GDT: Free Agent Frenzy 2022

[justashadowof]

Kerfoot's minimal salary this season is very attractive no doubt. Attractive to all of the teams on Kerfoot's no trade list.

 

[Gaberd2608]

If Kerfoot is traded, how do the Leafs have enough ice time for Holl and Sandin. One of them would have to sit every night, and the relationship between Sandin and the organization already seems to be fractured because of that.

Rielly. Brodie
Muzzin. Lily
Gio/Sandin. Gio/sandin
Holl

I am sure one of Gio/Sandin could play RD.

I am surprised so many people want to move Muzzin. Come playoffs, i see him being more useful then Sandin over the next year or two. We are in win now mode, if Sandin cannot see that perhaps we should trade him instead.

Gio, Muzzin, and Brodie are all on their last legs. Sandin should embrace the opportunity to learn from them rather then complain about icetime.

If I was Dubas, I would try to package, Keefoot, Sandin, and whatever else is needed and try and get a real upgrade at 2LW.

 

[Gallagbi]

Rielly. Brodie
Muzzin. Lily
Gio/Sandin. Gio/sandin
Holl

I am sure one of Gio/Sandin could play RD.

I am surprised so many people want to move Muzzin. Come playoffs, i see him being more useful then Sandin over the next year or two. We are in win now mode, if Sandin cannot see that perhaps we should trade him instead.

Gio, Muzzin, and Brodie are all on their last legs. Sandin should embrace the opportunity to learn from them rather then complain about icetime.

If I was Dubas, I would try to package, Keefoot, Sandin, and whatever else is needed and try and get a real upgrade at 2LW.

Part of me wonders if we'll see somethijg like

Muzz - Rielly
Gio - Lily
Sandin - Brodie

They used Rielly a decent amount on Rd in the playoffs and Sandin seems resistent to it.

Gets Muzz out of some of the tough defensive minutes and they can use Gio-Lily for any necessary heavy lifting on matchups. Brodie spots up in thr lineup as needed

 

[New Liskeard]

Sandin + Holl for Roy from LA
Kerfoot for ducks 3rd and wild 3rd 2023
Sign Stastny 3 x 1, Zar 1.5 x 2

Bunting Matthews Marner
Robertson Tavares Nylander
Engvall Stastny Jarnkrok
Zar Kampf Nak

Reilly Roy
Muzzin Brodie
Gio Liljegren

Murray
Samsonov

Who would be the 7th D when injuries occur?

 

[MarMarSab3]

Who would be the 7th D when injuries occur?

Benn, Mete, Kral

 

[New Liskeard]

Benn, Mete, Kral

That would be terrible.

 

[MarMarSab3]

That's why they are 7s, who do you want as a 7 Bobby Orr?

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

And it worked despite a ton of criticism did it not?

Pretty sure we heard the same criticism about Bunting last year too, and that worked out pretty darn well.

The Leafs need a guy who can play a specific way. Anderson may not be sexy, but he plays that specific way and we don't need sexy if it is going to be cost-prohibitive.

I look at it like this:

(Realistic) Best case: We get a guy who can put up 20-25 goals and 40-50 points with Tavares and Nylander and 2LW is no longer a problem.

Worst case: We have to make 2LW another rotation of guys like McMann (who could also be a solid fit for that line), Steeves, Robertson, Abruzzese, Holmberg, and whichever cheap UFA we sign if (or when) we trade Kerfoot. Or you can even try Engvall. We have to ride out the regular season with a 2nd line which has been able to make it work with far from optimal 3rd wheels until we can try out what is likely the ultimate option in Matthew Knies.

Knies is why committing major money to 2LW makes zero sense and trying out an unproven but low commitment and high upside option like Anderson makes a ton of sense.

I’m actually a fan of Anderson, I love the Hyman types so if he can even be a Hyman-lite, that would be unreal for us. But I think Hyman is a very unique person and player. I don’t know that you want to heap that pressure on Anderson unless you’re of the mindset of throwing a player into the fire and seeing if they burn or develop immunity. That would be fine, IMO, for a team with lower expectations like a PO bubble team but I don’t like that strategy for a supposed contender.

I’d immediately move Kerfoot and Holl for draft assets and zero retention. Then immediately go Niederraiter on a 1 yr show-me deal for around 3, if possible, and if not him then Heinen for 2.5 or less. He may potentially have a more limited offensive ceiling compared to Anderson, but he’s got a decent touch, decent metrics, and can forecheck/win battles.
But really my eye has been on Nino all offseason because he’s a very solid all around player and o think he would really thrive with the 2nd line. I’m upset already because I know we’re going to either not have talked to him at all or if we are interested, we’ll time out due to cap constraints.

For me, you’ve already replaced Kerf for a much cheaper long term option in Jarnkrok and I actually really like Lilly so I’m good with him as 2RD with Muzz or even Gio and then shift Muzz to bottom pair to load manage him due to injury concerns. Then you also move Holl for a draft pick because he’ll command at least 4 on open market so we’ll lose him for nothing anyways and we won’t be trading him at the DL to get an asset unless we’re out of a playoff spot. So do it now, even if only for a 3rd and give Lilly his spot

 

[Fogelhund]

That would be terrible.

You really believe that teams have better, or substantially better #7's?

 

[dubplatepressure]

You really believe that teams have better, or substantially better #7's?

They don't. Mete, Benn, and Karl are fine #7s. Dahlstrom was also fine last year.

 

[Fogelhund]

I’m actually a fan of Anderson, I love the Hyman types so if he can even be a Hyman-lite, that would be unreal for us. But I think Hyman is a very unique person and player. I don’t know that you want to heap that pressure on Anderson unless you’re of the mindset of throwing a player into the fire and seeing if they burn or develop immunity. That would be fine, IMO, for a team with lower expectations like a PO bubble team but I don’t like that strategy for a supposed contender.

I’d immediately move Kerfoot and Holl for draft assets and zero retention. Then immediately go Niederraiter on a 1 yr show-me deal for around 3, if possible, and if not him then Heinen for 2.5 or less. He may potentially have a more limited offensive ceiling compared to Anderson, but he’s got a decent touch, decent metrics, and can forecheck/win battles.
But really my eye has been on Nino all offseason because he’s a very solid all around player and o think he would really thrive with the 2nd line. I’m upset already because I know we’re going to either not have talked to him at all or if we are interested, we’ll time out due to cap constraints.

For me, you’ve already replaced Kerf for a much cheaper long term option in Jarnkrok and I actually really like Lilly so I’m good with him as 2RD with Muzz or even Gio and then shift Muzz to bottom pair to load manage him due to injury concerns. Then you also move Holl for a draft pick because he’ll command at least 4 on open market so we’ll lose him for nothing anyways and we won’t be trading him at the DL to get an asset unless we’re out of a playoff spot. So do it now, even if only for a 3rd and give Lilly his spot

I no longer see a path to Nino, I don't think that we have the cap space. With a 20 person roster, we seem to have about $2.4-$2.6 mil right now... and I don't think that's enough to sign him. He's going to need around $5 mil +. and we just don't have that. (That's with Holl kept, Sandin traded... or assuming Holl is traded, Sandin comes in around $2 mil)

My opinion is that's it's probably best to keep Sandin, and move Holl... but for Cap discussions, it's probably irrelevant.

I personally favour ELC guys like Bastian and McLeod... but the latter has the Hockey Canada investigation issue currently. They bring some size, physicality, PK ability, and I personally think that there is more offensive upside. If we traded for both of these guys, we'd have a choice... go with Robertson and have some cap space for future moves... or just go ahead and sign someone with that money. It's a bit of an ongoing joke here, but I wouldn't be opposed to signing Kessel on the cheap and trying him. If you don't get another C in McLeod, Stastny is an idea, probably within our budget.

 

[ToneDog]

Kerfoot's minimal salary this season is very attractive no doubt. Attractive to all of the teams on Kerfoot's no trade list.

Hate to see Kerfoot go and be replaced by a lesser player. Dubas needs to find an upgrade and one way is to find a budget team with a better player who is owned more real dollars than his AAV and that AAV has to be lower than Kerfoot's.

 

[New Liskeard]

That's why they are 7s, who do you want as a 7 Bobby Orr?

Serviceable NHLers. I dont recall the last time the Leafs only played 6 D for an entire season. Injuries are a guarantee, and like them or not, the Leafs are a much better team with Sandin and Holl filling in for injuries than Mete and Benn.

 

[The Nic]

That's why they are 7s, who do you want as a 7 Bobby Orr?

Orr, Park and Potvin... cuz that's how these things work.

 

[New Liskeard]

You really believe that teams have better, or substantially better #7's?

Not interested in other teams 7th Defencemen. To suggest Mete and Benn are better 7 and 8 D than Sandin and Holl is ridiculous.

 

[RoadWarrior]

The leafs have too many D men.

It's one of Muzzin or Holl going out the door.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Hate to see Kerfoot go and be replaced by a lesser player. Dubas needs to find an upgrade and one way is to find a budget team with a better player who is owned more real dollars than his AAV and that AAV has to be lower than Kerfoot's.

Is the going package for a 2LW Sandin, Kerfoot, and our 1st? The cap restrictions make this a hard fit. Maybe Marchessault out of Vegas? Doesn't address size but scoring, definitely. JT Miller obviously, Comtois, Farabee... tough to know who's out there and available right now. Tarasenko always seems to be in the rumour mill and apparently owed only $5.5M this year. We'd need to move Holl with Kerfoot and they may need to retain.

 

[Fogelhund]

Not interested in other teams 7th Defencemen. To suggest Mete and Benn are better 7 and 8 D than Sandin and Holl is ridiculous.

$2 mil cap spent on a #7 is a waste given our holes in other areas.

 

[ULF_55]

You draft and sign prospects for the purpose of promoting them to the NHL.

How many are in the projected line-ups?

Engvall from 2014 draft

Perhaps the problem isn't the Cap.

 

[zeke]

$2 mil cap spent on a #7 is a waste given our holes in other areas.

also given that our top-6 is all guys that can handle top 4 duty.

 

[ToneDog]

Is the going package for a 2LW Sandin, Kerfoot, and our 1st? The cap restrictions make this a hard fit. Maybe Marchessault out of Vegas? Doesn't address size but scoring, definitely. JT Miller obviously, Comtois, Farabee... tough to know who's out there and available right now. Tarasenko always seems to be in the rumour mill and apparently owed only $5.5M this year. We'd need to move Holl with Kerfoot and they may need to retain.

Yeah, this makes sense. IMO (on paper) we have downgraded our bottom 6. We can't afford to further downgrade up front if and when we move Kerfoot.

 

[zeke]

You draft and sign prospects for the purpose of promoting them to the NHL.

How many are in the projected line-ups?

Engvall from 2014 draft

Perhaps the problem isn't the Cap.

it's interesting how scared fans are to project any prospects into the lineup.

Anyways there's no reason why we can't have a whole whack of kids from the last 5 drafts in the lineup this year - Liljegren, Sandin, Robertson, Knies, Abruzzese, Holmberg, (Steeves, Anderson).

 

[SprDaVE]

You draft and sign prospects for the purpose of promoting them to the NHL.

How many are in the projected line-ups?

Engvall from 2014 draft

Perhaps the problem isn't the Cap.

You missed quite a lot of them? Engvall isn't the only player drafted and signed by the Leafs on the team.

But if you mean only forwards and in recent years, that's what happens when you are contending, more or less. With that said, this is also why the Leafs are likely to leave spots for those young players coming up, and they should. Steeves, Anderson and Robertson played some NHL games last year, probably will again.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

We have a forward depth issue, and a glut of bottom pair defensemen. We were attempting to trade Dermott/Holl all of last year.

I think Holl is moved and we hang onto Kerfoot. This might be the final move Dubas makes this offseason.

 

[ULF_55]

You missed quite a lot of them? Engvall isn't the only player drafted and signed by the Leafs on the team.

But if you mean only forwards and in recent years, that's what happens when you are contending, more or less. With that said, this is also why the Leafs are likely to leave spots for those young players coming up, and they should. Steeves, Anderson and Robertson played some NHL games last year, probably will again.

I mean outside the 1st. round.

If you can only hit on 1st. rounders, might as well just fire your scouting staff and go with Central Scouting.