GDT: G:3 Avs @ Wild 7pm CT (BSN)

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If Rossi getting benched breaks his confidence he would've never been a regular anyways
Disagree. He could still be a regular, just with any form of creativity beaten out of him.

This is how you LIMIT offensive development. He's done nothing to earn being scratched, other than Deano not wanting to scratch someone who is really a problem.
This doesn't send any message other than, if YOU screw up, we'll scratch this young rookie who's trying to take your job!
 

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This is going to come across as paranoid, but the clip where they showed Rossi meeting BG and Evason to find out he made the team seemed to have some tension.

Maybe Evason and Guerin attribute Fiala’s breakout to their tough love strategy and now want to implement it on Rossi.


Or more likely is that we are all massively overreacting to a couple games where our goalie couldn’t save a beachball. We will see
 

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Disagree. He could still be a regular, just with any form of creativity beaten out of him.

This is how you LIMIT offensive development. He's done nothing to earn being scratched, other than Deano not wanting to scratch someone who is really a problem.
This doesn't send any message other than, if YOU screw up, we'll scratch this young rookie who's trying to take your job!
Do we know he was benched because of his creativity? Do we know he's being blamed for someone else's bad play?
 

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Do we know he was benched because of his creativity? Do we know he's being blamed for someone else's bad play?
He wasn't benched for it, but messing with an offensive player's confidence like this will result in that.

Of course he is. He played 4 mins on a scrub line. He's not even close to why the TEAM has played poorly.
 

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More than goaltending issues in the first two games...
No doubt, but the offense has been good enough that we could be 1-1 if our goalies would’ve stopped literally anything. And then it’s a different story. I think we have to give it a few more games but the cracks in foundation are definitely showing.
 

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Speculation, maybe, overreaction? Not really. What exactly did Rossi do to cause the TEAM to play so poorly while he was sitting on the bench?
Who says it has anything to do with the team or sending a message? Rookies get sat. It's not the end of the world and if it screws up his development, I agree with triple, he wasn't much of a prospect to begin with if a single game scratch destroys him.
 

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No doubt, but the offense has been good enough that we could be 1-1 if our goalies would’ve stopped literally anything. And then it’s a different story. I think we have to give it a few more games but the cracks in foundation are definitely showing.
We know our goaltending is below average. We knew that coming into tree season. We thus KNOW we need to play up to snuff defensively, thus be able to hide some of those faults. Instead we played TERRIBLE defensively and further exposed said faults.

We cannot throw this all on the goalies' shoulder, as we knew the limitations there in the first place.
 

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Who says it has anything to do with the team or sending a message? Rookies get sat. It's not the end of the world and if it screws up his development, I agree with triple, he wasn't much of a prospect to begin with if a single game scratch destroys him.
It's not about a single game, it's about a developing pattern.
 

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It is a matter of „how“ and „why“ somebody gets scratched. There seems to be a problem with communication or maybe the brass doesn’t really care to tell their rookie anything and go the „tough love“ route. Pretty bad approach after the feel good story of the preseason. This passage from Russo says a lot

If Rossi’s head wasn’t already spinning enough from that news, he was then told to leave the ice with the rest of Monday’s anticipated lineup, just in case he has to play if Zuccarello is unavailable.

“To be honest with you, I don’t know anything,” Rossi said when asked what the message was from the coaching staff when he learned he wasn’t supposed to play. “I’m trying not to focus too much about (my limited ice time the first two games). Just try the best I can. I know it’s tough, but there’s no other way than trying to be positive.”
 

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We know our goaltending is below average. We knew that coming into tree season. We thus KNOW we need to play up to snuff defensively, thus be able to hide some of those faults. Instead we played TERRIBLE defensively and further exposed said faults.

We cannot throw this all on the goalies' shoulder, as we knew the limitations there in the first place.
Defense wasn’t great last year either and we added a rookie offensive Dman to the mix and are missing a piece from our shutdown line. Not sure why you’d expect that to be so much better than the goaltending.
 

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If it becomes a pattern, you might have something. Right now, it's one game.
It's already becoming a pattern based on how he's been handled on the big club.

They'd be doing a better job across the board by having him on the top line in Iowa than the complete disservice he's getting here.
 
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The biggest issue has nothing to do with Rossi specifically and everything to do with the fact that you should be developing your players in places that they can succeed at what they do. That's why no one complained when Boldy broke in next to Fiala, because it was the right spot for him to be to succeed with the way he plays the game. They are NOT giving Rossi the same courtesy. If you're not going to play him in offensive roles with other offensive players, send him to Iowa where he can play that role.

And scratching him after playing 15 minutes over 2 games makes no sense either. You're now either punishing him for your stupid coaching decisions, or you think swapping out your 4C is gonna solve all the issues that had nothing to do with your 4C.

Stop jerking the kid around. What happened to Guerin saying they're gonna play guys in the roles they should be in? That's why Addison is on the PP right? If you don't think he's ready for the top six, don't carry him on the roster.
 

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Defense wasn’t great last year either and we added a rookie offensive Dman to the mix and are missing a piece from our shutdown line. Not sure why you’d expect that to be so much better than the goaltending.
Defense was MUCH better than you're giving them credit for last year. They hid terrible goaltending rather well.
 

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The biggest issue has nothing to do with Rossi specifically and everything to do with the fact that you should be developing your players in places that they can succeed at what they do. That's why no one complained when Boldy broke in next to Fiala, because it was the right spot for him to be to succeed with the way he plays the game. They are NOT giving Rossi the same courtesy. If you're not going to play him in offensive roles with other offensive players, send him to Iowa where he can play that role.

And scratching him after playing 15 minutes over 2 games makes no sense either. You're now either punishing him for your stupid coaching decisions, or you think swapping out your 4C is gonna solve all the issues that had nothing to do with your 4C.

Stop jerking the kid around. What happened to Guerin saying they're gonna play guys in the roles they should be in? That's why Addison is on the PP right? If you don't think he's ready for the top six, don't carry him on the roster.
Well said. I've been trying to say the same, but maybe wasn't wording it correctly.
 

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It's already becoming a pattern based on how he's been handled on the big club.

They'd be doing a better job across the board by having him on the top line in Iowa than the complete disservice he's getting here.
No its not. It's an overreaction on here.
 
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Rossi was certainly not good in his minutes in either game and made several rookie mistakes, him sitting for a game while the team pulls their heads out of their rear ends is not a big deal at all. Did other guys make mistakes too? Absolutely, but lineup changes get made when you have performances like that, and a rookie with less than a handful of games is always going to be the one drawing the short straw. When the Wild and Rossi are playing well and he isn’t getting ice time opportunities is when I would be worried, but right now, neither of those things are happening.

The videos and interviews with coach, GM and player have all clearly stated that they are going to try and do what is best for the players development above all, but plenty of posters here seem to think that they alone know what a specific player needs more than the people that work with him daily and have a vested interest in seeing him succeed.
 

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The videos and interviews with coach, GM and player have all clearly stated that they are going to try and do what is best for the players development above all, but plenty of posters here seem to think that they alone know what a specific player needs more than the people that work with him daily and have a vested interest in seeing him succeed.

If it's plenty of people then they're not quite alone are they
 

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Rossi was certainly not good in his minutes in either game and made several rookie mistakes, him sitting for a game while the team pulls their heads out of their rear ends is not a big deal at all.
He's being thrust into a role his strengths aren't designed for. Then are surprised when his game isn't a fit there?
 
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He's being thrust into a role his strengths aren't designed for. Then are surprised when his game isn't a fit there?

Rossi was always touted as defensively strong so this isn't all true. He isn't a pure offensive top 6 or bust type.
 
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