Free Agents and Trade Thread - Offseason Part II

[Ziggdiezan]

Matthews
Marner
Tavares
Nylander
Kapanen
Kerfoot
Johnsson or Re-signed Hyman

Rielly
Muzzin
NEW GUY (Top 4 RHD)

Campbell

Freddy & Hyman are UFA's who don't need protection, Mikheyev, Enbgvall are exempt I believe.

We are looking at exposing Gauthier, Dermott, Holl
I would be worried about losing Dermott to the draft and depending on his progression this year I wouldn't be opposed to exposing Muzzin if he runs into injury trouble + dermott takes a significant step forward.

I can't imagine we go into the next season without a new defender worth protecting to play with Rielly.

Muzzin has a full NMC next year with a NTC for the next 2 years and a 10 team NTC for the final year. Don't see him waiving it anytime soon

 

[I am Canadian]

Muzzin has a full NMC next year with a NTC for the next 2 years and a 10 team NTC for the final year. Don't see him waiving it anytime soon

Good point. Looks like they will lose Dermott imo

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Muzzin has a full NMC next year with a NTC for the next 2 years and a 10 team NTC for the final year. Don't see him waiving it anytime soon

We are able to expose Muzzin to expansion if we choose. His NMC in his first year does not mean he can not be exposed.

 

[Gabriel426]

I agree, with Robertson and Sandin set to graduate and back to back seasons without a 1st its time to recoup some future assets or ELC NHL ready players who can fill depth roles.

Ideally you deal Marner for a haul, but there are few teams who can take on his cap. Realistically were looking at Nylander + Johnsson + Kapanen + Andersen in separate deals for futures to cover the cap of AP. The problem would then be filling out the remainder of the roster.

If AP is the target, both Marner and Willie will be gone. As I don’t think any teams have the cap space and prospects + picks to just take on any one of them without sending players with salaries back. Assuming the other two teams trading for them have what the Leafs want say a Dman and a forward with half of MM and Willie cap, Leafs would free up a bit under 9mil cap space, which might just be enough to cover Pietra’s cap hit.
Trading all Kerfoot, AJ and Kap to sign AP won’t work as that will only free up 7mil due to getting replacements.
Any combination of Willie plus one of those three won’t work due to Leafs needing to find replacements plus the player coming back via the Willie trade.
Any combinations of Marner plus one of those three will might work depending on salaries coming back.
Ideally, trade both Marner and Willie to get players plus cap space to sign AP, but that will be very complicated even for an experience GM like Bowman or Lou. Just too many moving parts.

 

[BertCorbeau]

With Hyman has a pending UFA, not needing protection, it almost makes sense to go 4/4 and protect the big 4 forwards alone with Rielly/Muzz/Dermott/new D man.

Would rather expose Kerfoot/Kap/AJ/Holl .. Or move them for picks. BUT this is on a number of assumptions:

- assuming Dermott isn't traded this offseason (nor one of Kap, AJ, and Kerfoot) which seems unlikely
- the Leafs are able to land that needed top 4 d-man
- assumes the Leafs won't move one of the big 4

The bad part of this is that Dubas has cornered himself into an upcoming season where he must be successful.. So he's in win-now mode which might come at the expense of losing a valuable player or asset come expansion draft time.

 

[Rare Jewel]

With Hyman has a pending UFA, not needing protection, it almost makes sense to go 4/4 and protect the big 4 forwards alone with Rielly/Muzz/Dermott/new D man.

Would rather expose Kerfoot/Kap/AJ/Holl .. Or move them for picks. BUT this is on a number of assumptions:

- assuming Dermott isn't traded this offseason (nor one of Kap, AJ, and Kerfoot) which seems unlikely
- the Leafs are able to land that needed top 4 d-man
- assumes the Leafs won't move one of the big 4

The bad part of this is that Dubas has cornered himself into an upcoming season where he must be successful.. So he's in win-now mode which might come at the expense of losing a valuable player or asset come expansion draft time.

I'd like to keep Dermott and if he has a good year, plus they add one this off-season, then yeah 4 and 4 is likely.

Mikheyev could screw it up though if he plays a certain amount though.

 

[meefer]

Rielly for Parayko (-250K held back)
Liljegren and Andersen for Varlemov and Mayfield
Sign Tanev 3x4

20 million for the following D:
Muzzin and Parayko
Dermott and Tanev
Sandin and Mayfield

6.65 million for G

54 M for F.

 

[stickty111]

Burnside mentioned on the Athletic today that Toronto is still mentioned as a potential landing spot for Pietrangelo. Leafs have cap headaches so we'll see.

 

[ToneDog]

If AP is the target, both Marner and Willie will be gone. As I don’t think any teams have the cap space and prospects + picks to just take on any one of them without sending players with salaries back. Assuming the other two teams trading for them have what the Leafs want say a Dman and a forward with half of MM and Willie cap, Leafs would free up a bit under 9mil cap space, which might just be enough to cover Pietra’s cap hit.
Trading all Kerfoot, AJ and Kap to sign AP won’t work as that will only free up 7mil due to getting replacements.
Any combination of Willie plus one of those three won’t work due to Leafs needing to find replacements plus the player coming back via the Willie trade.
Any combinations of Marner plus one of those three will might work depending on salaries coming back.
Ideally, trade both Marner and Willie to get players plus cap space to sign AP, but that will be very complicated even for an experience GM like Bowman or Lou. Just too many moving parts.

It would take one huge pair of onions for Dubas to move Marner and Nylander in order to sign Petro. I do not think he has those onions.

 

[ToneDog]

Rielly for Parayko (-250K held back)
Liljegren and Andersen for Varlemov and Mayfield
Sign Tanev 3x4

20 million for the following D:
Muzzin and Parayko
Dermott and Tanev
Sandin and Mayfield

6.65 million for G

54 M for F.

Sorry, Rielly is not a problem on this team. Rather go after Petro to get that #1 RHD.
Good luck with that trade with Lou.
Doubt Tanev the UFA takes a paycut to sign with the Leafs.

 

[Legion34]

If AP is the target, both Marner and Willie will be gone. As I don’t think any teams have the cap space and prospects + picks to just take on any one of them without sending players with salaries back. Assuming the other two teams trading for them have what the Leafs want say a Dman and a forward with half of MM and Willie cap, Leafs would free up a bit under 9mil cap space, which might just be enough to cover Pietra’s cap hit.
Trading all Kerfoot, AJ and Kap to sign AP won’t work as that will only free up 7mil due to getting replacements.
Any combination of Willie plus one of those three won’t work due to Leafs needing to find replacements plus the player coming back via the Willie trade.
Any combinations of Marner plus one of those three will might work depending on salaries coming back.
Ideally, trade both Marner and Willie to get players plus cap space to sign AP, but that will be very complicated even for an experience GM like Bowman or Lou. Just too many moving parts.

not really. I mean.
1.) if you traded willy and AJ you could take back a 2 million dollar contract.

2.) other teams can shed salary elsewhere

for example. Trade AJ to ottawa for a 3rd.
Trade nylander to jersey/Carolina/Anaheim etc. For picks and prospects.

 

[BertCorbeau]

It would take one huge pair of onions for Dubas to move Marner and Nylander in order to sign Petro. I do not think he has those onions.

Trading both Marner and Nylander probably isn't the best solution anyway even if it lands Petro

 

[ToneDog]

Trading both Marner and Nylander probably isn't the best solution anyway even if it lands Petro

Depends on the return. Suppose you could turn 10.893 and 6.95 into the Tkachuk brothers and sign Petro. Instantly you become a team to be reckoned with.

 

[nuck]

With Hyman has a pending UFA, not needing protection, it almost makes sense to go 4/4 and protect the big 4 forwards alone with Rielly/Muzz/Dermott/new D man.

Would rather expose Kerfoot/Kap/AJ/Holl .. Or move them for picks. BUT this is on a number of assumptions:

- assuming Dermott isn't traded this offseason (nor one of Kap, AJ, and Kerfoot) which seems unlikely
- the Leafs are able to land that needed top 4 d-man
- assumes the Leafs won't move one of the big 4

The bad part of this is that Dubas has cornered himself into an upcoming season where he must be successful.. So he's in win-now mode which might come at the expense of losing a valuable player or asset come expansion draft time.

But it could be the opposite Bert. Now its down to keeping the band together vs unemployment. He has to reassess things based on the puny cap and some players not bringing it how he had hoped. Last years plans are out the window for everyone except the Kraken.

I can see a lot of movement prior to the season start and again at the TDL. The X draft might be a concern for Holl, or Dermott, or Kerfoot but none of those guys are as much actual as potential and the club will get by. Lots of players that were not on the market before are now in the "getable" category as clubs can't protect or can't afford their best lineup. I accept that Kap. Johnsson and Dermott might not bring what they would in a different market situation but the same goes for every other clubs players. You may be selling low but you are also buying low, at least in terms of player trades vs picks.

I don't think there is an assumption Dubas is going to get fleeced, even if he tried to sign Pietrangelo. How many clubs have a 7th forward better than Kap? How many clubs will not be able to protect a top 4 RD? There will be goalies available that aren't in any other year. FWIW I would let Dermott go rather than expose 3 skaters. If he has a monster year then trade him rather than lose him, or make an accomodation with Seattle. Win now might be a great thing.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Depends on the return. Suppose you could turn 10.893 and 6.95 into the Tkachuk brothers and sign Petro. Instantly you become a team to be reckoned with.

The above still leaves the Leafs in cap hell and somehow re-signing Brady, Andersen, and Hyman.

But I agree it would depend on the return.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

If we can’t get Pietrangelo, it’s not the end of the world. Fortunately this offseason has lots of UFA right handed (or at least right playing) defensemen. Options include but aren’t limited to Tanev, Brodie, Hamonic, Gudas, and Shattenkirk. These guys would cost somewhere between $3-5 million AAV.

One of these guys added with Lehtonen should improve our defense compared to last year. Would also allow us to keep our four forwards together for at least another year if management chooses. I’m not against moving one of Marner or Nylander for depth or defensive help, but I get the feeling that Dubas is. It’s not a shakeup he’s ready to do yet. Another failure next year and it’ll be 3 seasons straight for this core since Tavares joined. 3 strikes you’re out.

 

[jaric1862]

If Mikheyev wants anything close to what Fabbri got, he’s going to have to be moved.

 

[Menzinger]

With Hyman has a pending UFA, not needing protection, it almost makes sense to go 4/4 and protect the big 4 forwards alone with Rielly/Muzz/Dermott/new D man.

Would rather expose Kerfoot/Kap/AJ/Holl .. Or move them for picks. BUT this is on a number of assumptions:

- assuming Dermott isn't traded this offseason (nor one of Kap, AJ, and Kerfoot) which seems unlikely
- the Leafs are able to land that needed top 4 d-man
- assumes the Leafs won't move one of the big 4

The bad part of this is that Dubas has cornered himself into an upcoming season where he must be successful.. So he's in win-now mode which might come at the expense of losing a valuable player or asset come expansion draft time.

If the team makes enough moves on D this offseason a 4/4 could very well be worth it. If it means losing a guy like Kerfoot, so be it

 

[LeafChief]

If Mikheyev wants anything close to what Fabbri got, he’s going to have to be moved.

He had a really bad playoff and only 39 regular season games. He should sign another 1 year cheap deal and if not, trade him.

 

[BertCorbeau]

He had a really bad playoff and only 39 regular season games. He should sign another 1 year cheap deal and if not, trade him.

I'd try to get him for 2 years for cheap. With Hyman as a pending UFA, you'd hate to have to re-sign both if they do well. And you'd hate to have to replace two LWers in your top 9 with the current cap climate.

 

[grapes55]

I think if anyone goes for a RHD it should be kap imo. He's a great penalty killer and I love his speed but he hasn't shown that he can play well above the 3rd line..

 

[Dreakmur]

If Mikheyev wants anything close to what Fabbri got, he’s going to have to be moved.

He can look around his own locker room and think he's worth more than 3.

 

[jaric1862]

He can look around his own locker room and think he's worth more than 3.

Those guys signed for 3 and 4 year deals. The difference with Fabbri is that he got that money on a 2 year deal.

Also, Fabbri and Mikheyev’s PPG is virtually identical.

 

[Gabriel426]

not really. I mean.
1.) if you traded willy and AJ you could take back a 2 million dollar contract.

2.) other teams can shed salary elsewhere

for example. Trade AJ to ottawa for a 3rd.
Trade nylander to jersey/Carolina/Anaheim etc. For picks and prospects.

That’s working way more for Leafs favor, also Willie and AJ total is under 10.5mil. Finding two replacements players even at min 750k/each will only allow Pietra with 9mil.
Honestly, the team will have more balance with Pietra and other players with both Marner and Willie gone than just having one of them gone. It will be the same story over again.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

We are able to expose Muzzin to expansion if we choose. His NMC in his first year does not mean he can not be exposed.

Why is that? I thought NMC required you to protect someone? I guess it depends when the turnover date is for NMC to NTC and when the teams have to submit their protection lists