Future of the team is incredibly bleak

[Donnie740]

Yeah, they're scoring a lot less.

The forwards are basically the same as last year. Sub out Bertuzzi, Gregor and Dewar from game 7 and put in Laughton, a hopefully-not-healthy-scratched Robertson and a healthy McMann (assuming nobody else gets injured, and well, Matthews clearly already is and just playing through it).

We've been told this revamped D core with limited puck moving ability is going to win more close games in the playoffs. A healthy Stolarz is certainly an upgrade over playoff Samsonov so let's hope he doesn't tweak anything chasing for the division title.

Casual observers and novice fans will assume that since Toronto still has their core group of players the results will therefore be the same.

They don’t comprehend how much of a boat anchor Bozo the Keefe was to this team. Now that Toronto finally has a competent professional coaching, the Leafs can finally move forward in the playoffs.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Each mistake compounds the next mistake. Dubas had no foresight now we have Traveling brutally overpaying for Laughton. They are gambling because they have no choice. They have 2 to 3 years to raise the prices and then sell Leaf fans on the we are going to suck, for 5 years, but with our new 14 year old gm wonderkid we can't possibly screw up again plan.Its brilliant really.

 

[kevsh]

Now that Toronto finally has a competent professional coaching, the Leafs can finally move forward in the playoffs.

Sounds like a MLSE marketing line. Now what you say may be the case but I'll wait until I see it first.

So far, statistically, they aren't a major improvement from years past. They still dangle/ east-west too much. They're still prone to embarrassing efforts (see San Jose x 2), their best goal scorer isn't scoring much, they have literally no scoring depth outside of Robertson in games after he's been a healthy scratch, and the unmeasurable concern about how much all that losing is in their heads.

 

[Antropovsky]

So Leafs probably don't have enough to re-sign Marner, Tavares and Knies:

How our team aligns vs Tampa for the foreseeable future:

7 players: Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Knies, Reilly, Woll, Tanev @ 62.42 million

Vs

8 players: Kucherov, Hagel, Point, Cirelli, Guentzal, Hedman, Vasy, Paul @ 61.4 mill

 

[ToneDog]

So Leafs probably don't have enough to re-sign Marner, Tavares and Knies:

How our team aligns vs Tampa for the foreseeable future:

7 players: Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Knies, Reilly, Woll, Tanev @ 62.42 million

Vs

8 players: Kucherov, Hagel, Point, Cirelli, Guentzal, Hedman, Vasy, Paul @ 61.4 mill

My math says you are allocating $22m for Marner and Knies which is $2-3m heavy IMO. I also think they easily sign Tavares for around $6.5-7m.

 

[ITM]

So Leafs probably don't have enough to re-sign Marner, Tavares and Knies:

How our team aligns vs Tampa for the foreseeable future:

7 players: Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Knies, Reilly, Woll, Tanev @ 62.42 million

Vs

8 players: Kucherov, Hagel, Point, Cirelli, Guentzal, Hedman, Vasy, Paul @ 61.4 mill

I can't help but think with Stolarz's play that Woll becomes a necessary trading chip and unless Reilly resumes his playoffs quality of a couple of seasons ago, movement is possible there as well.

How I wish we had used Laughton's price on Walman and Zetterlund to create much needed depth at position.

 

[Antropovsky]

My math says you are allocating $22m for Marner and Knies which is $2-3m heavy IMO. I also think they easily sign Tavares for around $6.5-7m.

I think we'd be pretty darn lucky if Knies signs for 8 or less and Marner for 12 or less. Both are headed for RFA/UFA.

 

[Sypher04]

I think we'd be pretty darn lucky if Knies signs for 8 or less and Marner for 12 or less. Both are headed for RFA/UFA.

Knies should be bridged. 8 years will be too expensive

 

[Confucius]

I think we'd be pretty darn lucky if Knies signs for 8 or less and Marner for 12 or less. Both are headed for RFA/UFA.

It certainly is the time for corporate season ticket holders to band together and offer those large advertising contracts to players. With one stipulation of course that they play NHL hockey in the GTA,

 

[Donnie740]

So Leafs probably don't have enough to re-sign Marner, Tavares and Knies:

How our team aligns vs Tampa for the foreseeable future:

7 players: Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Knies, Reilly, Woll, Tanev @ 62.42 million

Vs

8 players: Kucherov, Hagel, Point, Cirelli, Guentzal, Hedman, Vasy, Paul @ 61.4 mill

You keep forgetting that the Leafs finally have a competent GM negotiating contracts now.

Unlike the incompetent clown before Treliving who was constantly getting fleeced in contract negotiations. Almost as badly as he got fleeced in trades.

 

[Jojalu]

You keep forgetting that the Leafs finally have a competent GM negotiating contracts now.

Unlike the incompetent clown before Treliving who was constantly getting fleeced in contract negotiations. Almost as badly as he got fleeced in trades.

I don't remember the consensus being the Nylander and Matthews contracts being all that good.

 

[BraveCanadian]

You keep forgetting that the Leafs finally have a competent GM negotiating contracts now..

They do?

 

[Apex Predator]

You keep forgetting that the Leafs finally have a competent GM negotiating contracts now.

Unlike the incompetent clown before Treliving who was constantly getting fleeced in contract negotiations. Almost as badly as he got fleeced in trades.

I don’t mind Tre as GM so far but that is debatable.

 

[notbias]

Casual observers and novice fans will assume that since Toronto still has their core group of players the results will therefore be the same.

They don’t comprehend how much of a boat anchor Bozo the Keefe was to this team. Now that Toronto finally has a competent professional coaching, the Leafs can finally move forward in the playoffs.

Berube has a single good season, the season where he had no training camp, was brought in half way through, and therefore had the least amount of influence on the team.

Why did this amazingly competent coach get worse when he had time to implement his systems?

A genuine question that no one seems to be able to answer.

 

[Donnie740]

I don't remember the consensus being the Nylander and Matthews contracts being all that good.

That’s not surprising at all, since most people here need the benefit of hindsight to recognize good moves or bad moves.

But now we can see that Treliving got good value with the Matthews contract and phenomenal value with the Nylander contract.

In comparison, look at what Dumbass has done to the Penguins:

Erik Karlsson - - 4 years at $11.5 AAV
Ryan Graves - - 6 years at $4.5 AAV
Tristan Jarry - - 5 years at $5.375 AAV

What a catastrophic disaster for Pittsburgh.

 

[Jojalu]

That’s not surprising at all, since most people here need the benefit of hindsight to recognize good moves or bad moves.

But now we can see that Treliving got good value with the Matthews contract and phenomenal value with the Nylander contract.

In comparison, look at what Dumbass has done to the Penguins:

Erik Karlsson - - 4 years at $11.5 AAV
Ryan Graves - - 6 years at $4.5 AAV
Tristan Jarry - - 5 years at $5.375 AAV

What a catastrophic disaster for Pittsburgh.

Both Matthews and Nylander are slightly operpaid.

Nylander has a chance to bring value halfway through when everyones contract jumps up.

Dubas didn't sign Karlsson and he can still be moved.

Jarry and Graves are terrible.

Time will tell if Brad can help this group get over the hump.

I like the goalie situation and the defense so he is on the right track.

 

[Donnie740]

Dubas didn't sign Karlsson and he can still be moved.

And that’s what makes the debacle even worse - - it’s bad enough to have Karlsson’s boat anchor contract, but Dumbass gave up assets for the “privilege” of taking it on.

Who in their right mind would be willing to trade for such a terrible contract? Pittsburgh would have to give away more assets just to find a team they could dump Karlsson on.

 

[Jojalu]

And that’s what makes the debacle even worse - - it’s bad enough to have Karlsson’s boat anchor contract, but Dumbass gave up assets for the “privilege” of taking it on.

Who in their right mind would be willing to trade for such a terrible contract? Pittsburgh would have to give away more assets just to find a team they could dump Karlsson on.

Eat salary most likely.

Pit isn't going to win for awhile, but one thing they do have is a tonne of picks in the next couple of drafts.

 

[Roo]

lol

What a difference a couple weeks make huh. This is the most optimistic I’ve seen leaf nation in a long time.

 

[Maple Leaf]

lol

What a difference a couple weeks make huh. This is the most optimistic I’ve seen leaf nation in a long time.

Now they will show us if they are a contender or a pretender

 

[Commander Clueless]

lol

What a difference a couple weeks make huh. This is the most optimistic I’ve seen leaf nation in a long time.

Well the idea was about what happens in the future. Not so much the present season.

There's still a weird, potentially rough off-season ahead with not much in the cupboard.

But who wants to talk about that now? We got a playoff run to watch! GLG!

A deep run would certainly relieve a lot of fears.

 

[stats1]

Where does this come from? Is this another therapeutic moment or is self-hating just a common part of Leaf Fandom.

It drives me crazy that people on hockey forums pretend to "know things". We have no idea how our prospects will shake out. I think that hockey fans just use a calculator to evaluate prospects pools: "Chicago has drafted in the 1st round for 9 years straight. Therefore, they are going to be a dynasty in 4 years. Toronto missed drafting in the 1st round for 3 years. Therefore, Toronto are going to miss the playoffs for several years.


Potential is not definitive. Treliving will have to pivot if MM and JT won't sign. So be it. Much of this team is intact for quite a few years.

This ^ one of those draft picks went for a 28-29 year old Carlo. He’s got like another 7-8 years of solid hockey left. We got a 30 year old Laughton. Like sure we lack picks but we also got actual legit players in their prime. The Leafs are going to be fine for a while still. Plus the cap is going up so it frees up some space to fill in holes. There’s many ways of developing a team and making a roster than just hoarding draft picks and sucking for a decade

Also for the folks who are upset we lack picks and prospects, there’s no turning back now. I expect Treliving to keep trading picks and prospects until we win the cup lol only way things change is when the core starts to age out and you gotta re-start things

 

[ashs]

Been a beauty of a season, let's keep it going boys.

 

[Apex Predator]

I don’t care if the future is bleak as long as they win it this year!

 

[Confucius]

This ^ one of those draft picks went for a 28-29 year old Carlo. He’s got like another 7-8 years of solid hockey left. We got a 30 year old Laughton. Like sure we lack picks but we also got actual legit players in their prime. The Leafs are going to be fine for a while still. Plus the cap is going up so it frees up some space to fill in holes. There’s many ways of developing a team and making a roster than just hoarding draft picks and sucking for a decade

Also for the folks who are upset we lack picks and prospects, there’s no turning back now. I expect Treliving to keep trading picks and prospects until we win the cup lol only way things change is when the core starts to age out and you gotta re-start things

But if you keep your picks you don’t have to bottom out for ten years. Anyway it’s the same story every year, too late now we are going for it.