Yeah I think calling Crouse a blue chipper is a bit disingenuous.
He was a high pick who had started to lose his luster before he was even drafted.
Not to mention that Bolland had 3 years left on his deal as opposed to 2.
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Yeah I think calling Crouse a blue chipper is a bit disingenuous.
He was a high pick who had started to lose his luster before he was even drafted.
Not to mention that Bolland had 3 years left on his deal as opposed to 2.
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I'm not so sure about Sergachev not going. Keeping the expansion draft in mind, Hedman has a NMC, McD has a NTC, and I can't imagine Karlsson not asking for a NMC if he signs long term with them. That's their 3 protected defensemen. There's a chance they lose Sergachev to expansion anyway, so trading him and keeping a would-be exempt Foote might be the smarter move for them.
I am not to sure about Cally being moved. NTC plus the way he left the Rangers. I think Bobby Ryan and his contract are the issue. He can be traded without permission and if the Sens are taking 50 to 75 cents on the dollar for EK, disposing of Bobby Ryan I believe needs to be part of the trade equation.
I see Stephens thrown out a lot, but I like Joseph more. Joseph and the unconditional first for Callahan and a 4th or something would be good with me.
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Yzerman didn’t want to move Foote for McDonagh - he’s sure as hell not going to throw him away to clear some cap space, especially when he’s also going to have to give a lot of good pieces to Ottawa.
TB will quickly have one of thinnest pools in the league if they give Ottawa multiple futures for Karlsson and hand us a top prospect for nothing.
Stop thinking a Foote for cap space situation is realistic. Imo it’s 100% not.
TB will quickly have one of thinnest pools in the league if they give Ottawa multiple futures for Karlsson and hand us a top prospect for nothing.
Stop thinking a Foote for cap space situation is realistic. Imo it’s 100% not.
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I would have been happy if the only thing the Rangers did this offseason was get Mason and Armia from Winnipeg for nothing like Montreal did, and Bergevin is no genius.
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Holy shit, the revisionist history is truly remarkable on these boards sometimes.
Yeah, I’d be cool with him too. I’m keen on Stephens because you can ser Barb Underhill really has transformed his skating, and the kid has some wicked lateral agility and acceleration. They’re both on the two-way, playmaking side, and both will be wingers at the NHL level. Joseph has better hands, IMO.
Yeah, I’d be cool with him too. I’m keen on Stephens because you can ser Barb Underhill really has transformed his skating, and the kid has some wicked lateral agility and acceleration. They’re both on the two-way, playmaking side, and both will be wingers at the NHL level. Joseph has better hands, IMO.
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Agree to disagree then.
Actually, the only difference I see is that unlike Florida and Detroit, Tampa is gunning for a Cup, which means they are more likely to pay a heavier price.
Winnipeg (Cup Contender) just sent Armia to dump Mason. Erik Brannstrom is Vegas property because Columbus (Cup contender) wanted to get rid of Clarkson's contract.
Edit -- Sorry, it was Suzuki, not Brannstrom that ended up in Vegas via the Clarkson trade. And a 2019 2nd. The point still stands.
Stop acting like it's impossible to trade away a valuable prospect or asset in order to complete a salary dump.
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It is also possible that the Rangers end up with half of Karlsson’s salary rather than taking on Callahan.
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They could, but that doesn't really do anything for anybody.
Tampa is not trading for one year of Karlsson. They will want to extend him. Getting rid of the final two years of Callahan's contract will go further to helping that than us retaining 50% on EK65.
Tampa will have to pay more for that, but they will be more than willing.
There is no point in doing so.
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100% agree. If they want the Rangers' help to make this deal work, give us some prospects / additional picks to make it worth it.
Otherwise, TB should feel free to involve a different 3rd team to make their trade work, which will increase the odds of the pick converting to a 1st anyway.
If TB trades for Karlsson, it's good for the Rangers, whether or not they are actually the 3rd team. So, make it worth our while to be the 3rd team.
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So McDonagh can’t get you Sergachev but taking on Cally does...Callahan’s contract is not that bad. Even Ryan’s contract won’t have a piece like Serg going with it. And also-you said TBL won’t be able to afford Serg in 3-4 years. That’s still very valuable to them because he’s already a top 4 dman on his ELC. For a team who’ll be limited with cap they NEED that. Would be dumb to trade away Serg now, they could just move a pick with Cally/expendable contract and up it a bit more with Killorn/Coburn
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Totally reasonable request. Totally reasonable cost. But Ottawa wants a 1st back for 2019. This probably is one of the dozen or so reasons why there is a hold up.
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And that’s what we should expect. We’re going a bit crazy talking names like Foote
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He doesn’t have a contract and I’m not even sure you can retain on a contract that’s not currently active.
Exactly.
It does push the issue out a year, which might be appealing to Yzerman. He’d have more information on the Kucherov and Point extensions to make clearer decisions.
Yep.
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For the moment lets take out the names they used the pick on
Rangers traded #48 and #26 for #22
With #39 they took a goalie
What value is the ~#31 pick to them versus the ~#60 anyway especially given they may end up with that #31 pick by not doing anything.
I think there has to be something there besides that value and I'm not thinking Stephens or Joseph really makes it up.
I'd probably want their 1st and 2nd in 2020 guaranteed non lottery protected plus a meh prospect for the cap dump plus giving that conditional pick back.
Then they can use that 2019 pick to give to Ottawa plus whatever else they need to.
In the process the Rangers spread out their picks a little bit too, if they sell this trade deadline they likely end up with two 1st in 2019, plus they would have two more for 2020.
That would be 4 consecutive drafts with 9 first round picks plus a couple extra 2nds all spread out a little bit.
Should even half those picks make the NHL not having most of those contracts end the same year would give them more flexibility, and it gives them a constant feeder supply to maybe help their AHL team become a place where they can leave some good prospects to mature instead of having them finish near to last place every year.
Rangers traded #48 and #26 for #22
With #39 they took a goalie
What value is the ~#31 pick to them versus the ~#60 anyway especially given they may end up with that #31 pick by not doing anything.
I think there has to be something there besides that value and I'm not thinking Stephens or Joseph really makes it up.
I'd probably want their 1st and 2nd in 2020 guaranteed non lottery protected plus a meh prospect for the cap dump plus giving that conditional pick back.
Then they can use that 2019 pick to give to Ottawa plus whatever else they need to.
In the process the Rangers spread out their picks a little bit too, if they sell this trade deadline they likely end up with two 1st in 2019, plus they would have two more for 2020.
That would be 4 consecutive drafts with 9 first round picks plus a couple extra 2nds all spread out a little bit.
Should even half those picks make the NHL not having most of those contracts end the same year would give them more flexibility, and it gives them a constant feeder supply to maybe help their AHL team become a place where they can leave some good prospects to mature instead of having them finish near to last place every year.
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Brassard not so much--they saved real $ and got a piece that was NHL-ready and they didn't have to deal with developing him. The Rangers took that on themselves for ZIbanejad. In hindsight, it wasn't a good trade, but it at least made sense.
That Duchene trade was ALL about $$$... Melnyk didn't want to extend Turris, and somehow he/Dorion bought into the "Duchene is a game changing talent", which he is not (60-65 point 1st line center yes, but not a franchise center/game changing talent), so he foregoed the 6 year extension for 2 years of Duchene, and the cost of that was their 1st round pick and some prospects that we're not necessary at the time.
What Ottawa needs to do now is clean house. Sell Karlsson, Duchene, (UFAs) Stone, and Ceci (RFAs) for the best deal they can as soon as possible. Ryan and Gaborik are their two cap anchors, and Smith was an unnecessary extension for them, but other than those contracts they have a clean cap sheet. next year they have a ton of useless UFA depth that expires. They should be gutting anything of use, and attempting to get a 1st round pick back. This is the very start of their rebuild, so those pieces should be on the move relatively soon.
Planting the seeds now so they can complain later.
I think Stephens+condition dropped may even be a wee bit optimistic, though if Tampa is desperate enough I think we can swing it.
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