Future POWERHOUSE -- yay or nay?

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You can have all the leadership you want, but if you don't have high end players coming into your lineup you won't win anything.
Vegas pretty much blew that theory out the water when they reached the SCF with their band of rejects in their first season.

The talent level of the team needs to be good enough, reach a threshold.

2-3 star players are usually enough if the rest of the team is balanced, but by no means does star power get you there alone … queue the Toronto jokes.
 
Vegas pretty much blew that theory out the water when they reached the SCF with their band of rejects in their first season.

The talent level of the team needs to be good enough, reach a threshold.

2-3 star players are usually enough if the rest of the team is balanced, but by no means does star power get you there alone … queue the Toronto jokes.
I agree star power won't get you there alone, but talent is the foundation of winning and the most important factor.

Leadership isn't quantifiable. There is no basis for determining if team X has more leadership than team Y, thus any supposition that Vegas had success because of it is pure theory.
 
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I agree star power won't get you there alone, but talent is the foundation of winning and the most important factor.

Leadership isn't quantifiable. There is no basis for determining if team X has more leadership than team Y, thus any supposition that Vegas had success because of it is pure theory.
Sorry, wasn’t clear … leadership as in GM and Coach to build and develop something special from the individual parts.
 
Could be, could not be. A championship team was not built on draft picks alone. It’s going to take some shrewd moves by Blake to get the right roster makeup to get over the hump.
 
Vegas pretty much blew that theory out the water when they reached the SCF with their band of rejects in their first season.

The talent level of the team needs to be good enough, reach a threshold.

2-3 star players are usually enough if the rest of the team is balanced, but by no means does star power get you there alone … queue the Toronto jokes.

Fleury has had ups and downs, but he’s absolutely been a star/elite player in his Vegas years. Wild Bill potted 40 that year as well. There’s only like four 40 goal scorers per season most years. So crazy.

FWIW, I agree with your point, it’s just always crazy to look back on the absolute benders some guys were on for that Vegas team.
 
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Fleury has had ups and downs, but he’s absolutely been a star/elite player in his Vegas years. Wild Bill potted 40 that year as well. There’s only like four 40 goal scorers per season most years. So crazy.

FWIW, I agree with your point, it’s just always crazy to look back on the absolute benders some guys were on for that Vegas team.
Cocaine and PEDs helped.
 
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There's also a lot of luck involved in building a championship team.

The Penguins are the most successful team of the cap era. They got Crosby based on luck.
 
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There's also a lot of luck involved in building a championship team.

The Penguins are the most successful team of the cap era. They got Crosby based on luck.
If I recall correctly they blatantly tanked to get the best odds .
 
Yes, yes we will be a future powerhouse. No, not in 5 years or more but in less. I would give our kids 3 years to bring us to the powerhouse level.
 
As has been said, it depends on prospect development, but a lot of that isn't just on the prospects to be honest. The other side of the coin that doesn't get mentioned as much is the training & development staff, the coaching staff, and the front office.

They have to work with these guys to get them there and respond accordingly to give them that chance. I don't mind the steps that Blake has chosen to make the roster more competitive and insulate some of the prospects, but they have created some pretty tight and ridiculous logjams and they have to be ready at a moments notice and successfully convert some of this future capital they've saved up into wins and success on the roster.

I don't want to see Kaliyev on the bottom 6, like ever. The kid requires the same treatment that Arvidsson will receive in being cemented to a top 6 center and given every opportunity to do what he's done his entire career. I know the onus put on any NHL player not to be a liability, but you have to take into account that some players are just extraordinarily gifted in certain ways and their f***ing job, in the end, is to exploit that gift to the max.

I want to see more prospects given a chance and put in situations to succeed, not just toil on the fourth line get 4 minutes of ice time, and get sent down with 0 points and a -1. The roster has a lot of stopgaps on it, it is going to be up to TMac and Blake to manage this in a non-cluster f*** sort of way and see what we have in some of these kids and move them or others as need to continue to get better and not just flip some for a 6th when they fail.

TMac has a tremendous weight on his shoulders because he needs to balance this ship perfectly and make sure it sails straight as it wobbles in both directions, and Blake's moves from here on out are going to be very critical to the teams immediate and future success. I don't envy either's situation.
 
That Pens team was an absolute horror show, though. IIRC their best player was Dick Tarnstrom and they were rumored to be on the move/sale, which is why that whole lottery always smells fishy.
Yeah, they were a mismanaged disaster, and they were rewarded for it with Malkin and Crosby. So their cap era success, to a significant degree, can largely be attributed to luck.

On the other hand Buffalo did a planned tank to get McDavid/Eichel, and they're still a disaster.

The universe is cruel.
 
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Yeah, they were a mismanaged disaster, and they were rewarded for it with Malkin and Crosby. So their cap era success, to a significant degree, can largely be attributed to luck.

On the other hand Buffalo did a planned tank to get McDavid/Eichel, and they're still a disaster.

Well, Washington won the 2004 lottery. Pittsburgh tanked when the worst they could pick was 2nd overall. Washington won and was able to get Ovechkin.

They definitely got lucky with Crosby. But luck was actually against them in 2004.

What was interesting is the NHL let them get 3 balls for the 2005 even though they picked first overall - the defense was they traded up (3rd overall + Kjell Samuelsson) to get 1st. Any other team who picked first or made the playoffs in a certain span lost a ball. Pittsburgh didn't have to.

This is why I'm a big fan of the current lottery system - teams can't expect to pick 2nd overall.

Teams need to have a degree of luck, but there are so many other factors. Edmonton hasn't done jack with all their first overall picks. Buffalo tanking to get McDavid, then falling down to get Eichel, just demonstrates you need a lot more than luck.
 
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Yeah, they were a mismanaged disaster, and they were rewarded for it with Malkin and Crosby. So their cap era success, to a significant degree, can largely be attributed to luck.

On the other hand Buffalo did a planned tank to get McDavid/Eichel, and they're still a disaster.

The universe is cruel.


Frankly I think the hockey gods have given both franchises exactly what they deserve for those utterly transparent attempts at said players. Don't need to say much about Buffalo, and despite Edmonton getting rained hockey talent from the gods, they just get mismanaged into the ground. Hell I frankly feel bad for both at this point!
 
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In the Summer of 2006 the Kings had a really nice looking set of prospects:
Johnson
Kopitar
O'Sullivan
Bernier (just drafted)
Lewis (just drafted)
Tukonen

The following summer they had a top 5 pick and landed Thomas Hickey.

Who could've guessed that nearly all these guys except Kopitar would turn out to be busts?

wonder which prospects will be dealt this time, and what the return will be.
 
Kings could become a "powerhouse"if they handle their prospects and players properly! Right now they have 20 Forwards vying for 14 spots and that's not counting 10-12 prospects in Ontario/College/Europe!And defense will have 7 NHL D-men with 3 others that have varying degrees of Pro experience at the NHL level! In all 10 D-men in competition for 7 jobs! On the goalie front no one in Ontario or in the graduating "classes" or Europe seems like a legit numero uno for LA! That's down the road of course! Quick has 2 years left,while Petersen is a UFA after the 2021-22 season!But Ranford and crew have made money outta the undraftable,so there is at least hope! On the "Offensive" front the Kings have themselves in a bit of a quandary! Right now is there are few jobs open because the holdovers will take up 10-12!And that's not counting Lizotte,and Lemieux. The players will have to decide what kind of player they are and what will their roles be and can they adapt to that role. Fierce competition is ahead and decisions on who to keep,who to trade and who to bring up from the "Farm" are awaiting! Now if we can get some future draft choices for the players and the Kings can keep the flow alive year after year like the 1970's Montreal Canadiens then the Los Angeles Kings can build a dynasty. Like the Lakers in years gone by,like the Dodgers and hopefully like the Rams are trying to do!Not sure what the Clippers are doing or the Galaxy,cause just not into Soccer(European-Football-Soccer),whatever you call it!
 
In a couple years the Kings went from dead last to #1 in consecutive years. Thank you Rob Blake! What an incredible job he's done rebuilding a completely desolate pipeline.
I think the scouts,Mark Yannetti,Mike Futa,Christian Ruuttu have to be given the Lions share of the congrats! Good to have Hawk Eyes!!!May they never deceive you!!!
 
Time will tell. The current management has shown the ability to draft well, but not yet build an overall roster.

I also look back to when Grebeshkov was the next Lidstorm, and Cammy, Frolov, Aulin and Lehoux were can't misses.


To the first point yeah, I think that's what many of us are nervous for. What does Blake's 'next step' look like?

That being said, to the second point, not so much at you directly but a general observation--I wish people would stop using the early 2000s drafts as a reference point when ESPECIALLY relative to draft position the Kings are, by every metric, one of the best drafting teams in the league in any slice of the last 15 years. THAT is what gives us hope--that the drafting team is now happy with what they've done and built a list 4x greater than they ever have before!
 
Hell, that's an example of why things are much better now. Grebeshkov was a mid first rounder and didn't pan out here and was traded. Frolov and Cammy were actually good players, just not a fit for DL's plan. Late first round and mid second round picks. Aulin was a mid 2nd rounder with a ruined shoulder and Lehoux was a 3rd rounder. The fact that we were banking on so many players to be much better than their draft position is why that era of Kings hockey stunk, along with catastrophic injuries.
 

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