Post-Game Talk: From the jaws of defeat…

[Tobias Kahun]

Hopefully when debrusk goes to pick up his sons stuff in Boston, he stays there

 

[TheNumber4]

I know people critique KK loading up McDrai/Hyman but Bruins had just no answer to it. Resembled a PP anytime they were on ice. Bruins couldn't cope with this line and we were getting all kinds of scoring chances. bruins had first period then we just stormed the rest of the way.

Didn't think any of the other lines did much though. But for this game it seemed to work out loading up. Also with the score the Oilers had to start bending the Bruins and McDrai did in spades. Still laughing at Pasta turning puck over in NZ with two mins left and a lead, jumps off the ice and watches the Oilers tie the game on his brutal play. lol. You ain't winning nothing playing like that. Did the same thing in OT. Bruins star players were their worst players tonight.

It’s a WEAPON. There should be no reason we don’t use it. A coach would be negligent not use it when needed.

Making it a permanent fixture at the expense of the depth of our line up is an issue though. But Knob doesn’t do that. Cause Knob is a genius level coach and people need to start realizing that.

 

[Drivesaitl]

My issue is when he starts a game with them usually. If McDrai is used situationally, like Ozone faceoffs, after a PK or late in a game to get offence going, it's a powerful weapon. Just not a long term one, imo.

No, they shouldn't go with it longterm. Its a feel thing. KK would've known the team is just off tonight and first period showed that. McDrai as a cheat is pretty much a guarantee to start getting some Ozone body punching going on. Bruins were controlling that and the game until McDrai, and they couldn't handle it. Great read by KK because we probably lose tonight if he doesn't press that. I'll take it.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

About slightly below average if we go off his save percentage. Atleast he’s appropriately paid. And I don’t think the story of his development is over.

His slightly below average total save percentage is only like that because of his hot streak, he was the worst goalie in the league for the first 25 games of the year

 

[TheNumber4]

I always forget about the kings. I never think of them.

They could win 20 in a row and I give no shits. When push comes to shove, we will take that team out. An irrelevent team like the Flames.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

It’s a WEAPON. There should be no reason we don’t use it. A coach would be negligent not use it when needed.

Making it a permanent fixture at the expense of the depth of our line up is an issue though. But Knob doesn’t do that. Cause Knob is a genius level coach and people need to start realizing that.

I think Knob is a good coach but the team just doesn't get enough offense from the rest of their lineup. Like man advantage, 3on3/4on4 is fine but I'd rather not see them on the ice together 5on5.

 

[Drivesaitl]

It’s a WEAPON. There should be no reason we don’t use it. A coach would be negligent not use it when needed.

Making it a permanent fixture at the expense of the depth of our line up is an issue though. But Knob doesn’t do that. Cause Knob is a genius level coach and people need to start realizing that.

He's quite a good coach. So much more faith in him. Team has played their best defensive hockey in years. Or decades.

 

[FlameChampion]

It's getting there. He must be so conflicted. Playing on a contender and struggling like hell.

Hes been decently productive considering his role, ice time etc compared to majority of forwards on this team. But KK doesn’t trust him. I don’t think he fits on the team at this point. Not really sure what JJ plan was with this player. Makes me wonder if he even talked to KK before signing him.

 

[fireantz]

Hyman shot from the side boards, good things happen.
McDavid drives the net,get rebound,good things happen.
Can we drive the net and shot more to start a game please.
Playing with lead takes pressure off our defensive game not to mention us fans!

 

[Frank the Tank]

Always nice to grab 2 points. A game like that makes up for pissing away at least a point against Vegas in their first game.

 

[TheNumber4]

I think Knob is a good coach but the team just doesn't get enough offense from the rest of their lineup. Like man advantage, 3on3/4on4 is fine but I'd rather not see them on the ice together 5on5.

I always debate between systems and perssonnel when it comes to pure production. Alot of the times you hear coaches put it on execution, stuff that comes from ability. So I lean towards personnel.

And I think the Oilers view it this way too. Which is why they added more ability throughout the line up. They wanted Henriques more reliable production over Mcleod, and they wanted Skinners proven production ability down there as well.

Keep in mind, it’s not only Knob era coaching that has had bottom 6 scoring issues. We’ve seen it with TMac, Tippet, and Woody.

 

[iCanada]

It’s a WEAPON. There should be no reason we don’t use it. A coach would be negligent not use it when needed.

Making it a permanent fixture at the expense of the depth of our line up is an issue though. But Knob doesn’t do that. Cause Knob is a genius level coach and people need to start realizing that.

I also think that we didn't have depth before so like... McDavid on Draisaitl's line meant the bottom of our lineup suffered.

But like tonight, we had a multi time 30 goal scorer lined up with a two guys that have scored 15 goals multiple times in the last 4 years on the fourth line.

Fundamentally different than it used to be.

 

[TheNumber4]

He's quite a good coach. So much more faith in him. Team has played their best defensive hockey in years. Or decades.

I lean towards decades lol. If you really think back…

 

[MoontoScott]

He was garbage…again

Not in the last 2 periods. He kept them in it.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I always debate between systems and perssonnel when it comes to pure production. Alot of the times you hear coaches put it on execution, stuff that comes from ability. So I lean towards personnel.

And I think the Oilers view it this way too. Which is why they added more ability throughout the line up. They wanted Henriques more reliable production over Mcleod, and they wanted Skinners proven production ability down there as well.

Keep in mind, it’s not only Knob era coaching that has had bottom 6 scoring issues. We’ve seen it with TMac, Tippet, and Woody.

You're right about depth scoring issues but those coaches would also fall back on the nuclear option with mixed results. Ideally McDavid, Draisatl, and RNH are all centering their own lines. Team seems much more dangerous.

 

[TheNumber4]

I also think that we didn't have depth before so like... McDavid on Draisaitl's line meant the bottom of our lineup suffered.

But like tonight, we had a multi time 30 goal scorer lined up with a two guys that have scored 15 goals multiple times in the last 4 years on the fourth line.

Fundamentally different than it used to be.

100%. See my reply to Kiethisonlyokay. I lean towards it being a personnel issue. An issue we’ve now attempted to solve by overloading our forward depths. Jskins and Henrique being down there is an answer to what has always ailed us. Even Brown, who I know gets a lot of shit, is a more proven scorer in this league than lots of guys we’ve had in the past down there. But we have to see more from them stil, but i like the potential they present.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Hes been decently productive considering his role, ice time etc compared to majority of forwards on this team. But KK doesn’t trust him. I don’t think he fits on the team at this point. Not really sure what JJ plan was with this player. Makes me wonder if he even talked to KK before signing him.

I've wondered about this since July as Skinner is just not a KK player in any shape or form. It never made sense. I think dialog in the org must've been severely lacking. Its the trouble with handing the keys with some of these Analytics Guru types (JJ) They think their the smartest person in the room but lose sight of even basic things. The whole offseason was a mess. But I wouldn't blame KK in anyway either. I'm not convinced either of McD or Drai are keen on having a half ice player on their line either.

Didn't think much of Arvid tonight either. Just don't feel he adds much of anything.

 

[bucks_oil]

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If you're goalie ain't playing great, sure feels better paying him under 4 mill than 8 mill....for what, another 8 seasons?

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Was annoying seeing people shit on him in the gdt. It’s so f***ing old.

^^^ you guys get it.


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You guys post like a bunch of primas who’s goalie once asked you to backcheck.

I tried to respond to @CanadasTeam99 and @TB12 in the GDT but it was closed… I notice now you have nothing to say about Skinner after he out-dualed a guy the same age as him who’s making 3X. He was $8.5M worth of leaky on goals 1 and 2.

@GhostfaceWu: goalies don’t have elastic 1ft lone necks. The entire position is played based on odds… you get yourself into position where the guy has to beat you or make a perfect shot. Shortside, downlow and off the earlobe and in is a perfect shot… and when someone makes it, there is nothing you can do about it without overcommitting short side and giving up way more options. Skinner was and should be in RVH when the play is downlow like that…. and I actually hate RVH… it’s way overused… I teach it with tonnes of cautionary tales, but this was not one… on Saturday AM 3v3 I don’t even let guys attempt that shot unless they can take it without hitting my head… there’s just nothing you can do about it except get concussed, which Skinner was willing to risk. This comment just shows you haven’t played in the last decade or have zero clue what good goaltending actually looks like… sorry… but you are so wrong.

Like I said said, this game balances out the Florida game.

I personally thought they needed to go 0.500 in these five games we just played

Have not looked ahead, but I think we have SJ next

Everyone keeps saying Drai had a goal and 3 assists???

My math ain't mathing on that one.

In what world was the behind the net tap off Skinners helmet not the worst goal in the Florida game?

He was garbage…again

 

[Drivesaitl]

I lean towards decades lol. If you really think back…

I had a softer spot than most for Tippett. He had Darnell Nurse, Drai playing the best 200ft hockey of their careers until KK has instilled it this season. several players on this team took a step back under Woody. Especially prospects.

 

[TheNumber4]

You're right about depth scoring issues but those coaches would also fall back on the nuclear option with mixed results. Ideally McDavid, Draisatl, and RNH are all centering their own lines. Team seems much more dangerous.

Back then we did need to come back in games more than now. So maybe the nuclear option was used for that reason. And the general lack of production ability in our bottom 6. So now we have both better scoring talent in the bottom 6 and the ability to not get blown out of games requiring us to claw back into it.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Heck of a comeback.

We need to get Jeff Skinner going. Dude can't be playing 8 minutes a night.

Then he needs to earn his ice time man. He can't be making bad giveaways. That one in the third period was egregious. He's better than this and I believe in him. He has the skill. He just has to reinvigorate his game. If his defensive play improves, he will be in the top six eventually

 

[Dirk Dangler]

Stu had a good second half to the game. Props to him. He deserves his props when he does well. But, He needs to polish up his RVH and post work. The first goal tonight shouldn't have went in. It's a big pet peeve of mine, but staying on your knees in RVH when guys aren't a threat near the net is lazy goaltending akin to a player gliding back on a backcheck or making a wide turn instead of a stop and start. A player would get benched for that kind of lazy play and torn apart by the fans. Goaltenders shouldn't be any different. When the opposing player leaves the goal line/corner and wheels up the boards Stu has to get up and follow the play. Get up, get off the goal line and make a save. That corner was wide open the entire way. If he was out properly cutting off the angle it wouldn't have mattered if Drai deflects it.

 

[OilerTyler]

His slightly below average total save percentage is only like that because of his hot streak, he was the worst goalie in the league for the first 25 games of the year

Most player’s numbers look a lot worse if you pretend the games they played well in didn’t happen.

First 12 games: 3.28 and .877
Last 10 games: 2.52 and .911

Most people would consider their goalie trending up to be a good thing. I’d definitely prefer it to the other way around.

 

[Sheikyerbouti]

Gotta love Drai having maybe his best season ever after we locked him up

I've always resented him for the bad habits but he deserves all the trophies this year imo.

Both Nurse and Drai had big brain off-seasons. I have grown a shit ton of respect for both.

Nurse lost his cool the other day and it stood out; it used to be all-game, every-game lol.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Back then we did need to come back in games more than now. So maybe the nuclear option was used for that reason. And the general lack of production ability in our bottom 6. So now we have both better scoring talent in the bottom 6 and the ability to not get blown out of games requiring us to claw back into it.

I understand it for trailing, but it's still the "go to" option for coaches which limits our offensive potential. Giving opposition only one line to worry about isn't a good long term solution.