GDT: Game 1: Red Wings vs penguins 8:00 pm et 10/10/24

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Yeah, I honestly can't believe the Husso start. It's baffling. Last season Husso was so bad that we rode Lyon into the ground with exhaustion. Talbot was an actually effective goalie in the NHL. So to start this year, Husso is the starter, Talbot is the backup, and Lyon is the third goalie. Just baffling

Agreed. It's not like Husso played lights out and then got injured so deserves a shot at retaining the starting goalie position. I thought Talbot was going to get the nod.

 

[ricky0034]

90 to 100 points is the definition of bubble team to me. If you want to definitely be in you're looking at expecting 100+ minimum and no one has been here saying the Wings should definitely be a 100+ point team.

yeah that sounds pretty dead on as far as a range of being a bubble team goes to me

I wouldn't call an 85 point team a bubble team because there's no remotely realistic chance 85 points is enough to make it, same with 105 points and missing

 

[DoMakc]

What I want to see - and ASP can help here - the best teams in hockey have their defensemen constantly active - and their C's are working to interchange non-stop (Maybe not C, but F1) where you can utilize the channels from the point down into the slot - think Hedman, Makar, Fox - this is where I think we struggle. Larkin and Compher can be that F1 - Seider I don't see moving down as much - Ghost and Walman - they fit that mold - what we have now? I am hopeful that there is a new system that will take over from the one that has been on top the last 4-6 years and that is what Stevie is building - ultimately it is the systems that dominate and teams build for in their windows. We're entering a window and we will not likely be able to build how it's winning today. This is the same impact when the Avs came to dominance - they brought in Patrick Roy and he brought in the winning systems from Jr hockey and ran with it. What will be our catalyst? A superstar surely helps - but Florida was able to do it by moving out a star and bringing in another - the system, and the parts to fit the system were more important than the roster alone. - So what is our system? What separates us from other teams that we can build around and adjust pieces to fit with this core?

They did it at the beginning of the last season, issue was they had a lot of forwards who can cover for those activated D and also not careful enough with the puck. Their D is also quite slow for the most part so they cannot recover that easiliy. That resulted in a lot of dangerous odd man rushes against, so they stopped it. For each strategy/system you also need personal fit, and as long they still play Chiarot/Petry/Gustafsson with Tarasenko/Kane/DeBrincat i don't think it is agood idea. To answer your question better skating D and more defensively responsible/disciplined forwards.

 

[Dotter]

My take of the game.

I'm not throwing Husso under the bus on that game, but I won't ignore the fact he did let in one softie. I'd say Edvinsson was by far the worst player on the team and was a big reason why the wheels fell off. Team defense was the 2nd worst part of the night. The Velno/Berggren line looks horrid.

Husso and Edvinsson I think are slow starters. They'll both turn it around. I'm not a fan of Veleno and would be perfectly fine trading him for another NHL center project, or call up Kasper. I'd prefer Kasper stay in GR and drive the 1st line. I would hope there's a dumb team out there that would love to have Veleno, maybe he has trade value?

Opening season against the Pens who had their legs and were in their game #2. This game wasn't an indicator of the season, hopefully it'll be a positive motivating factor going forward. Let them take their lumps and get pissed off, so they can use it to be better!

Sucks losing, especially game 1 at home.... But there's nothing here to panic about.

 

[Dotter]

there's a reason he's played for half the league at 32 years old...

the reason: he's not very good

Weird, same can be said about Shayne Gostisbehere.

 

[ricky0034]

Yeah, I honestly can't believe the Husso start. It's baffling. Last season Husso was so bad that we rode Lyon into the ground with exhaustion. Talbot was an actually effective goalie in the NHL. So to start this year, Husso is the starter, Talbot is the backup, and Lyon is the third goalie. Just baffling

I kinda get the feeling that the Wings are maybe a little too influenced by the fact that Husso is making almost $5m this year

like yeah I get that it looks bad to be paying your #3 guy that much but the contract ends after this year anyways they need to get over it

 

[lilidk]

We have 3 goaltenders , Husso had bad game , now what.

 

[jaster]

We have 3 goaltenders , Husso had bad game , now what.

 

[cjm502]

This organization has seemingly had horrible goaltending evaluation/coaching for the better part of a decade. Aside from one year of Hot Jimmy and one year of Hot Petr our goaltending has left a lot to be desired, maybe Lyon can be the guy if we don't run him in to the ground again. The brass being higher on Husso then our other two is puzzling. If they are talking him up and hoping he plays well enough to boost his value to get a late round pick in a trade that's understandable, but other then that I'm not buying their BS.

 

[RedWingzz]

Weird, same can be said about Shayne Gostisbehere.

so replacing a shitty D for another shitty D is a good move?

 

[Snuggs]

90 to 100 points is the definition of bubble team to me. If you want to definitely be in you're looking at expecting 100+ minimum and no one has been here saying the Wings should definitely be a 100+ point team.

That's ok, it's subjective imo, teams that are in the 88-92 points seem to be on the bubble(in/out) if you get 93 points. Most years in the NHL, you're in the playoffs. I'll let you look yourself to see how many 93 points teams missed the playoffs in the last... 10-15 years. I know the answer but, people are better to look and realize themselves. Being told makes people uneasy.

True on the 2nd bolded.

 

[FlyguyOX]

so replacing a shitty D for another shitty D is a good move?

Don't forget trading away a solid top 4 guy in Walman who is pair 1 and PP1 for SJS

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Walman was a healthy scratch and this defense was cheeks with him.

Not sure why some are so hung up on him.

 

[ricky0034]

That's ok, it's subjective imo, teams that are in the 88-92 points seem to be on the bubble(in/out) if you get 93 points. Most years in the NHL, you're in the playoffs. I'll let you look yourself to see how many 93 points teams missed the playoffs in the last... 10-15 years. I know the answer but, people are better to look and realize themselves. Being told makes people uneasy.

True on the 2nd bolded.

10 teams have missed the Playoffs with 93 points or more in the last 8 full seasons

 

[Snuggs]

10 teams have missed the Playoffs with 93 points or more in the last 8 full seasons

So if you do the math of the 16 teams that make the playoffs each year, in that 8 year span, if you got 93 or more points you had about a 8% chance of missing the playoffs. No it's not impossible but that's not exactly a bubble situation, to me(imo), you're more likely in than out.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Walman was a healthy scratch and this defense was cheeks with him.

Not sure why some are so hung up on him.

Yeah I don't miss Walman's play necessarily, but losing him for nothing definitely stings when this roster needs all the assets it can get.

That whole thing remains a mystery to me.

 

[norrisnick]

So if you do the math of the 16 teams that make the playoffs each year, in that 8 year span, if you got 93 or more points you had about a 8% chance of missing the playoffs. No it's not impossible but that's not exactly a bubble situation, to me(imo), you're more likely in than out.

Doing the math at 93+ includes all teams with 100+ which has no bearing on whether or not a 93 pt team is a bubble team or not.

 

[ricky0034]

So if you do the math of the 16 teams that make the playoffs each year, in that 8 year span, if you got 93 or more points you had about a 8% chance of missing the playoffs. No it's not impossible but that's not exactly a bubble situation, to me(imo), you're more likely in than out.

as norrisnick said this is silly

by that same exact logic if you got 85 or more points you only had a 28% chance of missing the Playoffs

if you had 70 or more points you had a 42% chance of missing the Playoffs

does that mean real bubble teams at at like 65 points? because that's probably about where it crosses 50% with the way you're looking at things

 

[jaster]

Don't forget trading away a solid top 4 guy in Walman who is pair 1 and PP1 for SJS

Cool.

 

[Gniwder]

Walman was a healthy scratch and this defense was cheeks with him.

Not sure why some are so hung up on him.

He's soft and can't win a puck battle, but he's fast enough to compensate for having a shitty partner. Remember he made Oesterle look like he belonged in the NHL. If anything he's better than the 3rd pair. It's a really strange position where a D either plays first pair or healthy scratch.

 

[Coffees]

Trade for Marcus Pettersson

 

[cvaicunas]

Every single one of Copp, Compher, Holl, Chiarot, Petry, Fischer are bad to replacement level players. Kane is washed and has been washed and we keep acting like he’ll put up 90 points again. Tarasenko, as I said, is a Perron level 3rd line at this point and not a viable top 6 forward.

Kane is washed? He put up a PPG last year off a surgery deemed a likely career ender..... Sign me up for more washed players than I guess.

 

[RedHawkDown]

You’re going way overboard here.

Compher, Sprong, Kane, Ghost, Tarasenko, are/were all clearly positive adds in my book.

Maatta and Chiarot are fine.

The only bad signings we’ve done in my opinion are probably Copp and Holl.

I don’t think bad contracts or signings are the problem. I think not doing more to upgrade the blue line and making questionable lineup decisions is what is holding us back. But there is time to fix that still.

We’re at the cap. It is impossible to “do more to upgrade the blue line” because of the signings you just said are fine. There have been bad signings made in lieu of good ones, that’s my point.

I still really believe in the future of this team because I think or young players are fantastic and have tons of potential, but the consistent filling of the team with washed up vets is very frustrating.

 

[Snuggs]

as norrisnick said this is silly

by that same exact logic if you got 85 or more points you only had a 28% chance of missing the Playoffs

if you had 70 or more points you had a 42% chance of missing the Playoffs

does that mean real bubble teams at at like 65 points? because that's probably about where it crosses 50% with the way you're looking at things

Norrisnick huh? Kudos if you listen to him.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

If you only look at the box score, the Wings blue line will always make it look like your goalie is complete trash.

Last night was more of the same. Moderately aggressive forecheck causes the Wings to cough up the puck and let the opposing team cycle, which leads to more puck possession and more time chasing the puck.