Fowler’s mom doesn’t even think he’s better than Augustine. You need to give it up
G Trey Augustine - Michigan State, NCAA (2023, 41st, DET)
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Fowler’s mom doesn’t even think he’s better than Augustine. You need to give it up
Fowler might finish ahead of him but he shouldn’t. Augustine has nowhere near the talent around him, much more impressive season.
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Wouldn't expect him to run out the clock to UFA, South Lyon Michigan native, wants to play for the Red Wings. Yzerman would have to botch the goalie situation/timelines even further for it to get to that point.
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Maybe he wants to keep his options open in case Cossa grabs the spot and runs with it... He could force his way into a more favorable situation to become a #1. Not saying it is likely, but these NCAA players have that option.
We all understand it’s a possible path, it’s just that a kid who grew up a wings fan is highly unlikely to go that route.
He’s not playing NHL next season either way, so it’s really no big deal. He prefers more development time in college to an extra year in the AHL.
If he doesn’t sign with Wings after next season, it becomes a bigger deal.
If he doesn’t sign with Wings after next season, it becomes a bigger deal.
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There's no reason for a goaltender to sign an ELC before 3 seasons in college. It's not like they get promoted to the NHL at young ages in any event.
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People forget the kid just turned 20 years old. It was always a coin flip if he would turn pro and when they acquired Mrazek with a contract for next season, the writing was on the wall that Trey and the Wings had likely already made their decision.
There’s always been a good bet Augustine would never see Grand Rapids. He’s a natural goaltender. The best we’ve seen since Carter shaft. They don’t need to grow into their bodies like the new breed of goalies that need 3-4 years of development. He was always going to use college for 2 or 3 years and try coming straight into the NHL at 22-23.
That’s where things still stand.
Also tells me the Spartans are going to load up on CHL and portal players, and maybe the Gavin McKenna talk isn’t just talk in East Lansing.
So definitely don’t count Sparty out to land Gavin McKenna. Especially now, knowing he has an elite goaltender to play with.
There’s always been a good bet Augustine would never see Grand Rapids. He’s a natural goaltender. The best we’ve seen since Carter shaft. They don’t need to grow into their bodies like the new breed of goalies that need 3-4 years of development. He was always going to use college for 2 or 3 years and try coming straight into the NHL at 22-23.
That’s where things still stand.
Also tells me the Spartans are going to load up on CHL and portal players, and maybe the Gavin McKenna talk isn’t just talk in East Lansing.
So definitely don’t count Sparty out to land Gavin McKenna. Especially now, knowing he has an elite goaltender to play with.
Fowler is from the same draft but just signed his ELC that starts in 2025-2026.
He'll play in the AHL on a try out in the next week...
Weird that Augustine doesn't do the same.
He'll play in the AHL on a try out in the next week...
Weird that Augustine doesn't do the same.
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Not too weird.
Detroit would have likely put him in the ECHL like they did with Cossa. I’d rather play ncaa hockey and have a shot at the championship than playing in Toledo for peanuts.
It should come down to how well you’ve played in the NCAA. If you have been great to dominant then you do want to set yourself up to be challenged.
The other aspect is coaching. If he feels that the mich St goalie coach is really helping him I can understand wanting to stay.
Life at a big ncaa program in east Lansing is likely nicer than at Grand Rapids. But, that’s part of the development for a goalie, playing in the A and handling a workload of 3 games in 5 nights.
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I think it comes down to Augustine wanting to go back to State due to unfinished business & a logjam in Grand Rapids & Detroit at the goaltender position. Augustine wasn't going to be a 1/2 or majority starter in Grand Rapids in 2025-26, and the possibility of having to go to the Coast and play in Toledo for awhile isn't attractive. He'll sign next spring after State is done and be in Grand Rapids full time in 2026-27.
Augustine wants to be a Red Wing so Wings fans should not be concerned until proven otherwise. Yzerman just can't clog the goalie depth chart any further past 2025-26.
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Cossa is probably still in G-R for at least a lot of the year as he has one more year on his ELC. I know AHL goalies are usually rotating since it's back to backs most of the time but nonetheless MSU just makes sense for Augustine.
Fowler is also a late 2004 born, while Augustine is an early 2005 born. Fowler is a year ahead in his hockey development.
Dumbest argument on HFB
You know when they both started playing hockey? Maybe Augustine had an extra year at 4 years old you don't know about? lol
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It has to do with when they entered minor hockey and then junior. 2004 = junior eligible in 2020-21, 2005 = junior eligible in 2021-22.
Has to be noted that the late birthdays are amongst the youngest in the hockey birthyear so they start further behind those born at the beginning of the birth year. But the late birthdays have the extra year to improve their resume before being drafted.
And yet here we are where Augustine has magically already become a better goalie with this huge setback of not playing mostly crappy U18 hockey in 20-21 as opposed to U15/U16 or whatever it looks like he played that year.
I don’t think it’s the biggest deal in the world, but it’s not nothing.
Fowler is a little older and has played an extra year of competitive hockey. That is true and might help explain why one is ready to come out of college and play in the AHL and the other isn’t.
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Fowler:
2024-25: NCAA
2023-24: NCAA
2022-23: USHL
2021-22: U18 AAA/USHL
2020-21: U18 AAA
Augustine:
2024-25: NCAA
2023-24: NCAA
2022-23: NTDP
2021-22: NTDP
2020-21: U16 AAA
My guess is at the end of the day it's just a preference amongst the players themselves and the team that drafted them and not harkening back to their development curve tied to their PeeWee days or a 3-month age gap.
2024-25: NCAA
2023-24: NCAA
2022-23: USHL
2021-22: U18 AAA/USHL
2020-21: U18 AAA
Augustine:
2024-25: NCAA
2023-24: NCAA
2022-23: NTDP
2021-22: NTDP
2020-21: U16 AAA
My guess is at the end of the day it's just a preference amongst the players themselves and the team that drafted them and not harkening back to their development curve tied to their PeeWee days or a 3-month age gap.
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Smart by Augustine.
Why come up and get stuck behind Cossa?
Go play one more year in the NCAA then you can have the AHL starter's job the following year as Cossa will be NHL by then.
Why come up and get stuck behind Cossa?
Go play one more year in the NCAA then you can have the AHL starter's job the following year as Cossa will be NHL by then.
I suspect next year when he wants to come out he’s going to ask for an NHL spot. There’s no sense in coming out after your junior year to play a year in the AHL if you can play that season in the NCAA and then field offers from every team around the league with surely at least a handful or two offering a sure NHL spot.
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