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GDT: Game 11/82: Los Angeles Kings @ Chicago Blackhawks | Mon, Nov 2 2015 - 5:30PM PST

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EbonyRaptor said:
Q uses the 4th line more as the traditional checking line - often against the oppositions top line. The Desjardins-Kruger-Shaw line was together throughout the playoffs last season and were very good at checking the oppo's top guys. So - it's not a demotion at all - it's a testament to how much Q likes Shaw in that role.
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Sutter pours bourbon said:
Ah, that makes more sense. thanks for the clarification. I didn't notice who his linemates were, should have inferred that from seeing the other two.
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theMajor said:
just tuned in to see Lewis on the first line and Kopi scores a goal immediately :laugh:

wtf is this wizardy
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I think we've escalated to black magic
 
Ollie Weeks said:
If I may indulge myself in a whiny, empty-headed fanboy moment:

Why the ****ing **** can't Brown score on any of his shots anymore?
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After last years scoring woes and the start to this year it's a very easy to say he has a giant monkey on his back. If he can get one to go in he might just start lighting it up. Because he isn't playing badly.
 
Ron said:
http://espn.go.com/nhl/team/stats/_/name/la/los-angeles-kings

4th line holding their own in +/-. Much better than the third line (or what used to be the third line). Don't hear anything about how much they suck, tho.
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Because the third line also plays a ton more. Come on you watch a lot of games, how can you not see how bad they have been?

I don't expect them to score, but when was the last time they actually cycled the puck..at all? They are stuck in their own zone way too often for as little had time they get.
 
Holden Caulfield said:
+/- is a complete garbage stat that needs to be thrown out. Doesn't tell you anything really.
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Actually, it tells me a great deal. It tells me that this group is basically a total of -2, 10 games + into the season, with the 4th line matching up against top lines in road games more often than one would like.

The fact that its still reported tells me that it isn't a "garbage" stat but that its still relied upon by teams in the overall universe of stat-tracking for analysis purposes.
 
I just noticed this game was on FSW, thought it was only on NHL Network.

All they talked about was how great Kane and the Blackhawks are.
 
I don't wanna rag on the guy because he's getting plenty of flak for not producing enough but Brown really needs to be physical which is something he hasn't been at all this year other than his attempt to normalize Couture's facial features. Even last year when Brown was horrible he at least was somewhat physical.
 
Winger23 said:
Because the third line also plays a ton more. Come on you watch a lot of games, how can you not see how bad they have been?

I don't expect them to score, but when was the last time they actually cycled the puck..at all? They are stuck in their own zone way too often for as little had time they get.
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They were absolutely fantastic in the Nashville game, and in the previous home game as well against Carolina. That's why I argue in favor of this line. They work it and work it and work it, and the only complaints I really see about this line are actually on this team board.
 
Holden Caulfield said:
+/- is a complete garbage stat that needs to be thrown out. Doesn't tell you anything really.
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In a vacuum yes it is not worth anything, but when combined with other stats, over a large sample size, compared to teammates in goes up to having little value
 
Ron said:
Actually, it tells me a great deal. It tells me that this group is basically a total of -2, 10 games + into the season, with the 4th line matching up against top lines in road games more often than one would like.

The fact that its still reported tells me that it isn't a "garbage" stat but that its still relied upon by teams in the overall universe of stat-tracking for analysis purposes.
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No team uses it really. It doesn't say anything. MAYBE if it was 5v5 goal differential adjusted for TOI it might mean something. But it doesn't it's stat that is basically random.
 
Holden Caulfield said:
No team uses it really. It doesn't say anything. MAYBE if it was 5v5 goal differential adjusted for TOI it might mean something. But it doesn't it's stat that is basically random.
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It is indicative of how successful a player is in playing defense, whether that player is a defenseman or a forward defending. It is not a random stat because it is directly related to what happens on the ice. How can you say that its random? Ridiculous statement.
 
Herby said:
He is rolling 4 lines evenly and they clearly don't really trust Forbort very much.
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Is Greene still injured and unable to play? Because if they put Forbort in front of a healthy Greene that speaks volumes.

Not sure if McBain will be back in the lineup against St. Louis, so we may have to endure this again tomorrow.
 
Ron said:
It is indicative of how successful a player is in playing defense, whether that player is a defenseman or a forward defending. It is not a random stat because it is directly related to what happens on the ice. How can you say that its random? Ridiculous statement.
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Because you can be in the middle of a change just get on the ice and have a goal scored. What exactly did you do to cause that goal to go in?
And that is just one of the random things that do happen.
 
Ron said:
Is Greene still injured and unable to play? Because if they put Forbort in front of a healthy Greene that speaks volumes.

Not sure if McBain will be back in the lineup against St. Louis, so we may have to endure this again tomorrow.
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Greene isn't ready yet from what I've read.
 
Ron said:
It is indicative of how successful a player is in playing defense, whether that player is a defenseman or a forward defending. It is not a random stat because it is directly related to what happens on the ice. How can you say that its random? Ridiculous statement.
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It's random. Depends hugely on goal save percentage, shooting percentage, PP goals/against. It is not indicative of anything. Like I said over very large sample sizes (ie way more than 10 games) 5v5 goal differential adjusted for TOI can be useful. But +/- is random and useless.
 
tsanuri said:
Because you can be in the middle of a change just get on the ice and have a goal scored. What exactly did you do to cause that goal to go in?
And that is just one of the random things that do happen.
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Honestly, I don't see that happen very often. What I do see is bad changes that lead to goals, but not right in the middle of a change...if players are changing right when a scoring chance happens then those are incredible mental mistakes and have nothing much to do with randomness.
 
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