Post-Game Talk: GAME 16 - Advantage Linus - Ottawa 3 BRUINS 2 OT

GordonHowe

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With how the cap is generally in the NHL, it’s so hard to make a trade vs 20 years ago. So this is the roster unless they go out on a limb and make a move. But half the team has no trade clauses, so that leads to Monty getting the boot. If that happens I have a hard time believing whomever takes over can turn this around. It’s a poor roster with too many of the same type forwards (I'm inrd in I'm in my and 4th liners), little offence and a D that look like the keystone cops at times. LY our goalies bailed us out more than we realized I think.

With how the cap is generally in the NHL, it’s so hard to make a trade vs 20 years ago. So this is the roster unless they go out on a limb and make a move. But half the team has no trade clauses, so that leads to Monty getting the boot. If that happens I have a hard time believing whomever takes over can turn this around. It’s a poor roster with too many of the same type forwards (3rd and 4th liners), little offence and a D that look like the keystone cops at times. LY our goalies bailed us out more than we realized I think.

As you say, multiple, previously uncharacteristic problems cannot be resolved via trade.

Not least because at this point you would have to trade 80% of the roster.

They need scoring. That should and likely will be addressed at a later date.

As noted previously, you can blame management and, in particular, the players for the ugly circumstance they find themselves in. Both have played their part in what appears to be a train wreck on several levels.

However, I repeat:

*All* of Boston's present woes can be largely laid at the unhappy feet of Jim Montgomery.

Myriad Issues plaguing the club have been obvious or incipient from the beginning of Montgomery's tenure.

If you - if *anyone* - can explain Montgomery's defensive system, structure, scheme or plan, I would very much like to know what it is.

In the event, it is impossible to do so because under Jim Montgomery, there is no defensive system, structure, scheme or plan.

There never has been.

Montgomery's defensive "philosophy," to the degree he has one, is predicated on quick transition out of the zone.

The premise seems to be that if you can beat your opponent to the puck, win & maintain possession of it, and move into the offensive zone, there will be little defending to do.

The best defense is offense, in other words.

Remember, as a coach Jim Montgomery has never had a defense first mentality.

Rather, the opposite.

He has always been primarily concerned with creating offense.

When restricted exclusively to producing offensive results, as he was as an assistant coach in St. Louis, Montgomery has proven a valuable asset capable of great success.

Yet for the thousandth time, I assert that, at present, tactically & strategically, he is not a competent NHL head coach.

A deserving sacrifical lamb, Montgomery will meet his end soon enough.

*Then what?*
 
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Gordoff

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As you say, multiple, previously uncharacteristic problems cannot be resolved via trade.

Not least because at this point you would have to trade 80% of the roster.

They need scoring. That should and likely will be addressed at a later date.

As noted previously, you can blame management and, in particular, the players for the ugly circumstance they find themselves in. Both have played their part in what appears to be a train wreck on several levels.

However, I repeat:

*All* of Boston's present woes can be largely laid at the unhappy feet of Jim Montgomery.

Myriad Issues plaguing the club have been obvious or incipient from the beginning of Montgomery's tenure.

If you - if *anyone* - can explain Montgomery's defensive system, structure, scheme or plan, I would very much like to know what it is.

In the event, it is impossible to do so because under Jim Montgomery, there is no defensive system, structure, scheme or plan.

There never has been.

Montgomery's defensive "philosophy," to the degree he has one, is predicated on quick transition out of the zone.

The premise seems to be that if you can beat your opponent to the puck, win & maintain possession of it, and move into the offensive zone, there will be little defending to do.

The best defense is offense, in other words.

Remember, as a coach Jim Montgomery has never had a defense first mentality.

Rather, the opposite.

He has always been primarily concerned with creating offense.

When restricted exclusively to producing offensive results, as he was an assistant coach in St. Louis, Montgomery has proven a valuable asset capable of great success.

Yet for the thousandth time, I assert that, at present, tactically & strategically, he is not a competent NHL head coach.

A deserving sacrifical lamb, Montgomery will meet his end soon enough.

*Then what?*
"Then what?" Retread time!
 

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The end result aside, the game didn't disappoint, as Ullmark vs. Swayman goes to overtime. After twiddling his thumbs for forty minutes, Ullmark makes a Vezina-caliber save on a 2-on-1, and Brady Tkachuk beats Swayman clean on the ensuing rush.

Loved Fenway's thread title: Advantage Ullmark.

I've watched a good number of out of town games in this young season, and as mediocre as the Bruins have been, that's the league norm, with a few exceptions.

Most teams have question marks in their top six, and most bottom pairing D's are inexperienced.

So it's a fine line between winning and losing.

I don't know that making a trade or firing the coach will get the B's on course, but fixing the special teams will. For all the B's struggles, they are .500. If they they had either a functioning PP and/or PK, they'd be much better off in the standings.
 

bobbyorr04

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Tired of this blame game
Somebody has to take the blame for these boring, lacklustre efforts

..and since they can't fire the whole team..

the buck stops here....
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ON3M4N

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They are on play off spot while playing poorly.
Bs will be fine. But Monty might be this seasons Woodcock.

They're in a playoff spot but every team behind them in the division has games in hand. The Bruins have the 2nd worst goal differential at -12 within the division. Its very hard to make the playoffs while sporting a negative goal differential. How difficult....over the last 3 seasons only 4% of teams that make the playoffs have had a negative goal differential.
 

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Don’t understand what they are doing ?

they are way to good to be playing like this

apologies to everyone who says they suck

Hockey is my third sport
My guess is the chemistry is off. IMO too much changing the lines. Players are NOT responding well. They all look unhappy. I have seen some good plays of late and know these guys are a better team than they have looked.

Also, defense has always been the Bs thing. Fix the d and the rest will get better.

I think Brad is a great captain. I am concerned about the coaching.
 

ae530

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I would say it was more a case that Boston could barely get the puck into the Ottawa zone with possession or win a foot race for a dumped in puck. When they did get in, Ottawa just pushed everything to the perimeter and blocked their weak shot attempts.

Supposed to be this big strong forward group and yet can't seem to gain inside position with any consistency.
 

Dennis Bonvie

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As you say, multiple, previously uncharacteristic problems cannot be resolved via trade.

Not least because at this point you would have to trade 80% of the roster.

They need scoring. That should and likely will be addressed at a later date.

As noted previously, you can blame management and, in particular, the players for the ugly circumstance they find themselves in. Both have played their part in what appears to be a train wreck on several levels.

However, I repeat:

*All* of Boston's present woes can be largely laid at the unhappy feet of Jim Montgomery.

Myriad Issues plaguing the club have been obvious or incipient from the beginning of Montgomery's tenure.

If you - if *anyone* - can explain Montgomery's defensive system, structure, scheme or plan, I would very much like to know what it is.

In the event, it is impossible to do so because under Jim Montgomery, there is no defensive system, structure, scheme or plan.

There never has been.

Montgomery's defensive "philosophy," to the degree he has one, is predicated on quick transition out of the zone.

The premise seems to be that if you can beat your opponent to the puck, win & maintain possession of it, and move into the offensive zone, there will be little defending to do.

The best defense is offense, in other words.

Remember, as a coach Jim Montgomery has never had a defense first mentality.

Rather, the opposite.

He has always been primarily concerned with creating offense.

When restricted exclusively to producing offensive results, as he was as an assistant coach in St. Louis, Montgomery has proven a valuable asset capable of great success.

Yet for the thousandth time, I assert that, at present, tactically & strategically, he is not a competent NHL head coach.

A deserving sacrifical lamb, Montgomery will meet his end soon enough.

*Then what?*

Pretty sure that every NHL team has a defensive system.

294-179-82 as an incompetent NHL coach. That's a winning percentage of .663. With Boston its .722.
 

ae530

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I would say it was more a case that Boston could barely get the puck into the Ottawa zone with possession or win a foot race for a dumped in puck. When they did get in, Ottawa just pushed everything to the perimeter and blocked their weak shot attempts.

Supposed to be this big strong forward group and yet can't seem to gain inside position with any consistency.
Team seems to be out of shape and by that I mean hockey playing shape. Too many games so far this season they have ran out of gas midway through the second period and onto the third
 

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In my view, Sacco is certainly not the answer. It's an open question as to whether Leach would be much better, though I suspect so.

Who are your top five candidates?
I am not even sure who would be a good coach for this team right now because this team consistently doesn't show up for the entire game. Any coach that will show emotion, hold ALL players accountable and also have their back when refs are getting stupid would be nice.

I'm really not a big fan of changing the lines every 2 games either. More importantly the PK/PP need a fresh set of ideas and eyes.
 

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Don’t understand what they are doing ?

they are way to good to be playing like this

apologies to everyone who says they suck

Hockey is my third sport
I think they overperformed last year, relative to the roster "on paper".

This year they are clearly underperforming.

Seems they should be somewhere in the middle -- question is where. IMO there's a pretty wide gap between the over and under performing.

Don't know the fix but, if over the next 3 to 4 years, we trade a 1st or 2nd rounder and it's not for a slam dunk winner then I'll go nuts. Right the ship, see how it plays out, but restock.
 

DKH

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I think they overperformed last year, relative to the roster "on paper".

This year they are clearly underperforming.

Seems they should be somewhere in the middle -- question is where. IMO there's a pretty wide gap between the over and under performing.

Don't know the fix but, if over the next 3 to 4 years, we trade a 1st or 2nd rounder and it's not for a slam dunk winner then I'll go nuts. Right the ship, see how it plays out, but restock.
I still think this roster is floor a good team (high 90’s) to very good (100-110)

It’s a relationship game

Sweeney is doing everything to see if they can get it going - he knows they don’t despise him at all. He’s a very smart hockey coach.

They have 7 points last 5 games, some great moments, some really troubling

Lack of passion way to much

Don’t see trading 1 unless this February and they are a playoff spot and for 25 draft and player is RFA skilled F top 6 winger
 
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DKH

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My guess is the chemistry is off. IMO too much changing the lines. Players are NOT responding well. They all look unhappy. I have seen some good plays of late and know these guys are a better team than they have looked.

Also, defense has always been the Bs thing. Fix the d and the rest will get better.

I think Brad is a great captain. I am concerned about the coaching.
I’m very surprised he’s coaching right now - probably because teams aren’t running away with it in their division

When Cassidy was about to get fired in late November 2022 but got covid - Sacco took over and they played well especially on West Coast trip.

Covid shutdown right before Christmas saved Bruce

Players played way harder for Sacco who they like and respected over Cassidy who they were sick of his Uber negative grumpy demeanor

Once Chara & Krug left he was unbearable

Had they won game 7 v Blues I have no doubt Cassidy is still here and a superstar

That loss ruined me - my one objective a Cup won at home with my daughter - and Bruce’s goal and dream was that game

Bothers me to this day

If that's the case (which I also thought was the problem at the start of the season)

..who's mostly responsible for that??
They didn’t look out of shape in the Calgary or Seattle games from ice level

100% disagree here
 

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My guess is the chemistry is off. IMO too much changing the lines. Players are NOT responding well. They all look unhappy. I have seen some good plays of late and know these guys are a better team than they have looked.

Also, defense has always been the Bs thing. Fix the d and the rest will get better.

I think Brad is a great captain. I am concerned about the coaching.
Coaching is a concern. I agree with " not happy" point, and I do not want to be a conspirator, I don't like that, but do you think, and I do not believe either player would say it might it might have slipped into their head, what the hell did we do wrong, last year when asked to step and increase their roles on this team . I am talking about Coyle and Zacha, both career years and being replaced by a guy that was not as productive as they were, and was playing third, and now gets a big contract, and is older. just saying that's all.
 
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From practice today, seems like:

Poitras getting scratched
Geekie on a line with Zacha and Pastrnak
H. Lindholm replacing McAvoy on the 1st PP unit
1/3 isn’t the worst.

Actually I wonder if Geekie has learned anything watching from a distance. Not opposed to putting him back and seeing what happens.
 

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