Value of: G - Dan Vladar
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Empoleon8771
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He has a career .899 save%, why would he have any sort of notable value?
tsujimoto74
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I think you have a different definition of “starter” than most people.
Vladar is better than his numbers. Playing back up for Dutter is basically goalie purgatory. Whoever gets Vladar won't be sorry. I'd rather find a way to move Markstrom by far. 6'5", very quick. Just needs reps.
SmoggyTwinkles
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Vladar was terrible from February on, as his only good game was against the last place Ducks, the rest was absolute shit from Vladar.
If I had to place an unbiased value on Daniel Vladar, his value is probably that of a 4th or 5th rounder at this time as his value has taken a hit by his recent performances and that’s being generous on my part.
In no way is Vladar a starter, except in the AHL which is where he might be headed via waivers, if he plays poorly and is outplayed by Wolf during training camp.
If I had to place an unbiased value on Daniel Vladar, his value is probably that of a 4th or 5th rounder at this time as his value has taken a hit by his recent performances and that’s being generous on my part.
In no way is Vladar a starter, except in the AHL which is where he might be headed via waivers, if he plays poorly and is outplayed by Wolf during training camp.
Tkachuk Norris
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He was good most of the season and yet rode the pine when Markstrom started to play at a passable level.
Vladar had a weird season. His sv % in games where the Flames were down or up by one, or tied was very high. In situations where the Flames were up by more than one goal it was abysmal.
He has too much potential and there is a serious lack of upcoming young goalies, I bet someone fires a 3rd or 2nd for his potential.
If Treliving was interested in a Flames goalie I'd suspect it would be Markstrom that's his guy.
Bounces R Way
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Sits at 25th in GAA over the last two years and started 50 games. Just better than Bobrovsky and Demko.
Mostly because he makes less than 2.5 for next season and the one after.
I'd much prefer moving Markstrom to Vladar. I'd move Markstrom for free. Vladar I'd want a 2nd or a 3rd and 4th.
Don't hate Markstrom. I just really like Vladar and don't want to move him before he breaks out. Wolf is also the best goalie prospect we've ever had.
Backlund
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I'd want a 3rd because that's what we paid for him. If the market is that bad though I'll settle for a 4th just because it frees up a spot for Wolf.
I like Vladar but Markstrom wont get moved and Wolf should be the future starter. If someone wants Markstrom I'd move him instead.
I like Vladar but Markstrom wont get moved and Wolf should be the future starter. If someone wants Markstrom I'd move him instead.
Anyone who can't even put up .900 in a Daryl Sutter system is probably a goalie I'd steer clear of.
Like the guy who finished 2nd in Vezina last year? Anyone who makes silly posts about Dutter is a poster I'd steer clear of. Last year every player on the team almost had career seasons. This year everyone except 3 players had abysmal seasons. Same coach.
No most of their team had normal seasons given their history aside from Poopydeau, 21-22 was a season where guys massively overperformed.
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That is not how this works.
I might be curious for the Sabres, though. Bad numbers, but from the little I’ve seen there’s actual potential. Idk, not sure if it’s better/worse than hoping UPL does anything.
He’s an OK backup, although I’d suggest you can find similar fungible goalies on the UFA market for less than his cap of $2.2MM per season.
but I expect someone would like him enough to give up a third for him.
but I expect someone would like him enough to give up a third for him.
We paid a 3rd to get him and has had 2 poor seasons in a row by the numbers. I can't see us getting the same return for him 2 years older and now having shown cracks in his upside.
Ledge And Dairy
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Vladar's SV% is heavily skewed by Calgary's top of the league shot suppression. A large portion of the goals that were scored against him were often from things like tips, rebounds, bad line changes, etc. This is also why Markstrom even though his game very visibly improved after his 1st child was born (Feb 27th) he still only posted a .901sv% in his final 20 games of the season. This is a very different situation from Georgiev vs Shesterkin last year where 1 was hands down the better goalie.
Eye test says he is a very capable goalie who absolutely has the potential to be a 1A/1B moving forward. If it weren't for Calgary being in a cap crunch and the Flames having the top goalie prospect in the league in Dustin Wolf, Vladar would almost certainly not be available.
I think people should really read this article that came out about him back at the end of January when he nearly stole the starting job from Markstrom. People on here tend to stat watch too much and it really shows in cases like this.
IMO Vladar's trade value is probably that of a mid late 2nd but I doubt he will return that. I think a 3rd + a relatively young depth prospect (23-27 years old), or a reclamation project is more of a reasonable return.
At the end of the day it all depends on the goalie market though. Vladar is cheap with term, and if he can provide 30-35+ good starts a season next year then I think there will be a few teams that are interested
Eye test says he is a very capable goalie who absolutely has the potential to be a 1A/1B moving forward. If it weren't for Calgary being in a cap crunch and the Flames having the top goalie prospect in the league in Dustin Wolf, Vladar would almost certainly not be available.
I think people should really read this article that came out about him back at the end of January when he nearly stole the starting job from Markstrom. People on here tend to stat watch too much and it really shows in cases like this.
IMO Vladar's trade value is probably that of a mid late 2nd but I doubt he will return that. I think a 3rd + a relatively young depth prospect (23-27 years old), or a reclamation project is more of a reasonable return.
At the end of the day it all depends on the goalie market though. Vladar is cheap with term, and if he can provide 30-35+ good starts a season next year then I think there will be a few teams that are interested
ManofSteel55
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The value of Dan Vladar starts and ends with whatever pick a GM is willing to offer for him, if there are any. He's an average backup. A dime a dozen goalie who hasn't shown he can be more than that. If another team has interest, a 3rd or 4th should be enough.
Ledge And Dairy
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Why? Vladar faced so few shots per game that any that actually got through to him were generally redirected, rebounds, or pretty high quality. One of the core parts of Sutter's system is shot suppression. The only goalies that faced less shots/60 were the 3 Carolina goalies and the 2 Seattle goalies. Markstrom only finished 2 more spots back from that (only David Rittich in Winnipeg between them, which is odd considering Hellebuyck was ranked 37th in SA/60).
Nanuuk
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I wouldn't say Calgary HAS to move a goalie. The Flames have been very lucky not to have suffered any injuries of note with their goaltenders.
Despite his relatively low numbers any Flames watchers will know Vladar will be a #1 goalie one day.
He ranked 53rd among goalies playing 500 minutes or more last season. His even strength Sv% was 0.906 and GAA was 2.41. At all strengths is where is numbers dipped (he was statistically tied with Markstrom).
So to expect a 2nd rounder for him is not out of the question in a straight up deal.
But adding him to the equation in a multi player deal could elevate his value.
