Speculation: Free Agency Thread
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trevorftw
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The identity of the team has been a strongly defensive minded team. You can argue that the team hasn't improved its weakness, but you can't say it hasn't taken away from its strength through keeping Shattenkirk.
And that turned out to be wrong, just like the prediction the Blues wouldn't be a better playoff team.
I'm skeptical on depending on Jaskin and Rattie having major offensive roles, too, but am at least willing to see if they can be productive.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Armstrong has never said he's done. His words were he's expecting to start the season with Shattenkirk.
Which is the exact thing he said before the draft, since he's under contract.
I'm with Alklha on this, it means nothing. He's not going to say "we have to move Shattenkirk." GMs do this all the time, just like how Bergevin said he wasn't even considering moving Subban.
Oshie wasn't traded at this time yet one year ago. Logic says Armstrong isn't done.
Which is the exact thing he said before the draft, since he's under contract.
I'm with Alklha on this, it means nothing. He's not going to say "we have to move Shattenkirk." GMs do this all the time, just like how Bergevin said he wasn't even considering moving Subban.
Oshie wasn't traded at this time yet one year ago. Logic says Armstrong isn't done.
joshyhockey26
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I feel like you've said this beforeArmy doesn't usually BS to the media. He's a pretty straight-shooter. If he says he's done, he's usually done.
I don't believe I have, although I did think we'd get something done at the draft. Once the draft passes there isn't a real incentive for teams to make a trade before UFA, it gives them the chance for "free" assets and gives them a clearer indication of their payroll.
After the draft passes, the first week of July is most likely time.
I stand by it though, if we were talking extension a week ago and were now resigned to keeping him, Armstrong would be talking extension again. Instead he is saying "anything is possible" when it comes to trading for a forward.
trevorftw
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Ah. 4th line injury insurance makes a lot more sense than what I was thinking. Decent AHL numbers though. I dont think I've seen him play in his short NHL stints.
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Perron is back
Me right now:
Alklha said:
As would the rest of the Blues fan base lol
Thank God I went to gym, had bad feeling about this night, but I had blast to read this thread and now I can drink my glass of wine in good spirit and relax.
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A little late because I am in the office today but I am beyond thrilled we didn't anywhere near those deals for DB and TB. Those deals are really gonna hurt in 2-3 years and DB's could hurt even sooner then that. This was a lose lose for Army. Let them go and "he isn't doing anything" and if he signs them then "he is hanging on to +30 players that are going to decline faster and faster."
I am so so on Perron, I would have almost preferred Staal now that I saw how close the $ is. Hutton is a decent backup for Allen. I am going to hold off on Allen extension as well. I just hope Corsi and Marty are right. Allen has to be a game changer this coming season. No if ands or buts. I am going to miss 42 a lot but I can say I wouldn't have signed him either.
Hears to getting an insane return for 22.
I am so so on Perron, I would have almost preferred Staal now that I saw how close the $ is. Hutton is a decent backup for Allen. I am going to hold off on Allen extension as well. I just hope Corsi and Marty are right. Allen has to be a game changer this coming season. No if ands or buts. I am going to miss 42 a lot but I can say I wouldn't have signed him either.
Hears to getting an insane return for 22.
I could see Armstrong trying to resign Shatty. In my opinion, this is a re-tool to position us for a move to a younger core. Depending on how well Steen does, he could be let go after this season or even if he was wanting a longer term contract and they weren't willing to take the chance. Stastny could go the year after that. That pretty much rids us of the "old guys." This looks like preparation for Yeo taking over a younger core next season with a fresh start. We don't have enough cap or moves left to really do anything this season. With Backes' departure, our pp is going to take a really bad downgrade if we get rid of Shatty, too. I don't see Shatty getting traded unless it is for a forward in his mid twenties (don't know any that would help us at this point) or a combination pick/prospect. The forward lineup where we sit right now is laughable if anyone tries to convince me that the organization is serious about any sort of playoff run this coming season.
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Falco Lombardi
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Schwartz-Lehtera-Tarasenko
Fabbri-Steen-Perron
Berglund-Sobotka-Jaskin
Upshall-Brodziak-Reaves
What a joke. That's not a playoff team
Fabbri-Steen-Perron
Berglund-Sobotka-Jaskin
Upshall-Brodziak-Reaves
What a joke. That's not a playoff team
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Same way Toews got 10.5M. Teams overpay for leadership and defensive ability in forwards.
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You also happened to leave out our 2nd most expensive forward. That would hurt a lot of teams.
Falco Lombardi
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You're right.
Schwartz-Lehtera-Tarasenko
Fabbri-Stastny-Berglund
Sobotka-Steen-Perron
Upshall-Brodziak-Reaves
Jaskin
Still not a playoff team.
All Army needs to do is complete a quality trade of Shatty that includes Berglund for a good Winger/Center with wheels and that line-up looks a lot more dangerous. Also, you don't have Stastny in your line-up, which pushes Reaves as an extra forward. Here is what they could roll out with what they have now:
Schwartz - Steen - Tarasenko
Fabbri - Stastny - Perron
Sobotka - Lehtera - Berglund
Upshall - Brodziak - Jaskin
ex: Reaves, Rattie
If you trade Berglund with Shatty and get a fast RW to replace him I think his is a pretty solid forward line-up. I'm expecting Schwartz to be better next year and Fabbri to continue to improve. I love the chemistry between Fabbri and Stastny and think if they play the whole year together they will put up great numbers. This line-up will make the playoffs if they can stay relatively healthy.
Falco Lombardi
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Someone explain how they expect Army to get ANYTHING CLOSE to value when Shatty won't sign. And then people will complain that Army failed.
He's screwed up plenty but he's not at all responsible for the mess with Shattenkirk
He's screwed up plenty but he's not at all responsible for the mess with Shattenkirk
Shattenkirk's value is around what Lucic got last summer with no extension: 13th overall, a late first and a good young player (Miller).
With an extension he is worth Hall.
You can only work with what you are offered, and we don't know what was offered. What we do know is that the public nature of the trade was stupid from day 1. The fact he still isn't talking extension is stupid. Stop making it look like we absolutely need to trade him. We can afford Shattenkirk next season, it just isn't the best use of our cap space.
At this point we have to look at extending him with a limited NTC (5 teams he will accept a trade to?) in the first 2 years and a full NTC in the later years.
This situation, the Oshie trade, the Miller trade, the attempts to trade Berglund, Halák and Stewart make it abundantly clear that Armstrong isn't good enough in this department. He is a decent GM, but he is not good with trades.
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Yes it most certainly is. We lost David Backes and Troy Brouwer, not Tarasenko and Schwartz. This team will easily make the playoffs, I just don't think they'll do anything once we get there.
You also forgot the strongest portion of our team:
JBo-Petro
Gunnar-Parayko/Shatty
Eddy-Parayko/Shatty
Still one of the best D groups in the league.
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It totally is and a good one at that.
Fabbri is going to be a star. Colton is the Next Shea Weber. Blues scare the crap out of me.
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We're in agreement here. I think right now the question shouldn't be whether or not if the Blues are a playoff team, just whether they're one of the top teams in the West that have a legitimate chance at winning the cup or not next season.
I think the team's upside, assuming natural progression from Fabbri and Jaskin steps up, is about what it was last season if no further moves are made.
If Fabbri progresses and Jaskin plateaus at his current level, then I think we'll see a Blues team that is 3rd or 4th in the Central, gets a WC spot, and loses in the 1st.
We have taken a step back. We are not in a position to take a serious run this season. Not by a long shot.
