Future of the team is incredibly bleak
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seems like you're the one losing sleep over a dime a dozen prospect
least of our worries
It's only looking bleak because they're unwilling to make necessary changes to the core.
People are running out of things to blame to shield the core. Who is left? Keefe is gone. Dubas is gone. Even the head scout is gone. Previous supplementary players are gone. So many trade deadline acquisitions have come and gone. Might as well blame the fans next and change us to put everyone out of their misery.
The reality is simple.
They need to walk away from Marner, Tavares, and probably Rielly too (if he waives). It's time. If they lose in the 1st or 2nd round this season, you simply walk away from at least 2/3 and not even think about negotiating with them. It's a straight out the door sendoff.
They need to change the dynamic of their core group.
I would say the same even if the core was McDavid, Draisaitl, Makar, and Hughes because results matter. Chemistry matters. Sometimes guys just don't work together and the Leafs management has had this smacked across its face for multiple years yet refuses to accept reality.
People are running out of things to blame to shield the core. Who is left? Keefe is gone. Dubas is gone. Even the head scout is gone. Previous supplementary players are gone. So many trade deadline acquisitions have come and gone. Might as well blame the fans next and change us to put everyone out of their misery.
The reality is simple.
They need to walk away from Marner, Tavares, and probably Rielly too (if he waives). It's time. If they lose in the 1st or 2nd round this season, you simply walk away from at least 2/3 and not even think about negotiating with them. It's a straight out the door sendoff.
They need to change the dynamic of their core group.
I would say the same even if the core was McDavid, Draisaitl, Makar, and Hughes because results matter. Chemistry matters. Sometimes guys just don't work together and the Leafs management has had this smacked across its face for multiple years yet refuses to accept reality.
This puts into perspective the truth that players are worth different amounts to different teams, though value is often treated as a constant.
Marner may be worth 12M to some teams, but how much is he worth to Toronto? Ranta was worth 12M to Canes and Stars, but not to Avs.
And these types of decisions aren't made on AAV rounding errors, they're significant.
Is it really likely that we take a step back opening up 22M (more factoring a Marner raise) to replace JT and Marner? This isn't the same thing as Oilers losing McD or Drai, or Avs losing Mack, or Tampa losing Kuch, or Bruins losing Pasta. The value to team is very different.
I'm more worried about our 2C than I am Marner (Avs probably feel good replacing 75% of their offensive quarterbacks + Necas), and ideally we dont have to after squeezing JT into a discount.
Marner isnt the offensive cornerstone of this team, and if he is, then it's all for naught anyways.
Didn't he sing for the Leaf Pistols?
"Is it really likely that we take a step back opening up 22M (more factoring a Marner raise) to replace JT and Marner?"
I think $21M to keep them is a safe assumption. Sorry, I just can't.
The common perception is Marner has another gear over Nylander and is better defensively. You may not agree but most do.
32 GM’s would pay more for Marner than Nylander. You can laugh at my popular opinion if you want but you and I both know it’s not because Marner has fans - he’s very unpopular. He’s also an elite winger
Elite as long as the games don’t get rough. The real problem is we have 4 of those guys in the core eating up over 50% of the cap and that is a huge problem. Teams could absorb 1 player like that and be successful but not 4 as the last 8 years have shown
I think those 4 players are here under the false perception by management that the Leafs are an actual contender
Well you can't undo it though. None of them were flipped at the deadline.
Every GM in the league attempts to win. Save for Boston. Everyone here keeps talking about TOR as though the season is over. Let's see how this plays out.
If TOR won every game post deadline, you wouldn't even see a thread like this.
What's the worst that can happen? They lose in the playoffs? So what.
We can blame the core, Dubas, Treliving, Babcock, Keefe, Berube, Lou whoever but at the end of the day Shanny has been the one who's been here from the start and we haven't come close to accomplishing the ultimate goal, so he needs to be the one who wears the most blame.
He kept doubling and tripling down on this group of players and so far it's been shown to look better on "Paper" than actually produce in reality.
We can obviously still finish the regular season strong and go on a run in the playoffs but this is starting to look like just more of the same, that when the games get bigger and the intensity gets ramped up. our best players just can't rise and carry the team to victory against other elite teams consistently.
He kept doubling and tripling down on this group of players and so far it's been shown to look better on "Paper" than actually produce in reality.
We can obviously still finish the regular season strong and go on a run in the playoffs but this is starting to look like just more of the same, that when the games get bigger and the intensity gets ramped up. our best players just can't rise and carry the team to victory against other elite teams consistently.
I agree that we can’t undo it. Mistakes were made and no going back. As far as them losing in the playoffs being “so what” you are absolutely correct. It is not a life altering event for any of us. It is however an annoyance for fans of a sports team especially when it has been the same year after year. What’s been consistent is every year the leafs flame out early, I get my hot rods out of the shop and enjoy a summer of fun.
He’s looking like a 30 goal power forwars
The future of the team is clearly not bleak.
We still gave
27 year old top 3 center (when healthy)
The second leading goal scorer and a 90 goal winger
An emerging 30 goal pwf
And some depth peices.
We have a solid (not perfect) D. Rielly is off.
We have 27 million dollars to fill 3 forward spots.
We haven’t lost Marner yet.
Washington looked bleak last year, Winnipeg looked bleak. They are the top 2 teams in the league. Ottawa and jersey have been the future for about 5 years now.
This is still a good team. I will be livid if we lose Marner for nothing. But it’s a good team.
As the cap rises there will be less and less
Teams that can afford 115, 125, 130 million dollars in salary.
We still gave
27 year old top 3 center (when healthy)
The second leading goal scorer and a 90 goal winger
An emerging 30 goal pwf
And some depth peices.
We have a solid (not perfect) D. Rielly is off.
We have 27 million dollars to fill 3 forward spots.
We haven’t lost Marner yet.
Washington looked bleak last year, Winnipeg looked bleak. They are the top 2 teams in the league. Ottawa and jersey have been the future for about 5 years now.
This is still a good team. I will be livid if we lose Marner for nothing. But it’s a good team.
As the cap rises there will be less and less
Teams that can afford 115, 125, 130 million dollars in salary.
I think you're wrong on this lol. If the Leafs happened to win the cup there would still be someone complaining about something. That's just the way it goes here. I don't know why I even open these threads because there's not much intelligent discussion anymore. The same people that are on here complaining about everything would be the first people riding the bandwagon when the leafs make a run at it.
Well i ll give pelley a chance .he may have more balls than it seems
Ted rogers takes over in july ,but likley has his peices in place
My guess u canvass the world find the the best president /gm u can find to run a 2.3 billion dollar hockey club
Don't worry, this thread will disappear if the Leafs win their next 4 games, and then re-appear when they lose another game after that.
Very little tradable future assets (picks and players)
A line-up that still has too many flaws
Overpaid contracts on the books for the foreseeable future.
Salary Cap issues due to being so top heavy
Sadly, I could go on, but I think we all see the big issues on the team. Even bigger issue I suppose is that there is no easy fix here nor do I have any faith in Management to even try to do so.
A line-up that still has too many flaws
Overpaid contracts on the books for the foreseeable future.
Salary Cap issues due to being so top heavy
Sadly, I could go on, but I think we all see the big issues on the team. Even bigger issue I suppose is that there is no easy fix here nor do I have any faith in Management to even try to do so.
Loool show me proof of that that sounds like your opinion and your perspective doesn’t mean it’s wrong but that just doesn’t prove anything at all my friend you gotta do better than that Hes an elite forward that forgets Hes elite lol who wants that look at the second line we made for him last game specifically for him he gets catered to put him with Matthews put him with Tavares hell some people even want to put him with nylander sounds like the defensemen version of rielly only he can actually defend
# fire marner into the 
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