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i dont think they are trading zib and right now he is better then any of the 4 you listed, hell he hasnt even reached his ceiling yet i still think there is a 70 point player in there
Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part V: Gorton is on McLeod Nine.
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Kreider-Boo Nieves-Chimera = legion of doom II?
750 lbs coming at you at full speed!!!
Kreider-Boo Nieves-Chimera = legion of doom II?
750 lbs coming at you at full speed!!!
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Before people say "But Chimera is a 4th liner!"... We will have Chara as our 4RW obviously
In 06’, Jörgen Jönsson centered Forsberg and Sundin in the OGs if I remember correctly. I think it’s more the norm than the exception that Sweden uses a player in that type of role.
In international hockey it’s not unusual that you put a slave at center to free a star or two from defensive assignments. And you also relieve another star for another line with that approach.
I would have nothing against this lineup for a short stint at least:
Kreider-Boo-Ziba
Names-Chytil-Vesey
Zucc-Lias-Buch
Spooner-Hayes-Fast
All shifts matter the same. Four even lines. If you roll four lines, why not try to have four even lines? Why?
There is some logic for ‘not’ having four even lines:
-You can use powerbreaks etc to give one line a little more time than others.
-If you can have a line that can score, it’s enough to have three lines that can play 0-0.
-A depth line can play a much more straight forward game and survive with little talent.
But there is also some logic between having even lines. Momentum is so important, if you can roll four even line that can ‘bring it’ you can often really get a grip of the other team. It’s really tough for the ‘scoring line’ on the other team to all of a sudden hit the ice and turn the tide if that team has been hammered for a couple of minutes. And so forth.
In international hockey it’s not unusual that you put a slave at center to free a star or two from defensive assignments. And you also relieve another star for another line with that approach.
I would have nothing against this lineup for a short stint at least:
Kreider-Boo-Ziba
Names-Chytil-Vesey
Zucc-Lias-Buch
Spooner-Hayes-Fast
All shifts matter the same. Four even lines. If you roll four lines, why not try to have four even lines? Why?
There is some logic for ‘not’ having four even lines:
-You can use powerbreaks etc to give one line a little more time than others.
-If you can have a line that can score, it’s enough to have three lines that can play 0-0.
-A depth line can play a much more straight forward game and survive with little talent.
But there is also some logic between having even lines. Momentum is so important, if you can roll four even line that can ‘bring it’ you can often really get a grip of the other team. It’s really tough for the ‘scoring line’ on the other team to all of a sudden hit the ice and turn the tide if that team has been hammered for a couple of minutes. And so forth.
I think the biggest issue with the 'even' line theory is that they aren't really even. Spreading scoring out across your lineup is important, its too easy to shut down a team with only 1 dangerous line, but trying to roll 4 balanced lines for approx 15 minutes each means that some players will be in over their heads, and its likely to have an impact on the play of your better players as well.
We know that guys like Zib, Zucc, Kreider etc can produce playing 18+ minutes a night, so why limit how much time they are on the ice so that Neives and Vesey can get more playing time? You're literally robbing your best players of opportunity in the quest for 'balance'.
Likewise, what does playing with a basically untested centre who is up against harder match-ups do for a guy like Kreider. Does he have to spend more time in his own zone having to defend because Boo is being outclassed by his opposing number. Is he having to spend more time up against the boards on the O-zone trying to dig out pucks because Boo doesn't have the skills to dish the puck to him effectively? If so, it means that Kreider will be more exhausted when he finally actually gets the puck in useful positions, and so you've reduced his effectiveness instead of pairing him with a guy who enhances his skill-set.
Good points all over for sure.
A few things, special teams has a huge impact on ice time. Most of the time the difference between line 1-2-3-4 in 5 on 5 ice time is about 1 minute per line (say 13 min/12 min/11 min/10 min respectively with 14 minutes of total special teams, roughly of course). From those times, special composed units for like last minute shifts is excluded. Those add up too.
But a top PP player plays about 3.30 of PP per game and a top PK player plays about 2.30 of SH time per game. If you play both that is another 6 minutes of ice time.
Just saying, the difference between playing four even lines and using the norm isn't about giving all players 15 minutes a night or some guys 20 and others 10. Its more like the top guys getting 17.5 minutes instead of 18.5 minutes. In stead of 13/12/11/10 minutes it would in theory be 11.30 for all four lines, with the top line losing 1.5 min and the bottom line gaining 1.5 min. And you also have players with more energy in the tank to use extra late in period/games.
Wouldn't that be a pretty good line?
A few things, special teams has a huge impact on ice time. Most of the time the difference between line 1-2-3-4 in 5 on 5 ice time is about 1 minute per line (say 13 min/12 min/11 min/10 min respectively with 14 minutes of total special teams, roughly of course). From those times, special composed units for like last minute shifts is excluded. Those add up too.
But a top PP player plays about 3.30 of PP per game and a top PK player plays about 2.30 of SH time per game. If you play both that is another 6 minutes of ice time.
Just saying, the difference between playing four even lines and using the norm isn't about giving all players 15 minutes a night or some guys 20 and others 10. Its more like the top guys getting 17.5 minutes instead of 18.5 minutes. In stead of 13/12/11/10 minutes it would in theory be 11.30 for all four lines, with the top line losing 1.5 min and the bottom line gaining 1.5 min. And you also have players with more energy in the tank to use extra late in period/games.
Wouldn't that be a pretty good line?
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Hmm, the post about saddling Hayes with Spooner (and Fast) seems to have gotten lost in the cleanup.
Anyway, Spooner has a slightly higher PPG than Hayes. Both have the same high for points in a season. Spooner obviously plays a much different game than Hayes, but I don't think he'd be a drag on him by any means. I actually think from an offensive perspective, they could complement each other nicely.
Anyway, Spooner has a slightly higher PPG than Hayes. Both have the same high for points in a season. Spooner obviously plays a much different game than Hayes, but I don't think he'd be a drag on him by any means. I actually think from an offensive perspective, they could complement each other nicely.
If we are discussing assets that Gorton potentially can use if the right target comes along: Brady Skjei does make a lot of sense too. Maybe not this summer, but sooner rather than later.
LD is the easiest position to fill. Its the position we have the best depth in, in the organization. We don't hold them highly when looking at our depth chart, for a good reason I recon, but we do have Brendan Smith and Marc Staal locked up for three more years at well over 10m per at LD already. We also have O'Gara and Claesson at LD. In addition, on the farm we have Hajak, K'Andre Miller, Lindgren and a bunch of other draft picks the last years. A bunch. Every summer there are 1-2 very good LDs available as UDFAs. And so forth.
Skjei should also soon be on a great contract, we should have every opportunity to lock him up long term on a good deal.
LD is the easiest position to fill. Its the position we have the best depth in, in the organization. We don't hold them highly when looking at our depth chart, for a good reason I recon, but we do have Brendan Smith and Marc Staal locked up for three more years at well over 10m per at LD already. We also have O'Gara and Claesson at LD. In addition, on the farm we have Hajak, K'Andre Miller, Lindgren and a bunch of other draft picks the last years. A bunch. Every summer there are 1-2 very good LDs available as UDFAs. And so forth.
Skjei should also soon be on a great contract, we should have every opportunity to lock him up long term on a good deal.
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I really don’t have a problem turning on the blender and sticking a variety of combinations together early in the season to see what sticks, but I don’t see the need for there to be a minimum extended period where Kreider and Nieves ought to be glued at the hip in order to see if the former is capable of such an assignment. If he really does have untapped chemistry with Kreider, it should be apparent within the first couple of games they play together.
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Increasing feeling that the (assumed) Spooner trade never comes to fruition. I'm fine - even glad - having him return after the arbitration hearing. Would be very interesting if he seizes the opportunity and ends up having a great year/Ranger career. If things go well, can't assume he's a trade deadline pawn either. Dead man walking becomes a fan favorite? Would like to see it.
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I was kind of nodding my head in agreement until I realized that you are basically comparing 2 of the greatest players in the history of the NHL (Forsberg and Sundin) to Kreider and Zibs. Sorry, Nieves should be on the 4th line and not "centering" our best center (Zibs) and our best or 2nd best scoring winger.
And for the record, I never liked "spread out the scoring". I like playing the best with the best and creating a "stronger" positive for your team.
The bits and pieces we've heard seem to be that Gorton is willing to listen to offers for just about anyone on the team, including Zibanejad, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's on the block and they are looking to trade him, and from all accounts they'd want a LOT in return
There was a game years back in which Vancouver's coach rolled all 4 lines one after another evenly all game long basically. Line 1 with the Sedins got less icetime than line 4 with whoever because line 4 couldn't get off the ice.
I dont have a problem with the signing. You need veteran leadership in the room, forget on ice stuff, as you're really talking about a 13th 14th forward, but a good mentor that instills some old school values is good for a young roster.
Much better than the annual hardworking scrub that they sign out of BC to remind some of the college boys what effort is supposed to be.
Much better than the annual hardworking scrub that they sign out of BC to remind some of the college boys what effort is supposed to be.
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Veteran leadership. Zucc, Henrik, staal, possibly Cally if we take on his deal
All strong leaders.
Hars working guys... Fasth, Henrik, zucc, staal, possibly Cally.
It's an area I have zero concern about.
Of Cody McLeod leadership is what's going to make or break these kids careers...we are in much bigger crap than any of us want to admit.
With that said I do buy the protect the kids in the ahl argument because whoever said it...I think @NYR Viper points out that it is still a bit of a goon league. so if McLeod is going to the minors that's fine. And I guess if u want to dress him for the isles since they are 50% worthless idiots who will take runs then sure that's fine too. Other than that it's worthless. Fighting is worthless. It would be one thing If McLeod belted people with hits from time to time like Chris neil or something. But he doesn't. He doesn't crush ppl with hits....fighting is more or less gone from the game, he can't skate hit pass etc. I'd honestly rather have tanner glass...and I can't believe I'm saying that.
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The one time Cody McLeod needed to do his goon garbage he became a CHURCH MOUSE in Nashville. The Nashville Church Mouse.
Perfect post. I award you 1 like. I’d actually like to award you more but..
Well..
Restrictions.
No. He’s actually a really nice guy. That said
Boo just has to facilitate
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