GDT: Game 13: Minnesota Wild @ Arizona Coyotes | 11/10/21 8:00 (AZ) | TNT

[Imaravencawcaw]

Record vs teams 1-16 by P%: 0-10-0
vs 17-31: 1-1-1 (NYI, BUF, SEA)

I'm just trying to keep this in mind as well. The Coyotes have played the toughest schedule of any team in the NHL so far (NHL Strength of Schedule Rankings). 8 of their first 11 on the road, including that ridiculous 6 game east coast road trip. This team is unequivocally the worst team in the NHL, but throwing a completely overhauled trash tank roster with a new coaching staff at the helm against this early season schedule was a recipe for complete disaster.

It's horrific now, but they'll get better as the players and coaches get to know each other. And they'll still be bad enough to be comfortably in last place by season's end, but hopefully less embarrassing to watch.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

I find it funny that when other teams tank we yell and scream, now that we are doing it, most embrace it..

My threshold is two seasons in a row with a top 5 pick. Anything more than that is when I'd go Chip Douglas and scream foul. Otherwise I view the tank as an NHL approved method to get better. I don't think we're abusing anything.

Only time I'd yell and scream over another teams tank is if it competes with ours lol. I think most of the shit we give Buffalo is because they out tanked us to get Eichel and they still suck, still getting top 10 picks years later, and just got another 1st overall to boot too. That's the frickin' unjustice there lol!

Edit: And they don't even have Eichel to show for it anymore. Talk about incompetence.

 

[rt]

I don’t think I can watch another game where Eriksson plays and O’Brien sits. It’s truly unacceptable with me.

 

[cobra427]

I think that's the point though, the best #1s don't need a strong partner or easier match ups, they just perform. Chych may get there but he isn't there today (or is Slumping). This is a tribulation he needs to work through, if he can't than we know what he is.

He isn't a top pairing D defensively yet, he is a second pairing D in that respect. His goal production last year was due to easier assignments and a better D partner, it opened him up to score more. Once he has more experience on D in a few years, he could turn into a very good 1D.

 

[TheLegend]

So what color lipstick goes on this pig? @Jakey53 I disagree. This is exactly what BA wanted. When my ticket rep told me that this season was going to be brutal, before training camp, she wasn't kidding.

Interesting sales tactic.

Truth in advertising.

 

[MIGs Dog]

Record vs teams 1-16 by P%: 0-10-0
vs 17-31: 1-1-1 (NYI, BUF, SEA)

This team is unequivocally the worst team in the NHL,

Maybe not the worst team. We haven't played the other "worst" teams yet. Yellow are losses. SO loss to Buffalo, and the only team we beat (green) has a losing record.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

My threshold is two seasons in a row with a top 5 pick. Anything more than that is when I'd go Chip Douglas and scream foul. Otherwise I view the tank as an NHL approved method to get better. I don't think we're abusing anything.

Only time I'd yell and scream over another teams tank is if it competes with ours lol. I think most of the shit we give Buffalo is because they out tanked us to get Eichel and they still suck, still getting top 10 picks years later, and just got another 1st overall to boot too. That's the frickin' unjustice there lol!

Edit: And they don't even have Eichel to show for it anymore. Talk about incompetence.

Not abusing anything? How about the fan base?
As for the rest of your happy tank post…. We now run the risk of the very incompetence you cast on Buffalo.

 

[MIGs Dog]

On the other hand, we have the lowest goals per game and the highest goals-against...maybe we are the worst team.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

Not abusing anything? How about the fan base?
As for the rest of your happy tank post…. We now run the risk of the very incompetence you cast on Buffalo.

The last 20 years of fake attempts at winning was the abuse, for me.

Edit: Now we run the risk of becoming prime CHI, PIT, WAS, COL, etc too.

 

[Jakey53]

My threshold is two seasons in a row with a top 5 pick. Anything more than that is when I'd go Chip Douglas and scream foul. Otherwise I view the tank as an NHL approved method to get better. I don't think we're abusing anything.

Only time I'd yell and scream over another teams tank is if it competes with ours lol. I think most of the shit we give Buffalo is because they out tanked us to get Eichel and they still suck, still getting top 10 picks years later, and just got another 1st overall to boot too. That's the frickin' unjustice there lol!

Edit: And they don't even have Eichel to show for it anymore. Talk about incompetence.

I don't ever approve a tank. It's not the right culture you want to have. Also, tanking and hoping to get a high end prospect does not guarantee success.

 

[Jakey53]

Not abusing anything? How about the fan base?
As for the rest of your happy tank post…. We now run the risk of the very incompetence you cast on Buffalo.

Exactly. Posters are pumping their chests and saying the Coyotes are finally doing it right etc. etc. Time will tell, but we have as much a chance this rebuild fails as we do that it works. BA has never been a GM in the NHL, and while with the Blues, they never tore their team down to the likes of what we have experienced here. Also, we have a rookie coach with no NHL experience, so again, time will tell if he will be successful. It's always next year around here.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

I don't ever approve a tank. It's not the right culture you want to have. Also, tanking and hoping to get a high end prospect does not guarantee success.

Nope. But continuing doing what they were doing wasn't successful. That we know with certainty.

Don't tell me having Kane & Toews or Ovechkin & Backstrom or Matthews & Marner is a bad thing. Remember how bad those teams were for a few years and how they got where they are now?

How come many other teams have succeeded through low draft picks but we're destined to end up like Buffalo instead? Do you not have enough confidence in what BA has done to believe in what he is doing?

 

[Jakey53]

The last 20 years of fake attempts at winning was the abuse, for me.

Edit: Now we run the risk of becoming prime CHI, PIT, WAS, COL, etc too.

What indicates to you we have the goods to become prime CHI, PIT, WAS, or COL?

 

[MIGs Dog]

I don't ever approve a tank. It's not the right culture you want to have. Also, tanking and hoping to get a high end prospect does not guarantee success.

I think it's more than just one high end prospect. Most teams that have won the Cup have drafted high and drafted well. BA is setting us up for numerous chances at building a winning team through the draft. It's really the best way.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

The last 20 years of fake attempts at winning was the abuse, for me.

Edit: Now we run the risk of becoming prime CHI, PIT, WAS, COL, etc too.

The last couple of years weren’t the last twenty. We had some good pieces to build around.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

What indicates to you we have the goods to become prime CHI, PIT, WAS, or COL?

We don't Jakey. We're working on it lol. They didn't have the goods to be what they became until they went out and got it either. None of them did

 

[Jakey53]

Nope. But continuing doing what they were doing wasn't successful. That we know with certainty.

Don't tell me having Kane & Toews or Ovechkin & Backstrom or Matthews & Marner is a bad thing. Remember how bad those teams were for a few years and how they got where they are now?

How come many other teams have succeeded through low draft picks but we're destined to end up like Buffalo instead? Do you not have enough confidence in what BA has done to believe in what he is doing?

What has BA done to give you this confidence? Pie in the sky draft picks? Good trades? Good signings? CHI and WAS both have /had great support players and a proven GM and coach. TOR are still trying to find their way.

 

[Jakey53]

We don't Jakey. We're working on it lol. They didn't have the goods to be what they became until they went out and got it either. None of them did

We have been working on it for how long? There were reasons in the past why we weren't successful, but since Chayka came on board, who most loved on this board, we have still not been successful. All I'm saying is what BA is doing may blow up in our face. I like most of BA's hiring, but not much else.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

The last couple of years weren’t the last twenty. We had some good pieces to build around.

Good pieces to build around? I disagree for the most part. We're historically a team of cast offs and complimentary pieces playing higher in the lineup than they would anywhere else. No real high end talent.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

We have been working on it for how long? There were reasons in the past why we weren't successful, but since Chayka came on board, who most loved on this board, we have still not been successful. All I'm saying is what BA is doing may blow up in our face. I like most of BA's hiring, but not much else.

So you would rather we have kept up with the insanity and not try?

 

[Jamieh]

We have been working on it for how long? There were reasons in the past why we weren't successful, but since Chayka came on board, who most loved on this board, we have still not been successful. All I'm saying is what BA is doing may blow up in our face. I like most of BA's hiring, but not much else.

Relax Jakey, Wash won by drafting Ovie high. It just took 13 years!!!! Colorado and Toronto have gone nowhere and won nothing.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

TOR are still trying to find their way

I wish we were as good a team as TOR.

 

[Jakey53]

I think it's more than just one high end prospect. Most teams that have won the Cup have drafted high and drafted well. BA is setting us up for numerous chances at building a winning team through the draft. It's really the best way.

You are correct, it all starts with drafting, but you need more than just that. You need proven, successful management and coaches etc. at every level thru out your organization as well.

 

[Jamieh]

So you would rather we have kept up with the insanity and not try?

Is the chance at success that much less by adding to what was already there and pitching hard on Matthews vs scorched earth and hoping for draft picks to pan out?

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

Relax Jakey, Wash won by drafting Ovie high. It just took 13 years!!!! Colorado and Toronto have gone nowhere and won nothing.

By that logic 31 teams go nowhere and win nothing every season. There's only 1 Stanley Cup. I just want to actually compete for it every year.