Post-Game Talk: GAME 11 - "Don, you got some splaining to do." - Whalercanes 8 BRUINS 2

[bobbyorr04]

Seconds before a slot goal.
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Good Lord ...pee wee players are more disciplined than this

 

[PaulD]

Honestly don't blame sway much yet. He deserved a good contract, he is a damn good goalie, the defence sucks, forwards suck, always on the penalty kill. Get back to where they can be and play tight in front of him and he will be fine. Everything is just a mess

No, can't blame Sway. But......he's a damn good goalie as long as the Bs are playing that locked down game in front of him.
Looks like when they aren't.....he's nothing special.
Let's wait and see.

 

[UncleRico]

I'm not sure if there's much correlation there. 3 out of the top 5 in PK minutes made the playoffs last year, including the Panthers at #2 who won the Cup.

I’m not sure looking at one season for correlation is going to get you any answers either.

Usually the more penalty kill time the more goals allowed. Of the top 5 teams in penalty kill goals against none made the playoffs.

Right now the bruins are tied for most in the league.

But there would obviously be exceptions like teams that have really good power plays and also draw a lot of penalties even if they commit a lot too.

 

[UncleRico]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1852135134134194661

Some of the worst defense I’ve ever seen played right here by zadorov and peeke. My gosh get undressed

 

[bobbyorr04]

No, can't blame Sway. But......he's a damn good goalie as long as the Bs are playing that locked down game in front of him.
Looks like when they aren't.....he's nothing special.
Let's wait and see.

No goalie is gonna look too good when 4 out of 5 of your own guys are behind the net chasing ONE guy

Swayman sure doesn't look like anything special for a $66 million dollar goalie, but not only did he miss training camp and pre-season games, but I think he also misses his buddy Linus

I'm hoping he will round into form after Monty gets canned and his team mates start earning their paychecks ...but I honestly don't know if they can turn this around, or will be the new San Jose Sharks

 

[PB37]

I’m not sure looking at one season for correlation is going to get you any answers either.

Bruins went to the Finals in 2019 being the third most penalized team in the league ( 3 out of the top 5 in PIMS made the playoffs that year as well ).

2020 and 2021, the Lightning won the Cup back to back being the 1st and third most penalized team in the league ( 3 out of the top 5 in PIMs made the playoffs in each of those years. Bruins were 6th and 5th those year )

2022, the Lightning made the SCF being the 2nd most penalized team again. ( 3 out of the top 5 in PMS made the playoffs again. Bruins were 8th )

2023, the Panthers made the SCF being the 2nd most penalized team in the league ( 2 out of the top 5 in PIMs made the playoffs that year. Bruins were 8th )

2024, the Panthers won the Cup being the most penalized team in the league ( 3 out of the top 5 in PIMS made the playoffs that year. Bruins were 13th ).

Not seeing the correlation here. Teams can and have gotten away with bleeding penalty minutes and make the playoffs ( and do well ). Definitely would rather see them stay out of the box then be in it and the PK has been atrocious.

 

[UncleRico]

Bruins went to the Finals in 2019 being the third most penalized team in the league ( 3 out of the top 5 in PIMS made the playoffs that year as well ).

2020 and 2021, the Lightning won the Cup back to back being the 1st and third most penalized team in the league ( 3 out of the top 5 in PIMs made the playoffs in each of those years. Bruins were 6th and 5th those year )

2022, the Lightning made the SCF being the 2nd most penalized team again. ( 3 out of the top 5 in PMS made the playoffs again. Bruins were 8th )

2023, the Panthers made the SCF being the 2nd most penalized team in the league ( 2 out of the top 5 in PIMs made the playoffs that year. Bruins were 8th )

2024, the Panthers won the Cup being the most penalized team in the league ( 3 out of the top 5 in PIMS made the playoffs that year. Bruins were 13th ).

Not seeing the correlation here. Teams can and have gotten away with bleeding penalty minutes and make the playoffs ( and do well ).

I’m not talking about PIMs I’m talking about PK minutes and PK goals allowed.

A lot of teams who fight a lot will have high PIMs but that’s a 5 minute major and not a penalty kill.

Bruins are 2nd in PK TOI and tied for first in PK goals allowed. I’m sure that’s not a winning recipe.

Also a lot more than 5 teams make the playoffs so I have no clue why you are using top 5, but I would imagine it’s because you looked and the numbers get worse so you stopped at 5

 

[Kegs]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1852135134134194661

Some of the worst defense I’ve ever seen played right here by zadorov and peeke. My gosh get undressed

That one’s on Zad

 

[PB37]

I’m not talking about PIMs I’m talking about PK minutes and PK goals allowed.

A lot of teams who fight a lot will have high PIMs but that’s a 5 minute major and not a penalty kill.

Bruins are 2nd in PK TOI and tied for first in PK goals allowed. I’m sure that’s not a winning recipe.

Also a lot more than 5 teams make the playoffs so I have no clue why you are using top 5, but I would imagine it’s because you looked and the numbers get worse so you stopped at 5

I'm using top 5 because you said that the teams who are the among the leaders in penalty kill minutes have slim chances to make the playoffs. Top 5 to me would be among the leaders. If we were to do a top 10, there would be more, in some cases half the teams. But sticking with top 5, these are the SH TOI leaders

2019 - Two of the top 5 teams in SH TOI made the playoffs ( 1st and 3rd )

2020 - Three of the top 5 teams in SH TOI made the playoffs ( 1st, 2nd, 4th )

2021 - Three of the top 5 teams in SH TOI made the playoffs ( 2nd, 4th, 5th )

2022 - Four of the top 5 teams in SH TOI made the playoffs ( 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th )

2023 - Two out of the top 5 teams in SH TOI made the playoffs ( 3rd and 4th )

2024 - Three out of the top 5 teams in SH TOI made the playoffs ( 2nd, 4th, 5th )


Again, no correlation here.

 

[PaulD]

No goalie is gonna look too good when 4 out of 5 of your own guys are behind the net chasing ONE guy

Swayman sure doesn't look like anything special for a $66 million dollar goalie, but not only did he miss training camp and pre-season games, but I think he also misses his buddy Linus

I'm hoping he will round into form after Monty gets canned and his team mates start earning their paychecks ...but I honestly don't know if they can turn this around, or will be the new San Jose Sharks

Yea. Concerning for sure. Doesn't feel like just "a slump" . Thought they were gonna lose last night. But was absolutely sure of it 5 minutes in.
It could have been double digits but the Canes actually appeared to put the guns away and coast to the win. yikes!
Wake up call? Might be better than 2-1 loss.
Can't recall the Bs blue lime ever looking this below average. They really don't even look like they have a top pair. And Charlie ain't the guy for first unit powerplay.
poweplay.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Yea. Concerning for sure. Doesn't feel like just "a slump" . Thought they were gonna lose last night. But was absolutely sure of it 5 minutes in.
It could have been double digits but the Canes actually appeared to put the guns away and coast to the win. yikes!
Wake up call? Might be better than 2-1 loss.
Can't recall the Bs blue lime ever looking this below average. They really don't even look like they have a top pair. And Charlie ain't the guy for first unit powerplay.
poweplay.

You keep bagging on McAvoy, what about the other 4 stiffs that are on the power play?

Hard to be creative when everyone is standing still, There is a reason we lose pucks at the blue line and just about every board battle, even while having more players on the ice.

Soft lazy forwards,

Mason looked even worse,

This team has no clue on the power play, how many times Pasta puts the point man in a tough situation, it's like the point man need to concentrate on the upcoming turnover from him.

Take Pasta of the power play first unit, start there. go with two dmen.

 

[PB37]

You keep bagging on McAvoy, what about the other 4 stiffs that are on the power play?

Hard to be creative when everyone is standing still, There is a reason we lose pucks at the blue line and just about every board battle, even while having more players on the ice.

Soft lazy forwards,

Mason looked even worse,

This team has no clue on the power play, how many times Pasta puts the point man in a tough situation, it's like the point man need to concentrate on the upcoming turnover from him.

Take Pasta of the power play first unit, start there. go with two dmen.

There was a point in the game where H. Lindholm had the puck behind the Bruins net and had nowhere to go with it, so he just stood there while the forchecker was in front of the net. That play and the Lohrei getting torched by a single forechecker made the D look bad but at the same time I was wondering where the support forwards were. No outlet pass for the D to move the puck because they forwards are not working to get open or simply not fast enough TO get open.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

There was a point in the game where H. Lindholm had the puck behind the Bruins net and had nowhere to go with it, so he just stood there while the forchecker was in front of the net. That play and the Lohrei getting torched by a single forechecker made the D look bad but at the same time I was wondering where the support forwards were. No outlet pass for the D to move the pick because they forwards are not working to get open or simply not fast enough TO get open.

right on!

 

[KillerMillerTime]

That is an interesting question.

We all seem to feel there is a difference by the team play and results.... but no one can answer that question. Not even sure, Monty or Boston management can.

Dumb penalties and last night brutal PK. That's one of the biggest differences from last year.

 

[Caper Bruins fan]

I hear you.I have already embraced the tank.This organization has to start refilling the pipeline with top talent.Only 2 pts out of dead last in the entire NHL.A 1st overall pick would be way better then anything else outside Cup win and I would not wager 1 dollar on that.

You will be here with the rest of us cheering the Bruins on especially during the late night games. Embrace the tank ? I don’t think so .

 

[UncleRico]

I'm using top 5 because you said that the teams who are the among the leaders in penalty kill minutes have slim chances to make the playoffs. Top 5 to me would be among the leaders. If we were to do a top 10, there would be more, in some cases half the teams. But sticking with top 5, these are the SH TOI leaders

2019 - Two of the top 5 teams in SH TOI made the playoffs ( 1st and 3rd )

2020 - Three of the top 5 teams in SH TOI made the playoffs ( 1st, 2nd, 4th )

2021 - Three of the top 5 teams in SH TOI made the playoffs ( 2nd, 4th, 5th )

2022 - Four of the top 5 teams in SH TOI made the playoffs ( 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th )

2023 - Two out of the top 5 teams in SH TOI made the playoffs ( 3rd and 4th )

2024 - Three out of the top 5 teams in SH TOI made the playoffs ( 2nd, 4th, 5th )


Again, no correlation here.

Ok cool there’s no correlation on your Cherry picked stats.

I guess by your logic we should try and commit as many penalties as possible and always be on the PK.

Now do the other half of my post that you conviently deleted out about bruins being top in PK goals against. Seem to be quite the cherry picker here. Or did that part not fit your narrative so you left it out?

Or are you just going to avoid/delete half my posts and move forward with one sentence on my posts?

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Ok cool there’s no correlation on your Cherry picked stats.

I guess by your logic we should try and commit as many penalties as possible and always be on the PK

As long as they are violent penalties I'm all in.

 

[UncleRico]

That one’s on Zad

Ya zadorov was awful on that play but peeke was almost just as bad. Zadorov completely whoffed, peeke got stuck in the middle of playing the puck and the man and missed both

 

[wintersej]

Ok cool there’s no correlation on your Cherry picked stats.

I guess by your logic we should try and commit as many penalties as possible and always be on the PK.

Now do the other half of my post that you conviently deleted out about bruins being top in PK goals against. Seem to be quite the cherry picker here. Or did that part not fit your narrative so you left it out?

Or are you just going to avoid/delete half my posts and move forward with one sentence on my posts?

The bruins have the most PPs in the league. Boston fans should know that penalties usually even out enough. It’s the fact that their special teams haven’t been very good that is the problem.

 

[UncleRico]

The bruins have the most PPs in the league. Boston fans should know that penalties usually even out enough. It’s the fact that their special teams haven’t been very good that is the problem.

agreed, and kind of what im getting at , except when @PB37 deleted 75% of my post and leaves one sentence in the quote its incredibly misleading

I’m not sure looking at one season for correlation is going to get you any answers either.

Usually the more penalty kill time the more goals allowed. Of the top 5 teams in penalty kill goals against none made the playoffs.

Right now the bruins are tied for most in the league.

But there would obviously be exceptions like teams that have really good power plays and also draw a lot of penalties even if they commit a lot too.

for some reason he wants delete everything except the top bolded sentence and delete the very important caveat/context in the 2nd bolded part on the bottom.

But the 2nd bolded part is roughly what you were alluding to. Their PP has been middling and they have allowed almost twice as many PK goals against as they have PP goals for. Not a winning recipe

 

[22Brad Park]

You will be here with the rest of us cheering the Bruins on especially during the late night games. Embrace the tank ? I don’t think so .

haha, I always want them to win, but I usually have a good idea about them when they are a legit force and I am not seeing it .The pipeline is dry too.Anyhow you are probably right but a top 3 pick sure would help longterm.

 

[PB37]

Ok cool there’s no correlation on your Cherry picked stats.

I guess by your logic we should try and commit as many penalties as possible and always be on the PK.

Now do the other half of my post that you conviently deleted out about bruins being top in PK goals against. Seem to be quite the cherry picker here. Or did that part not fit your narrative so you left it out?

Or are you just going to avoid/delete half my posts and move forward with one sentence on my posts?

These aren't cherry picked, lol. I answered your original quote to show you that being on the PK isn't going to break their playoff hopes.

Ok cool there’s no correlation on your Cherry picked stats.

I guess by your logic we should try and commit as many penalties as possible and always be on the PK.

Now do the other half of my post that you conviently deleted out about bruins being top in PK goals against. Seem to be quite the cherry picker here. Or did that part not fit your narrative so you left it out?

Or are you just going to avoid/delete half my posts and move forward with one sentence on my posts?

I was quoting your original assumption, that being in the top SH TOI is going to make their playoff hopes slim. I showed you that was wrong. And now you're crying about moving goalposts when this whole time, I made it pretty clear what I was responding to you about as YOU continue to move the goal posts. What you're asking NOW ( PK efficiency ) is far different than your original assumption. Taking undisciplined penalties, while not ideal, isn't a direct correlation to not making the playoffs because, as we've seen, teams with high SH TOI in the regular season have made long playoff runs. It's ok to admit you're wrong, ya know... this isn't a big deal.

 

[hrdpuk]

That one’s on Zad

No it's on the forward that should pick up that man shooting. Unfortunately he's about 10 ft behind the play . Teams have been scoring a lot of goals against the B's the same way.
Lack of discipline , coaching , low IQ or something else

 

[UncleRico]

These aren't cherry picked, lol. I answered your original quote to show you that being on the PK isn't going to break their playoff hopes.


I was quoting your original assumption, that being in the top SH TOI is going to make their playoff hopes slim. I showed you that was wrong. And now you're crying about moving goalposts when this whole time, I made it pretty clear what I was responding to you about as YOU continue to move the goal posts. What you're asking NOW ( PK efficiency ) is far different than your original assumption. Taking undisciplined penalties, while not ideal, isn't a direct correlation to not making the playoffs because, as we've seen, teams with high SH TOI in the regular season have made long playoff runs. It's ok to admit you're wrong, ya know... this isn't a big deal.

You deleted 75% of my post and used top 5 teams when 16 teams make the playoffs.

wtf are you talking about.

And my original post talked about both PK TOI and goals against.

 

[UncleRico]

These aren't cherry picked, lol. I answered your original quote to show you that being on the PK isn't going to break their playoff hopes.

The PK isnt going to break their playoff chances? They have allowed the most PK goals in the league this year.

Last year among the top 8 teams to allow the most PK goals only 1 team made the playoffs. The PK can absolutely break their playoff chances.

See what happens when you delete 75% of someones post and cherry pick stats? You can form just about any narrative you want.