Laval Rocket: Game #1 vs. Abbotsford Canucks (Laval Loses 7-4)

BaseballCoach

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Are management really that concerned about losing Primeau to waivers that they won't send him down? I don't know what about his NHL resume leads them to think he'd be claimed and it looks like team rocket could use him.
What really ought to be done is convert Jake Allen into a true mentor and having him work side by side with Dobes. If he is waived and an NHL team picks him up, good for Jake, we can give him a tribute at the first commercial break when he comes back for a game.

But more likely he will not be claimed, he will go down and play about half the games and help Dobes as well. When the inevitable injury occurs to Monty or Primeau, he will be back with the Habs.

Cayden Primeau may or may not prove to be a reasonable NHL backup goaltender, but there is really no harm in letting him try.
 
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Watched Struble at the end of last season, it looked easy for him to adapt to the AHL level. Again tonight he was the best D for Laval. He is the most underated player in the pipeline. Already close to the NHL. There is no buzz around him because he is for now a defense first D, but he is already very good at defending at the AHL level.

Roy will prove all his doubter wrong and he will be better in the NHL playing with better players.

Struble and Kovacevic are starting to get noticed for their steady defensive play and physical presence. We can't have 6 top 4 dmen each making 6 or 7 plus million. We'll probably need one or two low csp hit bottom pair stay at home rugged D...

And with all the talk of at least 2 more expansion teams, we'll probably lose a D to expansion.
 

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I understand the want/need for depth especially given last year but this is too many guys that need to be playing decent minutes. Need some moves here KH

EDIT:
Also didnt get to watch. Who looked good/bad?
 

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I understand the want/need for depth especially given last year but this is too many guys that need to be playing decent minutes. Need some moves here KH

EDIT:
Also didnt get to watch. Who looked good/bad?

The guys that stood out the most were Roy, Mailloux & Struble. Kidney also had a good game.

Trudeau & Norlinder struggled. Had good moments, but overall, they had an underwhelming game. Dobes also had a bad first outing.

Heineman and Simoneau did their usual work, but didn't do anything to stand out much. But didn't hurt the team.


As for the depth, we shouldn't panic. It's one game. And even the prospects who were scratched last night will get in the line-up. Everyone will get to play and a chance to earn a spot. And those who don't will either be healthy scratched from time to time, sent to ECHL or in Mesar's case, if he doesn't stick, might be sent to ECHL or back to Junior.
 

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I understand the want/need for depth especially given last year but this is too many guys that need to be playing decent minutes. Need some moves here KH

EDIT:
Also didnt get to watch. Who looked good/bad?


I watched the game and here are my quick assessments of only the players who I believe the team and the fans have realistic hopes of one day being part of the Canadiens in the future:

Norlinder: For an experienced player who showed so much promise during the main team's exhibition games and should have been a dominant player against this level of competition, Norlinder was largely ineffective and unnoticeable. His play can best be described as disinterested.

Trudeau: As some here have posted, it was just an all round bad game ( really bad) for this young defenceman. He gave away the puck on multiple occasions which directly led to goals against, made poor reads all over the ice and allowed opposing forwards to beat him to the net also resulting in goals against. As the game progressed, Trudeau tried too hard to make up for his errors which only compounded his ineffectiveness. It was only one game and nothing too much should be read into his unexpectedly poor performance. This kid has enough talent to play in the NHL.

Struble: One of a number of players last night who surprised me with their overall effectiveness. Struble was one of the team's most efficient/steady defencemen. He displayed strong skating, strength on his skates and good physicality. He killed penalties. He sealed off opposing players effectively and generally made the right read in all three zones of the ice. Along with Bisson, Struble was Laval's best defenceman.

Mailloux: For his first professional game, I thought Mailloux played as well as I had expected. As I have often posted, because of his lost development time, it will take Mailloux time to adjust to the pace of the game at the AHL level. Just as he had jitters at the start of the development camp, it will take him time to become comfortable at this level. Nevertheless, Mailloux made few errors defensively, made the right reads, closed the gap aggressively and displayed a level of conditioning that was much improved over what I witnessed during his final year at London. Offensively, Mailloux was not engaged as much as I had hoped for and didn't carry the puck as often as this team needed. He did make several high end offensive plays including setting up Kidney for a great scoring opportunity which Kidney rang off the post. Mailloux was not on the first power play unit, which I found surprising, as both Norlinder and Farrell were largely ineffective manning the points. I suspect that as Mailloux gains confidence, his offensive skills will emerge. Finally, If I was managing the team, I would tell this kid to stop trying to be the team's policeman on the ice. It's nice that he stood up for his teammates and even engaged in a fight, but that is not his game. The team was two goals behind and needed his offensive prowess on the ice and not in the penalty box. This kid needs to be spoken to. Before he gets hurt again.

Roy: This kid displayed great hands and scored the nicest goal of the game. Roy's offensive vision and skills are elite and his anticipation makes up for his obvious lack of end to end speed. The question remains whether those skills will translate well at the next level where the game is played at a much faster pace .

Kidney: As I earlier posted, this young player, who was playing his first professional game, was surprisingly effective if not impressive. Kidney showed much better speed and puck carrying abilities than what I expected. He showed anticipation, skill and a level of quickness which allowed him to create more offensive chances than most, more experienced Laval forwards. I had to check several times as to who the #21 was playing for Laval. If his progression and development continues, this kid makes the NHL. Easily.

Heineman: Similarly to Norlinder, after a series of strong exhibition games with the senior team, I was expecting Heineman to have a much more positive presence against this level of competition. He didn't. Similarly to Farrell, Heineman was largely ineffective and unnoticeable. Both were outplayed by players on the Rockets last night who are projected to be career AHLers (or at best, fringe NHLers). It was, however only one game, so any final conclusions about these two players, or, for that matter, any other players referenced in this post, should be held in abeyance.

Just my thoughts.
 
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I watched the game and here are my quick assessments of only the players who I believe the team and the fans have realistic hopes of one day being part of the Canadiens in the future:

Norlinder; For an experienced player who showed so much promise during the main team's exhibition games and should have been a dominant player against this level of competition, Norlinder was largely ineffective and unnoticeable. His play can best be described as disinterested.

Trudeau: As some here have posted, it was just an all round bad game ( really bad) for this young defenceman. He gave away the puck on multiple occasions which directly led to goals against, made poor reads all over the ice and allowed opposing forwards to beat him to the net also resulting in goals against. As the game progressed, Trudeau tried too hard to make up for his errors which only compounded his ineffectiveness. It was only one game and nothing too much should be read into his unexpectedly poor performance. This kid has enough talent to play in the NHL.

Struble: One of a number of players last night who surprised me with their overall effectiveness. Struble was one of the team's most efficient/steady defencemen. He displayed strong skating, strength on his skates and good physicality. He killed penalties. He sealed off opposing players effectively and generally made the right read in all three zones of the ice. Along with Bisson, Struble was Laval's best defenceman.

Mailloux: For his first professional game, I thought Mailloux played as well as I had expected. As I have often posted, because of his lost development time, it will take Mailloux time to adjust to the pace of the game at the AHL level. Just as he had jitters at the start of the development camp, it will take him time to become comfortable at this level. Nevertheless, Mailloux made few errors defensively, made the right reads, closed the gap aggressively and displayed a level of conditioning that was much improved over what I witnessed during his final year at London. Offensively, Mailloux was not engaged as much as I had hoped for and didn't carry the puck as often as this team needed. He did make several high end offensive plays including setting up Kidney for a great scoring opportunity which Kidney rang off the post. Mailloux was not on the first power play unit, which I found surprising, as both Norlinder and Farrell were largely ineffective manning the points. I suspect that as Mailloux gains confidence, his offensive skills will emerge. Finally, If I was managing the team, I would tell this kid to stop trying to be the policeman on the ice. It's nice that he stood up for his teammates and even engaged in a fight, but that is not his game. The team was two goals behind and needed his offensive prowess on the ice and not in the penalty box. This kid needs to be spoken to. Before he gets hurt again.

Roy: This kid displayed great hands and scored the nicest goal of the game. Roy's offensive vision and skills are elite and his anticipation makes up for his obvious lack of end to end speed. The question remains whether those skills will translate well at the next level where the game is played at a much pace .

Kidney: As I earlier posted, this young player,who was playing his first professional game, was surprisingly effective if not impressive. Kidney showed much better speed and puck carrying abilities than what I expected. He showed anticipation, skill and level of quickness which allowed him to create more offensive chances than most, more experienced Laval forwards. I had to check several times as to who the #21 was playing for Laval. If his progression and development continues, this kid makes the NHL. Easily.

Heineman: Similarly to Norlinder, after a series of strong exhibition games with the senior team, I was expecting Heineman to have a much more positive presence against this level of competition. He didn't. Similarly to Farrell, Heineman was largely ineffective and unnoticeable. Both were outplayed by players last night that are projected to be career AHLers (or at best, fringe NHLers) on the Rockets. It was, however only one game, so any final conclusions about these two players, or, for that matter, any other players referenced in this post, should be held in abeyance.

Just my thoughts.
On Roy, I thought his speed was good yesterday. It didn't stand out as a negative to these eyes. His quick stick and crisp passes are ways for him to keep some speed in the play, if you get what I'm saying. Like you, I see how he sees the play if front of him. He's a natural, which is a hard skill to "explain".

I liked Struble a LOT too. The AHL game fits his game to a tee. He can display his strentgh and agression easily, but he does with a purpose. The good old "separate the puck from the player". Seemed very calm.

Others I won't comment on, I'll refrain from the criticism after one game. It's a young team in the AHL, first couple of months will be hard and cohesion will be lacking.
 

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Both had -3. You have pretty low standards if that's "okay" performance.

If you want to use the antiquated +/- stat, be my guest. But if you want to go into details, Simoneau and Heineman were on the ice for Abbotsford's empty net goal. A clear from their end of the ice.

Mailloux was -2, yet had a good game.

Roy was -1 despite having 2 points. That means he was on the ice for 3 goals against.

But please, tell me more about +/-.
 

Adam Michaels

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Well, Habs organization need goalies.... ironic that we have 3 goalies on NHL AND AHL rosters....

Probably why they selected 3 goalies this past draft.

As for the 3 goalies in the AHL, I think it's because Emond is still rehabbing from a hip surgery he had. So instead of sending him to 3R, they kept him in Laval to continue his rehab.
 

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If you want to use the antiquated +/- stat, be my guest. But if you want to go into details, Simoneau and Heineman were on the ice for Abbotsford's empty net goal. A clear from their end of the ice.

Mailloux was -2, yet had a good game.

Roy was -1 despite having 2 points. That means he was on the ice for 3 goals against.

But please, tell me more about +/-.
Heineman and Simoneau didn't have a good game and most of the time -3 isn't a coincidence. Both were completely unnoticiable. Why it's so damn hard to admit these things when they happen.
 

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Wow!!! I didn't know that Keanu Reeves' body double on John Wick 4 played for Brazil!!!
 

26Mats

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Yes, let's trade the team captain. :sarcasm:

We don't have too many AHLer in Laval. We will have injuries at the NHL/AHL level and both will impact Laval.

People arguing to trade vets either have short memories or don't know the AHL. We always end up with a bunch of suboptimal PTOs by January/February because our players are either up in the NHL or injured.

Davidson will get his time, I'm not worried.

I just wish we would normalize sending prospects in the ECHL as they wait.

There's always a balance of how many vets to have and how many young guys to have. You want to have a certain mix, others my see it differently.

But you need need to get sarcastic and condescending. It's what you do. Like it's difficult. Yeah, no captain has ever been traded. :sarcasm:
 

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