NHL Entry Draft Future Draft Watch

[Loach]

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I went size.

The numptys at The Athletic did the mock draft. Wheeler, Pronmann and some other dude. Using their knowledge of teams, they had Ottawa using the 1rst on a goalie that I don't think has ever been mentioned anywhere in our threads.

 

[BondraTime]

The numptys at The Athletic did the mock draft. Wheeler, Pronmann and some other dude. Using their knowledge of teams, they had Ottawa using the 1rst on a goalie that I don't think has ever been mentioned anywhere in our threads.

Pronman is a hack

Taking a goalie with their only 1st for the next 2 years with their prospect pool would be absolutely insane

 

[Stuzchuk]

I havent followed a whole lot of junior play since the WJC but @ 22 someone like Blake Fiddler (WHL - RHD) or Benjamin Kindel (WHL - RW) would be decent if still available.

 

[Loach]

Pronman is a hack

Taking a goalie with their only 1st for the next 2 years with their prospect pool would be absolutely insane

I agree. I heard him for the first time last year on an Athletic Draft Preview show. He lost hia shit and got all bitchy whiny when anybody disagreed or challenged him. It was pretty pathetic. Josua Ravemsberger is the kids name the picked.

 

[BondraTime]

I agree. I heard him for the first time last year on an Athletic Draft Preview show. He lost hia shit and got all bitchy whiny when anybody disagreed or challenged him. It was pretty pathetic. Josua Ravemsberger is the kids name the picked.

He’s a very good goaltender.

Sens just have no skaters in their pool, and have no 2nd this year or 1st next year. They can’t use a 1st on a goalie

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[GoodinOsgoode]

He’s a very good goaltender.

Sens just have no skaters in their pool, and have no 2nd this year or 1st next year. They can’t use a 1st on a goalie

Yeah, the last time Sens drafted a Goalie in the first round (15th OA) was Mathieu Chouinard in 1998.

He went unsigned and went back into the draft in 2000 and then they drafted him again with a 2nd round pick.

Chouinard ended up playing a total of 2 minutes in the NHL, for the LA Kings in 2003-04 (wonder if that might be an NHL record?)

We would be best to not draft a goalie in the first round of the draft.
Not this year anyway.

 

[bert]

The numptys at The Athletic did the mock draft. Wheeler, Pronmann and some other dude. Using their knowledge of teams, they had Ottawa using the 1rst on a goalie that I don't think has ever been mentioned anywhere in our threads.

Its actually unbelievable. A team that has one position covered for at the very minimum 4 years with a very young promising goalie knocking on the door. That has prospect depth no where else. That needs help sooner than later takes a goalie. Beyond lazy analysis. Id never take a goalie in the first 3 rounds personally.
Really disappointing.

 

[Masked]

Its actually unbelievable. A team that has one position covered for at the very minimum 4 years with a very young promising goalie knocking on the door. That has prospect depth no where else. That needs help sooner than later takes a goalie. Beyond lazy analysis. Id never take a goalie in the first 3 rounds personally.
Really disappointing.

I'm a fan of the drafting the best player approach. Except when it comes to goalies. They're too hard to predict because the position is so much about the mental aspect and it's so hard to develop more than a small number at a time.

 

[bert]

I'm a fan of the drafting the best player approach. Except when it comes to goalies. They're too hard to predict because the position is so much about the mental aspect and it's so hard to develop more than a small number at a time.

Yeah as am I but goalies take way too long and are too unpredictable. To an extend big D men are the same, unless a guy is going to college or is already very skilled I dont love picking those players either. They often make it on there 2nd or 3rd team they dont peak until their late 20's. Mikkola for example.

 

[aragorn]

I wonder if the Sens find a way to make a deal with Nashville to trade back 1st OA (maybe make a package out of this to acquire a player from Nashville as well) for 26th & 35th OA? This would help Ott not sure it would help Nashville unless they have two players they covet in this range. I'd love to see Ott add Jack Nesbitt C & Henry Brzustewicz RD, Nesbitt has 2nd line centre potential & could fit on the 3rd line within a couple of yrs & Henry could be a fit on our 2nd pairing RD in a few yrs, two good adds.

 

[Micklebot]

Its actually unbelievable. A team that has one position covered for at the very minimum 4 years with a very young promising goalie knocking on the door. That has prospect depth no where else. That needs help sooner than later takes a goalie. Beyond lazy analysis. Id never take a goalie in the first 3 rounds personally.
Really disappointing.

Well, there is a line of thought that we will be losing Merilainen to the expansion draft, so you can potentially assume they think he's not on the team moving forward

I still wouldn't take a goalie in the first round, but there are times it can work out (Price, Vasilevski, Ottenger, ect.)

 

[aragorn]

Well, there is a line of thought that we will be losing Merilainen to the expansion draft, so you can potentially assume they think he's not on the team moving forward

I still wouldn't take a goalie in the first round, but there are times it can work out (Price, Vasilevski, Ottenger, ect.)

I'd make Ullmark available & protect Merilainen & if they want a goalie it will cost them $8 mil which seems a little crazy for an expansion team unless the NHL allow another Vegas like start to an expansion team. That frees up $8 mil to find another goalie & maybe a player depending on who is available. We'll see this yr if Ullmark had a weird yr or that is who he is & that will make the decision much easier for management.

 

[Micklebot]

I'd make Ullmark available & protect Merilainen & if they want a goalie it will cost them $8 mil which seems a little crazy for an expansion team unless the NHL allow another Vegas like start to an expansion team. That frees up $8 mil to find another goalie & maybe a player depending on who is available. We'll see this yr if Ullmark had a weird yr or that is who he is & that will make the decision much easier for management.

Likely can't make Ullmark available, he has a full NMC

 

[PlayersLtd]

I'd make Ullmark available & protect Merilainen & if they want a goalie it will cost them $8 mil which seems a little crazy for an expansion team unless the NHL allow another Vegas like start to an expansion team. That frees up $8 mil to find another goalie & maybe a player depending on who is available. We'll see this yr if Ullmark had a weird yr or that is who he is & that will make the decision much easier for management.

That is a very dubious plan. An expansion team would gladly pay $8M for a bona fide starter and Ullmark is almost guaranteed to be the best of the crop. Since good goalies are rarely available at UFA you'd be running with Merilainen and a dice roll on whatever 1B type guy might be available.

That would be a very unnecessary self inflicted wound.

Anyway, what is this expansion draft we are talking about??

 

[dumbdick]

I want Bryce Pickford this draft. He's the guy. Go get him steve.

 

[bert]

Likely can't make Ullmark available, he has a full NMC

This makes me sad.

 

[PlayOn]

The NHL expanding to 36 teams by 2030 as reported is going to be tough in a lot of ways.

I don’t know if they will alter the expansion rules somewhat and offer more protection, but that is like 4 players we are going to lose for nothing in the span of like 4 years.

Team really has to stock up on depth in the coming years.

 

[BondraTime]

The NHL expanding to 36 teams by 2030 as reported is going to be tough in a lot of ways.

I don’t know if they will alter the expansion rules somewhat and offer more protection, but that is like 4 players we are going to lose for nothing in the span of like 4 years.

Team really has to stock up on depth in the coming years.

Throwing away 3/4 years worth of drafts is absolutely killer for the team moving forward, it's going to be felt bigtime over the next 3/4 years

The fact they had one of the best drafts ever in 2020 (that's even missing on 33rd) is saving their bacon bigtime

 

[PlayOn]

Throwing away 3/4 years worth of drafts is absolutely killer for the team moving forward, it's going to be felt bigtime over the next 3/4 years

The fact they had one of the best drafts ever in 2020 (that's even missing on 33rd) is saving their bacon bigtime

They need a couple of these mid-late picks from the past few drafts to pan out and then obviously need to have some big drafts coming up.

At some point I don’t think it would be the worst idea to move a player out for some extra picks in a position where we develop depth. It’s hard to do now as we’ve had too many holes, but maybe down the road it could make sense if you have a few more options in free agency.

 

[BondraTime]

They need a couple of these mid-late picks from the past few drafts to pan out and then obviously need to have some big drafts coming up.

At some point I don’t think it would be the worst idea to move a player out for some extra picks in a position where we develop depth. It’s hard to do now as we’ve had too many holes, but maybe down the road it could make sense if you have a few more options in free agency.

I’m not sure what working out will mean for the Sens with regards to additions or improvements to the roster. The easiest thing to sign is vet guys for a million-ish bucks who can play 50/60 games a year in the bottom 6 like Cousins.

I think Yakemchuk is literally the only player in the system who has a role/potential to play top 4/top 6, and obviously his potential is extremely high.

I think it would be great for Moore or Eliasson or Ellinas to work out, but if they do, what do we have? Another Cousins, another Gilbert?

It seems as though they just aren’t even trying at drafting top 6/top 4 guys outside of Yak since 2020. He’s legitimately the only pick whom I’d say was a guy who was taken as a potential top 4/top 6 guy. 26 guys taken from 21-24, and Yak and maybe Halliday are the only guys I’d say weren’t bottom of the lineup guys, and that’s with 5 picks in the top 50.

 

[aragorn]

I don't think it's as bad as people are making it out to be, the prospect pool is depleted because our best prospects are mostly on the team already & because our team is so young that gives the org more time to replenish the stock. We have also had several 1st RD players not work out & that hurts a small market team like Ott that depends on good drafting. From our prospect pool over the next couple of yrs I see Yak replacing Jensen, Merilainen replacing Forsberg, Zetterlund (trade) replacing Perron & Halliday replacing Gaudette. Most teams only graduating one or two players per yr & that is what we have been doing over the last few yrs.

Then I see a couple of internal moves such as, Cozens moving into Giroux's spot on the top line & Pinto moving into Cozens spot as this team's 2nd line Centre. IMO Greig could also move into the top six with Pinto since he too continues to improve all over the ice. With Giroux, Jensen & Perron leaving at some point that leaves money available to add in Free Agency to upgrade the lineup. I expect that Staois will add at least one UFA this summer & make at least one trade during the yr to upgrade another position. He could also make a deal at the draft & trade back for a 2nd RD pick. It's not doom & gloom with this team, they just came off a successful season where they made the playoffs & took the Leafs to 7 games.

Having a great prospect pool now is not that important & they have several guys in Belleville who can be temporary replacements when injuries occur. Most teams graduate only 1 or 2 players per season having more than that is usually an indicator that your NHL team is not very good. Most on here want another Stutzle in the pipeline, well that is very hard to do when you are drafting in the twenties where you mostly find middle tier players unless you get lucky with a player. Sometimes if they will come here you can acquire one through free agency or trade, but it is also difficult to find one through that process who wants to stay here. When your team improves & makes the playoffs the chances of getting elite players through the draft reduces substantially. The team is only two or three players away from being a SC contender, but they also need their goaltending to step up & earn their salary. We know how important goaltending is in the playoffs & for most teams it's the difference between moving on or dusting off the golf clubs.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Regardless, we need to try a draft skill approach. The Flames had a few seasons where they went for grit thanks to f***ing Sutter breathing down the higher ups neck, but Conroy has been drafting mostly based on IQ and skill ceiling, which is why they now have one of the stronger prospect pools in the league, and will continue to get better with the amount of picks they have.

 

[Masked]

I think it would be great for Moore or Eliasson or Ellinas to work out, but if they do, what do we have? Another Cousins, another Gilbert?

I thought guys like Moore and Montgomery were great, but really raw, athletes who the scouts are hoping the hockey sense will catch up to their athletic skills as they grow into their 6'4" bodies?

 

[bicboi64]

Regardless, we need to try a draft skill approach. The Flames had a few seasons where they went for grit thanks to f***ing Sutter breathing down the higher ups neck, but Conroy has been drafting mostly based on IQ and skill ceiling, which is why they now have one of the stronger prospect pools in the league, and will continue to get better with the amount of picks they have.

They get to draft 18th and 22nd overall and add to that prospect pool as well.

Wolf and Coronato will be regulars on the Flames. Parekh, Gridin, Basha, Battaglia, Honzek and Morin are in the pool and it'll only get better as long as Conroy doesn't go spending crazy. Flames had a good taste of what competitive hockey is like and they should still build their prospect base.