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You don't even want to know how I pronounced Skjei's name before I started hearing it on TV lol
Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part V: Gorton is on McLeod Nine.
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When Hayes was on Spittin Chiclets podcast recently they said 5 x 5 flat out multiple times, each time with no comment from Hayes and as if he brushed it off. He is pals with those guys, hangs out with them and has been on the show to goof off quite a few times. Might be reading too much into the tea leaves, but for what it is worth...
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Even with all the projected re-signs we have upwards of 5 million in cap space available, and that is if we keep all of our players (Spooner/Namestnikov/Hayes/etc.)
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Could be a "leak" to make it look like Gorton is settling for less when he brings his ask down to something he is really targeting - would you take Lucic if we also got Klefbom?
Irishguy42
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That's entirely your problem.
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Leon throughout his career thus far has been almost entirely a product of McDavid and Hall. His production without them is severely diminished.
In fact over the last two years when he was on the ice with McDavid they scored 72 goals and allowed 51 (58%). When he was not out with McDavid they scored 47 goals and allowed 62 (43%) in about 1100 minutes each.
He had a nice rookie year without McDavid (51 pts) but that year he got about 90% of his ice time with Hall and did almost nothing in his 160 minutes without Hall.
In his career when he was on the ice 5v5 without Hall or McDavid his line scored 2.38 goals/60. That's flat out bad.
The same is true of his shot numbers. Roughly 65 CF60 the last two years with McDavid to 55 without.
I wouldn't take Draisaitl with his current contract for free as of now. He's shown no ability so far that he can carry a line on his own. He's been an excellent complementary player. He was obviously a top pick and considered to have that potential but you want to pay 8.5M for a guy whose numbers are massively inflated by playing with the best player in the league half the time the past two years?
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Pavel Buchnevich
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Can we say he’s done well unless he acquires the 2-3 top end players? Is it really that hard to acquire talent in a rebuild? It’s hard to acquire top-end talent.
Irishguy42
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Rangers aren't bad enough to get to the high enough draft picks for top-end talent.
Mac n Gs
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I mean, are you sure about that? Even assuming we re-sign all of our RFAs, our depth is still pretty weak in our bottom-6 and I don't think playing rookies is going to rectify that issue. Also, our defense is very raw and has only two known quantities in Brady Skjei and Shattenkirk who I'd trust with top-4 minutes as of today. If Smith comes into camp healthy and motivated, I'd add him to this list. As amazing as Hank is, he's 36 years old and can't shoulder a 70-game workload again this season. He's mentioned that he's had a nagging knee injury- do we know the progress on this yet? I'd reasonably expect him to play 55-60 games this season, which I think would be the best thing for both him, and us, moving towards next year where I see us being more competitive.
Also, we have a new coach with no prior NHL coaching experience. Realistically, we're going to see a rocky start as we try to integrate a new system and let everyone settle into new roles. I don't think we'll see Quinn's grip take hold of this team until around Thanksgiving, and usually if a team is out of it by then, they're at a higher risk for missing the playoffs.
Does this roster really seem like it won't be a lottery team next season? I'm purposely leaving out Chytil and Lias because I think we'll see them spend more time in Hartford than the NHL this season. I'd gladly have them prove me wrong, but I believe it'll be best for both of their developments to play in a strong, young nucleus in Hartford and instill a winning culture down there.
KZB
Spooner-Hayes-Zucc
Vesey-Namestnikov-Fast
McLeod-Nieves-Lettieri --> This line can be interchangeable parts between these three, Lindqvist, Meskanen, Holland, and maybe Fogarty.
Staal-Shattenkirk
Skjei-ADA
Claesson/Smith/Gilmour/O'Gara/another of our 84000 LD-Pionk
Hank
backup --> is it really gonna be Mazenec?
That's not going to be a high lotto team?
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I think they’ll be a bottom five team when it’s all said and done unless Hank puts up a Vezina season
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Objectively, no it's not. at worst, it'll be a strange mix of parts. Too much pride from Henrik, and too much ability overall to be very bad.
If everything breaks right (ie. Henrik is happy and motivated, Kreider carries the baton, Zucc has plenty left in the tank, Skjei skates upstream in Year 3, Shattenkirk is healthy and effective, etc then that group would lurk for a playoff spot.
In the end, how does...oh, 'idk'...9th overall sound?
Mac n Gs
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I think it sounds overly optimistic, especially since I specifically chose to include all of the full-time NHL players in our system to fill that lineup and it still requires adding in AHL guys from last year. I'm not worried about Hank's happiness and motivation. The guy is the goddamn hallmark of consistency and loyalty when it comes to this organization, and I don't see why that would change. He was offered a chance to tell them he'd be willing to seek other options, and he chose to stick with us and commit through the rebuild. I do think we'll see improvements from Kreider next season, but I don't think they'll be vast enough to the point he'll be carrying the team's offense. He's a 50-55 point winger, and I think there's a chance he'll break 60 this season, but I don't see him hitting some enormous stride and becoming a 70+ point winger that can carry the offense. I've mentioned plenty of times that Skjei did well in his limited time as a 1D, so maybe there's a chance there, and I do think we'll see him take those additional strides. I'm a big Brady Skjei fan and want him locked up on a long-term contract. A healthy Shattenrkik is a phenomenal option, but I don't think he'll be able to make up for how weak the rest of our RD is right now.
Now for the flip side: picture my posted lineup, but try to integrate 18 and 19 year olds into the lineup, or imagine how it'll look once we have to deal with injuries. There's just not enough depth there, IMO. It'll be fine because the system has been stocked with players that should serve as a nice feeder system - including guys like Kravtsov, Chytil, Andersson, Howden, and Hajek who I think have higher-level talent. If they're smart about their asset management, they'll stick to the nucleus they have in place and keep adding assets to them. They'll have cap flexibility and don't have horrible contracts on the books bogging them down, which should be a useful option for them down the road to sign our RFAs to longer-term deals at moderate AAVs rather than crunching them with bridge deals.
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I don't know why people aren't mentioning Howden. I think he'll be on the squad this season and I think he'll be 3rd line (following Zibs and Hayes) by the All Star break.
Ghost of jas
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This almost needs to be stickied. This is pretty much what I have been saying.
Mac n Gs
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I've seen him play plenty, and I like him a lot. However, I don't think he's ready for full-time NHL minutes just yet. He needs to build off of a really strong D+2 year, and I think that'll be best served in Hartford for the most part. He had a really good short stint with the Syracuse Crunch two years ago, including some nice playoff performances, so I want to see him build on that AHL experience first.
The most important thing to me in developing our prospects this season is consistency. I never was a fan of the yo-yo treatment that Zucc, Kreider, and Miller received. Keep the kid in a specific role and environment and let him keep developing. The same goes for Lias and Chytil, and I think that all three of these kids will be ready for full-time minutes next season.
Pavel Buchnevich
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Hayes shouldn't be re-signed. Gotta manage the cap. If you want to bring in someone like Panarin or Karlsson, you'll have decisions to make eventually. We have Howden and Andersson who should be able to fill his role eventually. Will they be as good right away? Likely not, but we don't need them to be yet. Trade him now or at the deadline.
Skjei makes less sense to trade, but if they get a good deal, he could be traded also. Anyone on our team should be available to be traded. No untouchables in an organization without any elite talents. We have Rykov, Hajek, Miller, Lindgren all for the left-side. Am I wrong in thinking the Rangers expect all of them to be NHL'ers? Skjei being traded hurts our defense now, but giving him a big contract he doesn't deserve because he's our top LHD when he have similar level LHD coming probably isn't the best idea. What type of contract does he want? If its a big contract, put him on the block.
The Rangers should not feel the need to make moves to contend anytime soon. Manage the team as best as possible.
Skjei makes less sense to trade, but if they get a good deal, he could be traded also. Anyone on our team should be available to be traded. No untouchables in an organization without any elite talents. We have Rykov, Hajek, Miller, Lindgren all for the left-side. Am I wrong in thinking the Rangers expect all of them to be NHL'ers? Skjei being traded hurts our defense now, but giving him a big contract he doesn't deserve because he's our top LHD when he have similar level LHD coming probably isn't the best idea. What type of contract does he want? If its a big contract, put him on the block.
The Rangers should not feel the need to make moves to contend anytime soon. Manage the team as best as possible.
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I agree they aren't bad enough to get those high draft picks. Oddly enough, it's possible even if they had those picks, they wouldn't even draft the "right" guys at their spots. Gordie always seems to have his own list that's unpredictable. We could end up with a top 3 pick and Gordie picks a guy most people projected lower. I mean, this is routine behavior at this point for the Rangers.
Actually yea.. now that I think of it, Im not even mad that we aren't bad enough to get those high picks. Rangers brass would just make selections that would still leave most of us scratching our heads... at least we'd end up with character tho
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Well this makes it official, Zucc wants to be an Islander.
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Curious that Andersson, Chytil, Georgiev aren't on your squad.
Hrm. They might be a bottom five group. They might challenge for a playoff spot. It's really dependent on a lot of variables. Is Zibs healthy the entire year? Does Smith figure it out? Does Hayes take another step forward? Do Andersson and Chytil make the squad and make an impact? Does Pionk play like he played in 20+ games last season? Does ADA take a step forward? Does Buch?
Too many variables to guarantee that this team does anything in one direction or another.
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