Post-Game Talk: GAME 10 - What was that? - Flyers 2 BRUINS 0

[PlayMakers]

Where do you even turn to as this point? Waive Jones and call up Lysell and sign Johnson? Ten games in and 2 regulation wins and 27 total goals scored. Both conference lows.

I think they need a major shakeup.

True, the offensive talent is thin, but they're MUCH better than what we've seen so far. They’ve been flat in 9 /10 games. The entire top9 and top4 are not just underperforming they don't seem to care. They clearly don’t believe in what they’re doing.

So to me there seem to be two issues. 1) a lack of buy-in from the players. It's like they don't believe in the systems and are trying to force a chance. And 2) A lack of effort and intensity in the games. They simply are not working hard enough to win games.

What to do? Hard to say. If the players don't believe in the game plan, then find out why? How do they want to play? At the same time, Monty needs to get extreme. They need a bomb to go off in that locker room. They need to be made uncomfortable. They need to be put on notice. And I'm talking about guys like Marchand, McAvoy, Coyle and Pasta. They'll either respond or turn on Monty, but the alternative is to just fire Monty so he may as well go nuclear now so he can say he tried everything.

 

[Dr Hook]

Montgomery is feeling it. More and more obvious every day.

As he should be, don't you think?

 

[EverettMike]

As he should be, don't you think?

I think he's been coaching from the get-go like a guy terrified he's going to be fired any second which is only making things worse and worse. And the worse they get the tighter he gets, so I think it would actually behoove him to relax a little and coach like he has nothing to lose.

 

[bruins cup]

It's 10 games why nine points isn't ideal it is what it is they haven't played well that's obvious but they haven't had much luck either when things are going well some of those shots last night bounce off a leg and go in the net and we win two to one or three to one and then everybody would be talking about how we're back to our defensive game and the goalie was great and not so much about losing we'll see how they look over the next 10 games maybe you call up a guy from Providence just to give the line up a different look for a few games I don't think there's anyone down there that's going to contribute consistently but a little shake up having one of the regulars come out of the lineup is a little message setting tone and more than that just to like I mentioned give the lineup a different look and feel way too many good players on this team for them to be not scoring on a five on three getting shut out by the flyers in losing these games we will turn it around I'm very confident in that the core has been here for a long time they're not going to continue losing at this rate

 

[Dr Hook]

I think he's been coaching from the get-go like a guy terrified he's going to be fired any second which is only making things worse and worse. And the worse they get the tighter he gets, so I think it would actually behoove him to relax a little and coach like he has nothing to lose.

Makes you wonder what's been communicated to him from his bosses after two disappointing playoffs. You also might wonder how that sort of tightness can affect the room and how the team plays.

 

[Sheppy]

You also can't waste good games from Korpisalo.

They failed there, too.

 

[EverettMike]

Makes you wonder what's been communicated to him from his bosses after two disappointing playoffs. You also might wonder how that sort of tightness can affect the room and how the team plays.

Wonder if it's a tacit understanding and/or interpretation by him what the lack of an extension means for his job security which is why he's been wound so tight. I do think it's impacting the team. If we're picking up on it so clearly from afar imagine the atmosphere in the locker room?

 

[Hookslide]

Pretty ugly

Marchand is killing this team, not because he is playing any worse than anyone else on this team, but because he is expected to be a big contributor like he has in the past. My honest opinion, Sweeney might be more to blame for this shit show than Monty or the players, and I am not letting them off the hook, but look to be honest I was always a DeBrusk guy, but I do think it was time for him to go, for the team and for him, but Sweeney never replaced him, and I do not want hear it was Lindhom who replaced him, that was just moving Zacha to wing, but they always needed a wing. I liked Sweeneys attempt this year to build off season, but and I am a big on having a strong defense, but moving DeBrusk, no replacement, and a good GM, should have been preparing for Marchands decline, I think Marchand can still help this team, but in a lesser role, and I know where that strip him of his captaincy comes from but that is just pure bullshit thing to do and only adds another distraction to this team. Sweeney misread a lot of what was happening this year and he should be held responsible.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I don't know if we agree on this or not, but I believe that the team is good enough to be a playoff team, at which point all bets are off because it is often not the most talented team that wins the Cup but the ones that have the best injury luck, and have favorable matchup stylistically on the way, and any number of other breaks along the way.

You say a few great players, several good players, and a lot of JAGs (who to me are just the role players and depth guys that you have to have). I would respond with that sounds about right for pretty much the whole league. The problem so far, to me, is the great and good players we have are seriously underperforming and so are most of the role/depth guys.

Sorry mods about that last post. Montgomery is not a happy camper today. Lines are really shuffled.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851652355885871320

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851651511002059097

Geekie in the doghouse.

 

[Sheppy]

Charlie Coyles stat line is truly something to behold.

 

[Hookslide]

Montgomery is feeling it. More and more obvious every day.

To be expected when your job is on the line.

 

[VanIsle]

Charlie Coyles stat line is truly something to behold.

10 games 1 goal -8 10 shots 17:15 TOI

Might be the worst stat line in the NHL this year. . . . ..


Best stat line is the 4th line a combined +25 and the rest of the team is a 0 or - player other then Zadorov who is a +2.

The rest of the team is a combined - 54.

 

[EverettMike]

To be expected when your job is on the line.

If I were an NHL coach who thought I might get fired I would simply not care because you get paid anyway. What's the worst that will happen? You get a lengthy vacation.

I'd do my best coaching then, actually.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

10 games 1 goal -8 10 shots 17:15 TOI

Might be the worst stat line in the NHL this year. . . . ..

Let's not forget that he's also winning 40.6% of his faceoffs.

 

[Hookslide]

I think he's been coaching from the get-go like a guy terrified he's going to be fired any second which is only making things worse and worse. And the worse they get the tighter he gets, so I think it would actually behoove him to relax a little and coach like he has nothing to lose.

Good point, I also think this team has had a large turnover, and contract distractions, and I put much it on Sweeney. That run to the cup when he went on to pickup 3 players at the TD and not one of them resigned, is catching up to him, and the loss of Bergey, Hall, Krecji, and DeBrusk has not helped the situation. The more I think of it AWFUL GM WORK !!!!

 

[ODAAT]

Marchand is killing this team, not because he is playing any worse than anyone else on this team, but because he is expected to be a big contributor like he has in the past. My honest opinion, Sweeney might be more to blame for this shit show than Monty or the players, and I am not letting them off the hook, but look to be honest I was always a DeBrusk guy, but I do think it was time for him to go, for the team and for him, but Sweeney never replaced him, and I do not want hear it was Lindhom who replaced him, that was just moving Zacha to wing, but they always needed a wing. I liked Sweeneys attempt this year to build off season, but and I am a big on having a strong defense, but moving DeBrusk, no replacement, and a good GM, should have been preparing for Marchands decline, I think Marchand can still help this team, but in a lesser role, and I know where that strip him of his captaincy comes from but that is just pure bullshit thing to do and only adds another distraction to this team. Sweeney misread a lot of what was happening this year and he should be held responsible.

Marchand is simply one of the issues

Zacha, Frederic, Poitras, Geekie , Coyle , combined 11 pts with Coyle and Geeks 1 pt each, not good enough

The D not moving the puck up ice quickly, they skate back to retrieve with little urgency and how many times have I seen them , because of lack of urgency, make it an easy forecheck for the opponent, B`s D man hammers it around the wall to the opponents?

I get Monty has his faults, I`m positive he ain`t coaching this team to do that

Geekie looks simply putrid, shouldn`t see the ice again, Coyle not much better

Really enthused about Poitras and what`s to come but 3 different plays he did the Jake Debrusk fly by special, think Brick even mentioned one of them on the broadcast

so frustrating

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Marchand is simply one of the issues

Zacha, Frederic, Poitras, Geekie , Coyle , combined 11 pts with Coyle and Geeks 1 pt each, not good enough

The D not moving the puck up ice quickly, they skate back to retrieve with little urgency and how many times have I seen them , because of lack of urgency, make it an easy forecheck for the opponent, B`s D man hammers it around the wall to the opponents?

I get Monty has his faults, I`m positive he ain`t coaching this team to do that

Geekie looks simply putrid, shouldn`t see the ice again, Coyle not much better

Really enthused about Poitras and what`s to come but 3 different plays he did the Jake Debrusk fly by special, think Brick even mentioned one of them on the broadcast

so frustrating

Yeah, way too much blame on the coach.

Not enough on the players.

 

[ON3M4N]

Sorry mods about that last post. Montgomery is not a happy camper today. Lines are really shuffled.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851652355885871320

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851651511002059097

Here's my interpretation of what Monty is trying to do....

Beecher-Zacha-Pastrnak
Zacha & Pastrnak have shown they can play well together...but they have no sense of urgency right now. Monty wants Beecher to use his speed to get in on the forecheck to win puck battles and force Zacha & Pastrnak to play with more pace.

Marchand-Lindholm-Kastelic
Lindholm stylistically is like Bergeron and that's a style Marchand is used to. Kastelic is an absolute dog that will get in an help win puck battles, go to the net and bring some energy.

Frederic-Poitras-Brazeau
Metric wise, when Poitras is on the ice the Bruins are generating offensive opportunities. The trio of Poitras, Frederic and Brazeau have some good underlying numbers in the ~17 minutes they've played together, so maybe it works

Jones-Coyle-Koepke
This is the line that I'm not really sure about. I'd rather see Geekie with Coyle & Koepke, but this feels like a line that Monty is putting together to be a "shutdown" line.

 

[RiverbottomChuck]

Yeah, way too much blame on the coach.

Not enough on the players.

I definitely think it's mostly on the players but given the lack of talent management have supplied the big and little clubs Monty is primed to be the fall guy for the vision not working in a desperate effort a new coach can coax out some heart and effort.

I don't think they have the pieces for a trade and the 1st is becoming more valuable to the Bruins every game. The lineup is as good as it's gonna get barring Lysell suddenly making an enormous jump. The players seem stuck and issues are expected given the new look of the team but they gotta start trending up in the effort department soon.

 

[ODAAT]

Yeah, way too much blame on the coach.

Not enough on the players.

I think Monty tends to mix things up too quickly behind the bench when it comes to line combos but man, been years since I`ve seen a Bruins team pass the puck like peewee`s and his in game adjustments are suspect but ultimately, it`s the players who execute or not and this team ain`t and it`s on the basics of the game, passing, positioning, focus on details

A coach who has had two seasons winning percentage of .823 and .665 hasn`t forgotten how to coach

For me, I`d put about 15% of blame on the coaching staff, horrible PP adjustments or lack of PP adjustments and 85% on the players who have been garbagio

I expected a bit of an uneven October in the sense of new faces/systems, Marchand off 3 surgeries, Poitras having not played in forever but this ? I know it isn`t true as I am sure they do but they appear to be a group that doesn`t give a shit

 

[Bradely]

I think they need a major shakeup.

True, the offensive talent is thin, but they're MUCH better than what we've seen so far. They’ve been flat in 9 /10 games. The entire top9 and top4 are not just underperforming they don't seem to care. They clearly don’t believe in what they’re doing.

So to me there seem to be two issues. 1) a lack of buy-in from the players. It's like they don't believe in the systems and are trying to force a chance. And 2) A lack of effort and intensity in the games. They simply are not working hard enough to win games.

What to do? Hard to say. If the players don't believe in the game plan, then find out why? How do they want to play? At the same time, Monty needs to get extreme. They need a bomb to go off in that locker room. They need to be made uncomfortable. They need to be put on notice. And I'm talking about guys like Marchand, McAvoy, Coyle and Pasta. They'll either respond or turn on Monty, but the alternative is to just fire Monty so he may as well go nuclear now so he can say he tried everything.

Monty's body language, yelling and give a push on the captain is a symptom IMO of something that might be going wrong. rightfully or not is an appreciation. The team play is also comforting that appreciation.

It has been a long time Bruins roster show signs of not having fun from what I see.

We will see what will come, I stay by what I said. Monty's countdown is ongoing, and from what I have witness I stated it with the yelling at Marchand. Can they regroup and come back on track? yes. But help will be needed imo.

 

[Bradely]

Yeah, way too much blame on the coach.

Not enough on the players.

How could it be different. 1 coach versus 23 players. If you want to move a players, especially underachievers or during team difficulty, you lose value.

Always the same. Coach are WAY easier to target than players.

If I were an NHL coach who thought I might get fired I would simply not care because you get paid anyway. What's the worst that will happen? You get a lengthy vacation.

I'd do my best coaching then, actually.

Claude Julien said it once. I will go down in my own terms!

 

[Bmessy]

I think those lines are just: "here 4th line you know how to simplify and play actual hockey, show them how it's done."

I doubt those lines will roll tomorrow but who knows.
This team doesn't know how to play simple, stupid hockey. Pastrnak and Marchand were deplorable last night. Frederic. Ghost. Coyle. Ghost. I notice Zacha atleast, but still not great.

I don't think E. Lindholm has jumped off the screen yet. How can a player be that invisible? Usually that means you're good like Nick Lidstrom. But maybe I'm just not used to his game. Years of puck carrying and facilitating centers will do that to ya, I guess

Don't even get me going on McAvoy, that 9.5 looking reallll baddd. He reads passing lanes like my 3 year old niece reading bed time stories.

Not many play drivers on the team, and no one wants to work outside of the 4th line.

Precarious indeed. If this keeps on going the options in a few weeks are slim. Waive a guy which already happened, sign Johnson, trade a guy, fire Montgomery. I would be fine with them trading a guy like Ferderic to shake up the locker room. (i don't want them to sign him long term anyways) Word on the street is he's still asking Bennett to go.
Not saying right now, but if they are in this spot by thanksgiving, gotta do something.

 

[LouJersey]

I don't really subscribe to the "pair" theory but this is pretty interesting

I like Zacha and Pasta together when Zacha is the center. Marchand and Lindholm haven't been too bad in the small amount of time together. (Marchand no 5v5 goals in ten games very concerning). Poitras w Freddy and Brazzeau have been decent.

Issue I have is the 4th line (19-47-45) is 9-1 goals scored 5v5 Why not make it the 3rd line or at least keep it together?

Bruins have enough to call up another player. Would have enough for 2 players if not for the awful Mike Reilly signing/buyout.

 

[lopey]

Geekie in the doghouse.

Interesting first 2 lines. Why not