... what's the point? Plus it sure seems to me that the team doesn't play with much swagger in front of him. Frankly I find it really odd that we are sitting here with him still the starter and on the team after how last year ended.

Honestly whatever with his contract. Look at what Daccord just got.

Avg Starting goalies are all going to be making 5-6 consistently soon. Good starters 7+ Swaymans deal will look like a bargain in 3 years. Jarry is about to be paid in the bottom half of starting goalies and will most likely become more tradable by seasons end.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Honestly whatever with his contract. Look at what Daccord just got.

Avg Starting goalies are all going to be making 5-6 consistently soon. Good starters 7+ Swaymans deal will look like a bargain in 3 years. Jarry is about to be paid in the bottom half of starting goalies and will most likely become more tradable by seasons end.

Well... then I guess that's on the league GMs to learn from their mistakes all over again.

You don't pay this position. One big money goaltender finally winning one doesn't really change my mind on that.

It WOULD be nice if the side effect is that Jarry's deal looks more palatable. But we'll see.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Me IRL pretty much all the time

Sounds like you need a hug pug

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Sounds like you need a hug pug

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I promise if you give me a hug I won't half recoil and shoot you a look like you're some disgusting alien creature waving it's slimy tentacles at me like Sullivan did to Geno after last game lol

 

[Darren McCord]

Well... then I guess that's on the league GMs to learn from their mistakes all over again.

You don't pay this position. One big money goaltender finally winning one doesn't really change my mind on that.

It WOULD be nice if the side effect is that Jarry's deal looks more palatable. But we'll see.

You do. You have to pay. Ya goalies are Vodoo sure whatever but you still pay them especially the good ones. Fleury was bad for a bunch of years sure but he was exactly what they needed for the cups when they needed him. He was highly paid during that time too.

Not all teams are Vegas, Chicago and Colorado. Tampa, and the Kings, Florida go nowhere without there goalies.