GDT: Game 1: Red Wings vs penguins 8:00 pm et 10/10/24

[Henkka]

Here is one more I don't get. I understand the value of Christian Fischer and I can see value in Tyler Motte.

I don't see the value in having both. This is similar to what they did last year doubling down on crap with Holl and Petry which helped keep Ed down. They are basically the exact same player, around 30 point grinders. The two of them on the roster are going to keep Kasper down. Would rather one be gone and Kasper on the roster.

There was nothing wrong at Bottom6 lines.

Our Top6 did suck bad.

Maybe Kasper is the answer for that.

 

[Ezekial]

I think the worst time to play a team on a second leg of a btb is when it's your first game and their second game of the season.

Team D needs to be improved upon but it's way too early to make assumptions about the team as a whole after this game.

 

[opivy]

I just came to read a handful of reactions, and it reconfirmed how exhausted of most of you I am. The one guarantee is that this is going to be a miserable place to be for the rest of the season.

Its only a few and a gang trying to talk about talking points and not whinging points.

Pittsburgh looked horrible in the first and a bit of the second—they pounced on a few loose ones and turned them into a snowball. I was very positive after the first - thought we limited chances and created many of our own - the first line looked very strong with puck possession. Then we hit a powerplay and somehow fell apart. We got MANY looks uncontested in the slot - and to Henkkas point I saw much of it from the lower lines - the issue I had was we slammed the puck right into the goalies chest.

 

[opivy]

What I want to see - and ASP can help here - the best teams in hockey have their defensemen constantly active - and their C's are working to interchange non-stop (Maybe not C, but F1) where you can utilize the channels from the point down into the slot - think Hedman, Makar, Fox - this is where I think we struggle. Larkin and Compher can be that F1 - Seider I don't see moving down as much - Ghost and Walman - they fit that mold - what we have now? I am hopeful that there is a new system that will take over from the one that has been on top the last 4-6 years and that is what Stevie is building - ultimately it is the systems that dominate and teams build for in their windows. We're entering a window and we will not likely be able to build how it's winning today. This is the same impact when the Avs came to dominance - they brought in Patrick Roy and he brought in the winning systems from Jr hockey and ran with it. What will be our catalyst? A superstar surely helps - but Florida was able to do it by moving out a star and bringing in another - the system, and the parts to fit the system were more important than the roster alone. - So what is our system? What separates us from other teams that we can build around and adjust pieces to fit with this core?

 

[JediOrderPizza]

My fear is that we have seen this exact thing from them all of last season. So I'm not as hopeful for the improvement over the course of the season because well we didn't get it last time.

If we had new defenders just trying to gel then sure, but that's not the case.

 

[RedWingzz]

Can we be honest about Gustafsson? Like, that narrative that he’s not as good offensively/on the PP as Ghost, but is better defensively? BS. The jury is still out on his offense imo, but defensively he’s no better whatsoever.

there's a reason he's played for half the league at 32 years old...

the reason: he's not very good

 

[ShanahanMan]

Already an assist tonight and leading the Sharks in ice time

Unreal

 

[The Red Line]

I'm not hitting the panic button after 1 game, but it would have been nice to beat a team on the second half of a back to back playing a rookie goaltender.

Definitely a lot to clean up - Edvinsson was down right bad. Gustavsson was even worse. The sloppy turnovers and overall possession game was awful in the 2nd and 3rd. Husso let in one of the worst goals I've ever seen.

I did think Debrincat looked great, Raymond was skating hard, and Larkin had his moments too.

I am definitely worried about the defense and goaltending, let's hope they figure out some of the team defense and that Talbot and Lyon both come to play.

It's only 1 game, plenty of time to figure it out but hopefully they do it soon before they're in a hole.

 

[HisNoodliness]

All of our pro scouting is garbage. Almost all the guys we signed are bad

I'm more or less okay with our forward pro-scouting. For scoring wingers, I think we're great honestly. Kane and Debrincat have proven to be great additions. Tarasenko will follow suit this season IMO.

For centers, I think we're fine. I don't love Copp but I feel like the team needed him at the time, he was paid a reasonable salary and has more or less performed as well as could have been expected. I feel similarly about Compher, but he's a little better.

Bottom 6 forwards, we've done fine.

For defense though? Maatta and Ghost lived up to their positions and salaries. Besides them it's just disaster after disaster. To be this bad at choosing defense UFAs you have to be good at identifying quality NHL defenseman and choose to actively avoid them.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

All of our pro scouting is garbage. Almost all the guys we signed are bad

Should we be happy when the team is trash? Wtf do you expect from people on a message board ?

We have fallen so far. MAKING the playoffs is like WINNING a Stanley cup now smh.

 

[lhsgolf19]

Unreal

Your special Sharks blew a 4-1 3rd period lead and lost in OT

 

[Frk It]

I'm more or less okay with our forward pro-scouting. For scoring wingers, I think we're great honestly. Kane and Debrincat have proven to be great additions. Tarasenko will follow suit this season IMO.

For centers, I think we're fine. I don't love Copp but I feel like the team needed him at the time, he was paid a reasonable salary and has more or less performed as well as could have been expected. I feel similarly about Compher, but he's a little better.

Bottom 6 forwards, we've done fine.

For defense though? Maatta and Ghost lived up to their positions and salaries. Besides them it's just disaster after disaster. To be this bad at choosing defense UFAs you have to be good at identifying quality NHL defenseman and choose to actively avoid them.

Clearly we stuck at evaluating goalies. Sorry for beating a dead horse, but if you think Husso is our best goalie to start game 1 then you are shit at evaluating the position.

Defense has been a mixed bag. I just don’t get how they didn’t view adding a Roy/Pesce level guy as absolutely necessary. Or why they wouldn’t pursue someone like Chychrun via trade.

 

[SoupNazi]

Your special Sharks blew a 4-1 3rd period lead and lost in OT

“Unreal”

 

[ShanahanMan]

Your special Sharks blew a 4-1 3rd period lead and lost in OT

Looked better than us.

And Walman was their best defender:

 

[HisNoodliness]

Clearly we stuck at evaluating goalies. Sorry for beating a dead horse, but if you think Husso is our best goalie to start game 1 then you are shit at evaluating the position.

Defense has been a mixed bag. I just don’t get how they didn’t view adding a Roy/Pesce level guy as absolutely necessary. Or why they wouldn’t pursue someone like Chychrun via trade.

Yeah, I honestly can't believe the Husso start. It's baffling. Last season Husso was so bad that we rode Lyon into the ground with exhaustion. Talbot was an actually effective goalie in the NHL. So to start this year, Husso is the starter, Talbot is the backup, and Lyon is the third goalie. Just baffling

 

[Frk It]

Yeah, I honestly can't believe the Husso start. It's baffling. Last season Husso was so bad that we rode Lyon into the ground with exhaustion. Talbot was an actually effective goalie in the NHL. So to start this year, Husso is the starter, Talbot is the backup, and Lyon is the third goalie. Just baffling

Makes me question their ability to evaluate talent as a whole.

 

[FMichael]

wait, are we paying seider 8.5 million but he’s still having to run the second PP?

Well duhhh...

Playing him 1st pp unit would see him racking up pts and giving him leverage for his next contract negotiations

 

[JediOrderPizza]

I didn't have a problem with Husso starting since he was the better guy in the preseason. That rebound he kicked out is eh, and that glove wiff obviously gotta have that.

But the way the defense played I think we still lose with whichever of the three.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Yeah, I honestly can't believe the Husso start. It's baffling. Last season Husso was so bad that we rode Lyon into the ground with exhaustion. Talbot was an actually effective goalie in the NHL. So to start this year, Husso is the starter, Talbot is the backup, and Lyon is the third goalie. Just baffling

Think of them as 1A, 1B, 1C going into the season and it becomes a lot less baffling.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Makes me question their ability to evaluate talent as a whole.

It shouldn’t be a question at this point.
Almost every single one of this management’s FA signings and recent trades have been bad.

Every single one of Copp, Compher, Holl, Chiarot, Petry, Fischer are bad to replacement level players. Kane is washed and has been washed and we keep acting like he’ll put up 90 points again. Tarasenko, as I said, is a Perron level 3rd line at this point and not a viable top 6 forward.

Walman was traded for and ended up being trash. Bert wasn’t retained and is doing well. Husso is bad. Ned was bad.

Gustafsson is not who he was in Chicago, Maatta is also a shell of himself. The roster is full of really bad veterans and coached by a dunce.

Steve Yzerman seems to be good at drafting and very good at re-signing our own players to team friendly contracts (Seider, Raymond). His FA work is piss poor, and his overall pro scouting has been trash in his 5 years here. If this team again misses the playoffs / regresses this year, not sure how you all can continue to defend the “Yzerplan”.

 

[ShanahanMan]

It shouldn’t be a question at this point.
Almost every single one of this management’s FA signings and recent trades have been bad.

Every single one of Copp, Compher, Holl, Chiarot, Petry, Fischer are bad to replacement level players. Kane is washed and has been washed and we keep acting like he’ll put up 90 points again. Tarasenko, as I said, is a Perron level 3rd line at this point and not a viable top 6 forward.

Walman was traded for and ended up being trash. Bert wasn’t retained and is doing well. Husso is bad. Ned was bad.

Gustafsson is not who he was in Chicago, Maatta is also a shell of himself. The roster is full of really bad veterans and coached by a dunce.

Steve Yzerman seems to be good at drafting and very good at re-signing our own players to team friendly contracts (Seider, Raymond). His FA work is piss poor, and his overall pro scouting has been trash in his 5 years here. If this team again misses the playoffs / regresses this year, not sure how you all can continue to defend the “Yzerplan”.

You know I actually don’t think our goaltenders are that horrible. A lot of these guys leave Detroit where they struggled and end up being successful other places. I think it’s simply a shit defense in front of them, leaving the goalies out to dry. I can’t remember watching any other teams that give up so many grade A scoring opportunities in the slot. Just absolute horrid defense and it’s been that way for years.

 

[RedHawkDown]

You know I actually don’t think our goaltenders are that horrible. A lot of these guys leave Detroit where they struggled and end up being successful other places. I think it’s simply a shit defense in front of them, leaving the goalies out to dry. I can’t remember watching any other teams that give up so many grade A scoring opportunities in the slot. Just absolute horrid defense and it’s been that way for years.

That’s also a factor but this team has been unable to identify great goalies as well. That’s problem going back all the way to Holland era. We never really had an elite goalie other than Hasek.

This team had a very high PDO last year and won many games as a result. The roster is now worse than last year. We’re due for a regression, and it’s going to be ugly because we aren’t even giving the kids playing time to learn from the losing.

 

[Frk It]

It shouldn’t be a question at this point.
Almost every single one of this management’s FA signings and recent trades have been bad.

Every single one of Copp, Compher, Holl, Chiarot, Petry, Fischer are bad to replacement level players. Kane is washed and has been washed and we keep acting like he’ll put up 90 points again. Tarasenko, as I said, is a Perron level 3rd line at this point and not a viable top 6 forward.

Walman was traded for and ended up being trash. Bert wasn’t retained and is doing well. Husso is bad. Ned was bad.

Gustafsson is not who he was in Chicago, Maatta is also a shell of himself. The roster is full of really bad veterans and coached by a dunce.

Steve Yzerman seems to be good at drafting and very good at re-signing our own players to team friendly contracts (Seider, Raymond). His FA work is piss poor, and his overall pro scouting has been trash in his 5 years here. If this team again misses the playoffs / regresses this year, not sure how you all can continue to defend the “Yzerplan”.

You’re going way overboard here.

Compher, Sprong, Kane, Ghost, Tarasenko, are/were all clearly positive adds in my book.

Maatta and Chiarot are fine.

The only bad signings we’ve done in my opinion are probably Copp and Holl.

I don’t think bad contracts or signings are the problem. I think not doing more to upgrade the blue line and making questionable lineup decisions is what is holding us back. But there is time to fix that still.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

I didn't see the game but Husso got the hook. So... goaltending still an issue I guess?

Or were they getting shelled due to crap defense? (I know, i know... probably both)

 

[Frk It]

I didn't see the game but Husso got the hook. So... goaltending still an issue I guess?

Or were they getting shelled due to crap defense? (I know, i know... probably both)