Good post. Anyone who has watched him sees the talent. If we HAVE to move a goalie and I believe we should. I'd prefer Markstrom. I get the no trade, I just wonder if Elias is leaving and Tanev is leaving whether he'd waive or not.
Not everyone. And it isn't hate IMO. Just an older vs. younger player mentality.
I think it depends on what Lindholm does. If he wants out then the Flames might waive the white flag and rebuild unless they can get another top first line center in a series of re-tool trades. If they can't replace Lindholm then I could see them trading Markstrom
People who have negative opinions are often more vocal than those who don't. Personally I think Markstrom is a much better mentor figure for Wolf. I also think with a prospect like Wolf you want to ease them into the NHL to take over a starting job a few years down the line, especially with his height. I look at Nashville and see a team that did a masterclass job at this with the transition of Rinne to Saros. While I like Vladar and see immense potential to become a legitimate 1A/1B I don't think he can currently handle the workload needed to shelter Wolf into the NHL.
Then you may wish to frequent other sites for additional views. And those posters that trash him suffer from the recency bias and also don't delve into his other stats.
A backup goalie with a career sub .900 sv% after 3 years for a 2nd? Shit a decent starter is often only worth a 2nd. That's insane ask
It's what I'd want. He's young, big, cheap and quick. He's poised for a breakout IMO. I'd be happy to keep him honestly. It's hard to post good numbers when the coach throws out any semblance of a goaltending plan and you'll go 2 months with no starts then get back to back starts. I think whoever gets Vladar will be very glad they did. We got a 2nd for the Calgary tower. Vladar is twice the goalie.
Not only that, but the Flames were very good at shot suppression. Often both goalies would go for long streches without any work and when they would finally get a shot or two they'd be of the high danger variety.
Maybe they include him in a Tanev trade to increase his return. Or whatever dman they move.
We got a 3rd for Rittich.
I don't think it is at all. Goaltending is the hardest thing to predict, but the most crucial thing to have. You'd think a Leafs fan would realize that by now
I put the wrong crappy goalie sorry. It was Retto Berra. If you can't see the parallel I'm not sure how to help you with that. I mean comparables are how everything in life from real estate to businesses are bought and sold.
Husso was a 3rd last year.We got a 3rd for Rittich.
We got a 2nd for Henrik Karlsson
We traded a 2nd for a goalie with a very similar profile, but less accomplished AND older. His name was Miikka Kipprusoff. Maybe you've heard of him.
Vladar is better and younger than all 3 guys I listed at time they were traded. He's well thought of when you listen to guys like Woodley who know a bit about goaltending.
I don't think it is at all. Goaltending is the hardest thing to predict, but the most crucial thing to have. You'd think a Leafs fan would realize that by now
He was 27 and is 6'2" and not as athletic as Vladar. Vladar is 25 and 6'5". I mean it's a valid debate and you could be correct his value is a 3rd. I just wouldn't trade him for that unless I couldn't convince Markstrom to waive. I'd rather give Markstrom away for free than get a 3rd for Vladar.
Sutter's system was horrendous for save percentage. His whole system was not letting the other team have possession, which led to very few goals against. But then there would be huge defensive breakdowns that would lead to grade A chances against. The number of shots the flames gave up was very low, but the number of odd man rushes was very high.
If Markstrom was average last year, the Flames defeat the Oilers in the playoffs last year and cruise into the playoffs this year.
If they got a 3rd I think they’d be real happy. Not sure they could get that, but it’s in the ballpark.
Husso was a week from hitting the UFA market. Vladar is 2 full years from that
To be fair, husso was a 3rd just for his rights. He was a pending free agent with no contract. They paid a 3rd just to be able to negotiate with him early which is a lot considering but they didn't want to gamble on him speaking to other teams.
I mean nothing you're saying is ridiculous. I just wouldn't move him unless I got a 2nd or a 3rd and a 4th. I know how highly goalie people view him. I honestly think it's likely that's what he brings.
