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[Louis Cypher]

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Return to vendor for a full refund.

The postage to return this crap will be too costly. We are stuck with it so just continue to leave bad reviews.

 

[Spawn]

Hits/60... 32nd in the NHL
Shooting %... 31st in the NHL
Save %... 29th in the NHL
PK... 32nd in the NHL
PP... 26th in the NHL

The shooting percentage and save percentage are why our PK and PP are so bad.

Good news is that to some extent these percentages are driven by luck. Much more so than consistently outshooting/outchancing teams which is much more reflective of genuine team strength. The percentages will level out.

That’s not to say there aren’t still some problems to be concerned about. Brown and Janmark on our 3rd line is essentially a guaranteed neuter to the line for example.

But the relatively okay record is a testament to the fact that the Oilers are actually playing relatively good hockey.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Nuge didn’t even break 20 goal last year. You think he’s going to score even less? Skinner will score over 20 because he always does even in down years. Arvidsson and Henrique I’m less sure about.

Have you watched Nuge play this year?
Id say 16 is around what he will get.
I’d say it’s extremely doubtful Hyman hits 50 or even close, last year is most likely and outlier.

Skinner depends on usage. He isn’t going to be a big PP guy here (maybe that changes). He only had 16 even strength goals last year although 27/28 the previous years. He is aging and on a new team so I’d say 40 goals between him and Arvidsson would be a likely scenario. We are also missing Kane from last year. Say Kane manages 10 goals when he comes back, 20 goals less from Hyman and Nuge. That’s 34 goals down right there. Foegele, McLeod and Holloway scored 38 goals combined which Skinner and Arvidsson should cover. Thats still 34 goals to make up for Podkolzin which I don’t see them covering. So unless McDavid and Draisaitl both hit 50 goals or guys like Henrique, Brown and Janmark score 10-15 it’s going to be a big hit offensively n

 

[ujju2]

Have you watched Nuge play this year?
Id say 16 is around what he will get.
I’d say it’s extremely doubtful Hyman hits 50 or even close, last year is most likely and outlier.

Skinner depends on usage. He isn’t going to be a big PP guy here (maybe that changes). He only had 16 even strength goals last year although 27/28 the previous years. He is aging and on a new team so I’d say 40 goals between him and Arvidsson would be a likely scenario. We are also missing Kane from last year. Say Kane manages 10 goals when he comes back, 20 goals less from Hyman and Nuge. That’s 34 goals down right there. Foegele, McLeod and Holloway scored 38 goals combined which Skinner and Arvidsson should cover. Thats still 34 goals to make up for Podkolzin which I don’t see them covering. So unless McDavid and Draisaitl both hit 50 goals or guys like Henrique, Brown and Janmark score 10-15 it’s going to be a big hit offensively n

Henrique scored 24 last year, even in a reduced role and with a slow start I'd be very surprised to see him score less than 10.

 

[K1984]

Have you watched Nuge play this year?
Id say 16 is around what he will get.
I’d say it’s extremely doubtful Hyman hits 50 or even close, last year is most likely and outlier.

Skinner depends on usage. He isn’t going to be a big PP guy here (maybe that changes). He only had 16 even strength goals last year although 27/28 the previous years. He is aging and on a new team so I’d say 40 goals between him and Arvidsson would be a likely scenario. We are also missing Kane from last year. Say Kane manages 10 goals when he comes back, 20 goals less from Hyman and Nuge. That’s 34 goals down right there. Foegele, McLeod and Holloway scored 38 goals combined which Skinner and Arvidsson should cover. Thats still 34 goals to make up for Podkolzin which I don’t see them covering. So unless McDavid and Draisaitl both hit 50 goals or guys like Henrique, Brown and Janmark score 10-15 it’s going to be a big hit offensively n

I had McDavid and Drai scoring about 15 more goals combined than they did last year, which should make up for any shortfall from Hyman. Problem is I assumed that McDavid was going to shoot the puck again to do it. Leon looks like he'll end with ~50 at this point.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Henrique scored 24 last year, even in a reduced role and with a slow start I'd be very surprised to see him score less than 10.

Henrique scored 24 goals mostly getting top 6 minutes and pp time with better linemates than he had this year. I think 15 goals is reasonable for him but not his linemates. I think his lack of offensive linemates will hurt his numbers.
It’s why I was so hopeful the team was going to put some high potential youth with him for a scoring line.
I was picturing a Holloway - Henrique - Savoie line for a bit before everything happened. Team doesn’t seem to what to go that path at all so I think Henriques numbers will suffer.

 

[Soundwave]

Offensively the main difference between last year and this year is basically just the PP thus far.

35 goals last year through 13 games, 31 goals this year through 13 games.

But last year they had something like 4 more goals on the PP at this point. So there's your difference basically.

9 PP goals last year this time, versus 5 this year.

26 non-PP goals through 13 games, identical to last year.

Thankfully our D is considerably better this year than last year at this point, it's why we have 6 wins instead of 2-3.

 

[iCanada]

Edm has allowed a league leading 14 GA on the PK.

They 2nd in xGA with 4.84.

PK GSAx: -9.16

5v5 GSAx: +2.36

Goaltenders seem to be choosing when to make a save.

This is what I've been saying - your goaltender is your most important pker, and good lord have our goaltenders dropped the ball 4v5.

We have like a league wide historic low save percentage on the pk right now by several standard deviations at 0.674.

Just a quick comparison to the top 3/4ths of the league...

 

[Duke74]

Unrelated note, seems like the population of HFoilers really took a hit this offseason and not many returned. These page counts on GDT and PGTs are really low

Or maybe people are waiting until the real season begins...

 

[Soundwave]

This is what I've been saying - your goaltender is your most important pker, and good lord have our goaltenders dropped the ball 4v5.

We have like a league wide historic low save percentage on the pk right now by several standard deviations at 0.674.

Just a quick comparison to the top 3/4ths of the league...

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Honestly maybe we should just bring back Cam Talbot, lol.

I see he's 5th in GSAA this year again after a respectable 14th overall finish last year (10th best for goalies who played over 30 games), whereas Pickard is like 41st overall and Skinner is sitting at 65th best (lol) currently.

Talbot is better than our goalies.

 

[tardigrade81]

Offensively the main difference between last year and this year is basically just the PP thus far.

35 goals last year through 13 games, 31 goals this year through 13 games.

But last year they had something like 4 more goals on the PP at this point. So there's your difference basically.

9 PP goals last year this time, versus 5 this year.

26 non-PP goals through 13 games, identical to last year.

Thankfully our D is considerably better this year than last year at this point, it's why we have 6 wins instead of 2-3.

Special teams just needs to be better plain and simple. Powerplay isn't near what it was and the power kill is absolutely pathetic. Special teams is just killer this year. Getting McD back will help but holy crap it's been a mess.

 

[Spawn]

Honestly maybe we should just bring back Cam Talbot, lol.

I see he's 5th in GSAA this year again after a respectable 14th overall finish last year (10th best for goalies who played over 30 games), whereas Pickard is like 41st overall and Skinner is sitting at 65th best (lol) currently.

Talbot is better than our goalies.

There’s definitely an alternate reality where the Oilers don’t pick Koskinen over Talbot and Talbot plays the rest of his career here. Splitting time with Skinner over the last couple years as he nears retirement.

Doubt Detroit is looking to sell right now though.

 

[Soundwave]

Special teams just needs to be better plain and simple. Powerplay isn't near what it was and the power kill is absolutely pathetic. Special teams is just killer this year. Getting McD back will help but holy crap it's been a mess.

Goalies need to make some saves on the PK, both of our guys are just bombing it on the PK.

There’s definitely an alternate reality where the Oilers don’t pick Koskinen over Talbot and Talbot plays the rest of his career here. Splitting time with Skinner over the last couple years as he nears retirement.

Doubt Detroit is looking to sell right now though.

That was a great final f*** you from Chiarelli to screw us with Koskinen. Don't think Detroit is making the playoffs this year though, that division is tough.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

There’s definitely an alternate reality where the Oilers don’t pick Koskinen over Talbot and Talbot plays the rest of his career here. Splitting time with Skinner over the last couple years as he nears retirement.

Doubt Detroit is looking to sell right now though.

People really forget how hated "First shot Talbot" was after 2016-17.

 

[iCanada]

Honestly maybe we should just bring back Cam Talbot, lol.

I see he's 5th in GSAA this year again after a respectable 14th overall finish last year (10th best for goalies who played over 30 games), whereas Pickard is like 41st overall and Skinner is sitting at 65th best (lol) currently.

Talbot is better than our goalies.

The other part about it that's brutal is that we honestly haven't really given up that many chances against on the pk. We're literally tied for second in the league in terms of the least amount of High Danger scoring chances given up at 4v5;

We're not giving up much, just everything ends up in the net, even things that aren't really good chances. We need saves at 4v5 desperately and we just aren't getting them.

 

[Soundwave]

The other part about it that's brutal is that we honestly haven't really given up that many chances against on the pk. We're literally tied for second in the league in terms of the least amount of High Danger scoring chances given up at 4v5;

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We're not giving up much, just everything ends up in the net, even things that aren't really good chances. We need saves at 4v5 desperately and we just aren't getting them.

I think honestly this franchise needs to have a very sober assessment of the goaltending here.

This team will always have rollercoaster stretches like this because they have no margin for error with the goaltending they get.

Yes, there are stretches where the goalies will look OK because we do a good job team wise of suppressing high danger chances, but it's ridiculous to ask for much better in terms of HDCA suppression that what the goalies here get.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

The other part about it that's brutal is that we honestly haven't really given up that many chances against on the pk. We're literally tied for second in the league in terms of the least amount of High Danger scoring chances given up at 4v5;

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We're not giving up much, just everything ends up in the net, even things that aren't really good chances. We need saves at 4v5 desperately and we just aren't getting them.

Haven't been on the kill long enough to get those high danger chances lol, but it's rough to watch.

 

[brentashton]

There’s definitely an alternate reality where the Oilers don’t pick Koskinen over Talbot and Talbot plays the rest of his career here. Splitting time with Skinner over the last couple years as he nears retirement.

Doubt Detroit is looking to sell right now though.

Detroit is absolutely floundering and underperforming to expectations. I’m sure as long as you’re not wanting to deal on Lyon, they probably entertain an offer for Talbot.

That said, I’d take a run at Mackenzie Blackwood in SJS.

 

[iCanada]

I think honestly this franchise needs to have a very sober assessment of the goaltending here.

This team will always have rollercoaster stretches like this because they have no margin for error with the goaltending they get.

Yes, there are stretches where the goalies will look OK because we do a good job team wise of suppressing high danger chances, but it's ridiculous to ask for much better in terms of HDCA suppression that what the goalies here get.

Yup. And before anyone asks - even if you adjust for toi - our rates of giving up chances on the pk are the third best in the league.

We're also top 5 in the league in terms of this metric at 5v5, for the record;

If you factor in both scoring chances for and against at all strengths, we have the best scoring chances metrics in the league at all strengths by a mile, btw.

Haven't been on the kill long enough to get those high danger chances lol, but it's rough to watch.

Lol I was too slow, but yeah, if you go by rates were amazing too.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Haven't been on the kill long enough to get those high danger chances lol, but it's rough to watch.

They should stop putting Nurse on the PK as well.

 

[brentashton]

Unrelated note, seems like the population of HFoilers really took a hit this offseason and not many returned. These page counts on GDT and PGTs are really low

I believe there are still a lot of past posters that are reading in the background, but are not overly active anymore.

Like society in general, I feel dialogue here has become increasingly more polarized, black and white, while shades of grey and meaningful dialogue aren’t as tolerated as they once were.

Just an opinion

 

[Oilslick941611]

I believe there are still a lot of past posters that are reading in the background, but are not overly active anymore.

Like society in general, I feel dialogue here has become increasingly more polarized, black and white, while shades of grey and meaningful dialogue aren’t as tolerated as they once were.

Just an opinion

i would agree, but i think that line was crossed a few years ago.

We've been seeing the same cycle for years, certain posters come and post after win, and go away for a loss, and vice versa.

I think a lot of people just wanted to complain about Holland and now hes gone they're gone after realizing that Holland wasn't the issue.

 

[K1984]

I believe there are still a lot of past posters that are reading in the background, but are not overly active anymore.

Like society in general, I feel dialogue here has become increasingly more polarized, black and white, while shades of grey and meaningful dialogue aren’t as tolerated as they once were.

Just an opinion

From about 2017-2021 I took a sabbatical from the board more or less. It hurt enough watching the organization throw away seasons that we were supposed to be spending getting better and building towards a championship. Coming here and reading the (mostly justifiable) doom and gloom was just way too much salt in the wound.

I'm re-addicted to the board now, but I could totally understand posters that prefer to stay away until the team gets its feet underneath them again. Currently the board is more or less a piss fest among people trying to pick out their target as to why the team isn't playing well, and that can be draining to read.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

They should stop putting Nurse on the PK as well.

I mean, they should not let Nurse do much, but there in lies the major problem.

 

[Juxta Position]

The record in the last 10 is good but it’s also all wins against bad teams. We have a very easy strength of schedule this year.
We have a single win against teams who made the playoffs last year (in 5 games). We also have a single win against teams who are in the top 16 this year.
We are 1-4-0 against last years playoff teams and are currently 5-1-1 against bottom teams. So perfectly a middle team at the moment.

Scoring should come back but how much? Guys like Nuge and Hyman probably won't score like they did last year (especially Hyman), Arvidsson and Skinner should score in the 15-20 amount depending on health. I don't see our bottom 6 really putting much offense up. Our bottom 6 wingers aren't really offensive minded or able in any way and Henrique has nothing to really work with down there.

I get that, but how much offense is truly needed? honestly, a top 15 powerplay, and a return to normal for most guys (not 50 goals for Hyman but 30-35, and not 100 points, but 60ish for nuge), and this team is all of a sudden a contender again.

strength of schedule is not something that can be changed either way so it's not anything that can be worked on, it is what it is, and all the Oilers can do is beat teams they're supposed to beat, and tread water until the offense comes back, which it will.