GDT: Game 14: Columbus vs. Washington | 11/15 7PM

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What a snipe by Atkinson.:handclap: Also good job by Dubinsky on the faceoff. I think he kicked it to Cam.

Also, glad Werenski is getting praise by the other teams announcers.
 

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This team loves to scrape together points sometimes. I love it. That's what gets you into the playoffs.
 

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Jackets showed some fight like I havent ever seen. Pretty impressed on how they attacked for a full period looking for the tying goal.
 

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Once again, the team is a heck of a lot better when they are aggressive than when they're sitting back.
 

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What is going on with the Western Conference?

We have the 11th best record in the league and 9th best in the East. The West must have gotten trounced in inner league matchups so far.
 

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Doesn't matter. Offsides should not be reviewable at all. You can't rewind the game like that over something so insignificant to the "hockey play". The purpose of offsides is to keep them from cherrypicking. They didn't. So there's nothing worth reviewing.

Eh, you can't win either way. If we lost a playoff series because someone scored on an offside play then people here would be pretty ******, especially when it was so obvious.
 

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Eh, you can't win either way. If we lost a playoff series because someone scored on an offside play then people here would be pretty ******, especially when it was so obvious.

Not me, it didn't affect the hockey play.
 

Zarathustra

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Not me, it didn't affect the hockey play.

Where do you draw the line. Did Duchene's goal a few years ago affect "the hockey play"?


Does six inches affect the hockey play? 12? 16? Did Hull's foot in the crease for a second affect "the hockey play"?


I kind of like the rule as long as it's obvious. I don't like it when they review it for 10 minutes looking at a few centimeters. But when you're 6-12 inches offside, then "the hockey play" is an illegal one.
 

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That slow-mo of Dubisnky getting hit by the puck. Ouch.

Also, can you imagine how.many goals over the years would have been negated under the current system?
 

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Is Ryan Murray afraid to shoot? I know he has missed some time due to injuries but he only has 5 SOG for the whole season.
 

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Where do you draw the line. Did Duchene's goal a few years ago affect "the hockey play"?


Does six inches affect the hockey play? 12? 16? Did Hull's foot in the crease for a second affect "the hockey play"?


I kind of like the rule as long as it's obvious. I don't like it when they review it for 10 minutes looking at a few centimeters. But when you're 6-12 inches offside, then "the hockey play" is an illegal one.

If the linesmen can't tell, that's sufficient for me to conclude it doesn't affect the hockey play.

Cherrypicking is what the rule is intended to prevent, so as long as they can't do that then it's fine.
 

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If the linesmen can't tell, that's sufficient for me to conclude it doesn't affect the hockey play.

Cherrypicking is what the rule is intended to prevent, so as long as they can't do that then it's fine.

First of all, the intention of the rule doesn't particular matter. What matters is the effect. If it's illegal to cross the blueline before the puck, then it's illegal to do so regardless of the intention, or subjective interpretation of the play. If a defender successfully dislodges a puck from possession of another player and that player skates over the blueline, recovers the puck while their offside, then why reward the forward for achieving an illegal play and the defender for a legal one?

Linesmen didn't notice Duchene skating offside. You're saying that's a perfectly fine hockey play?


Refs don't notice the puck off the netting sometimes , miss penalties, etc. People are fallible. You're essentially arguing nothing should be reviewed. If the refs and linesmen don't see the puck go off the netting, the goalie being interfered with, the play being offside or the net off its moorings, then it's sufficient to be part of some nebulous "hockey play." This is a professional league that people do for a living (and I'm not just talking about the players, but even the arena workers no one hears about, the broadcasters, the coaches, the medical personel, etc.). It shouldn't go by a "if no one notices" rule. I'd agree with you if the call was ambiguous, but it wasn't -- it was obvious.



Either way, good game. Glad we got the win.
 

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Linesmen didn't notice Duchene skating offside. You're saying that's a perfectly fine hockey play?


Refs don't notice the puck off the netting sometimes , miss penalties, etc. People are fallible. You're essentially arguing nothing should be reviewed. If the refs and linesmen don't see the puck go off the netting, the goalie being interfered with, the play being offside or the net off its moorings, then it's sufficient to be part of some nebulous "hockey play." This is a professional league that people do for a living (and I'm not just talking about the players, but even the arena workers no one hears about, the broadcasters, the coaches, the medical personel, etc.). It shouldn't go by a "if no one notices" rule. I'd agree with you if the call was ambiguous, but it wasn't -- it was obvious.

Yeah actually I didn't mind that much that Duchene's goal counted. It was an error, but it still looked like hockey to me, and it's the worst example we've ever had of an offsides goal.

I'm not essentially arguing that nothing should be reviewed. That's nonsense. It's not a hockey play to run the goalie, for example, and the officials can't always catch it in real time even if the interference is enough to determine whether a goalie is capable of stopping the puck. But the officials definitely will catch someone cherrypicking (what the offsides rule is for) and they've been 100% effective in preventing that from happening.

If the puck glances off the netting and a minute later someone scores, you think it should be called back? That would be ridiculous to me. If the officials can't tell then it's still hockey.
 

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First of all, the intention of the rule doesn't particular matter.

Well, that's kind of your interpretation, man.


But your legalism can easily be played with, too. How about we re-write the offsides rule:

the officials shall blow the play dead if they observe that a player crosses the line before the puck. If they do not blow the play dead, it is a live play.



There, fixed it. :laugh:
 

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Not me, it didn't affect the hockey play.

entering with the puck didn't affect everything that happened after it?

Look, I don't like the replay rule for offsides either, but pretending offsides shouldn't matter is entirely wrong.

Now, if they replayed an offside from a few possessions prior, I'd agree with you. As it is, entering the zone is key to any possession. If the rule were properly enforced there would have been no entry to begin with.

If they're to keep this review process, I'd like to see them limited to judging the play at full speed, since the game does not happen in slow motion. They'd never do that, but that's what I think about reviews of things like offsides or, in football, catches.
 

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