Post-Game Talk: Free Agency Part 2

[Belial]

...that's why he's got such good value in a deal, now...no long term commitment...

Contending teams are usually cap strapped as hell, you rarely see someone able to absorb such a contract at the TDL and 2 more years on top of it.

Pending UFA's 50% retained are usually your best trading chip at the TDL.

Weegar with his 3.25M salary + 50% retained should generate a hell of an auction at the next TDL.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Contending teams are usually cap strapped as hell, you rarely see someone able to absorb such a contract at the TDL and 2 more years on top of it.

Pending UFA's 50% retained are usually your best trading chip at the TDL.

Weegar with his 3.25M salary + 50% retained should generate a hell of an auction at the next TDL.

...I agree that Hubs and Weegar are the biggest trade chips by far, but if Mangy can repeat last season, I can see a team or two offering a half decent package for him as well...

 

[Vachon23]

Contending teams are usually cap strapped as hell, you rarely see someone able to absorb such a contract at the TDL and 2 more years on top of it.

Pending UFA's 50% retained are usually your best trading chip at the TDL.

Weegar with his 3.25M salary + 50% retained should generate a hell of an auction at the next TDL.

Weegar is exactly the type of player that a team will overpay for at the TDL, especially that he’s a RD.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

A few years later after the infamous "Trade", Subban is looking for another NHL stint and Weber is unoffically retired. Dadonov is the consolation prize for the Habs. What will Dadonov fetch next year? Stay tuned...

The Preds obtained a much bigger haul for sending Subban to Jersey, which they somehow turned into Luke Kunin and prospect Adam Wilsby.

 

[LaP]

A few years later after the infamous "Trade", Subban is looking for another NHL stint and Weber is unoffically retired. Dadonov is the consolation prize for the Habs. What will Dadonov fetch next year? Stay tuned...

The Preds obtained a much bigger haul for sending Subban to Jersey, which they somehow turned into Luke Kunin and prospect Adam Wilsby.

The return Nashville got for Subban is :

Prospect Egor Afanasyev (looks like a bust)
Prospect Alexander Campbell (still in university)
Steven Santini (AHL player riding his luck in the NHL as a journeyman)
Then prospect Jemery Davies
Luke Kunin (mediocre 3rd line player)
Prospect Adam Wilsby (still in Europe)

The second 2nd round pick was used to dump Nick Bonino's contract (i hope). The trade was Kunin and a 4th round pick for Bonino's contract, a 3rd round pick and a 2th round pick. No way a guy like Kunin was worth a 2nd round pick and a 3rd round pick in the off season.

It doesn't really matter what Dandonov returns unless KH can somehow get an unprotected first for him and pick top 15 which will not happen unless KH is a genius. The trade at the end of the day was pretty bad for both teams. When you have pieces like Subban and Weber to trade and you don't have a contending team you got to get a lot more than that as a return. What you have to do is do like Calgary when they got Iginla for Nieuwendyk.

Still don't understand why people discuss that trade. Get over it guys both team lost. You might like Subban more. You might like Weber more. You might love MB more than anything else including your mom (which is the case for some guys around here). At the end of the day those kind of return 5 years after the fact is simply not enough for the kind of player both team traded. It would be good only in a win now situation where you actually win and both team failed at it.

 

[Adam Michaels]

His arbitration hearing was this morning. So Devils and Bratt avoid it with this contract.

 

[dcyhabs]

Buffalo still has $19M in cap space even with Skinner's contract. And they have no one left to sign aside from Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen, who is someone from the minors (similar to Habs having Primeau unsigned).

I'm surprised Buffalo hasn't made more moves. They should be moving out of the rebuild and using their cap space to acquire guys who can put them over the top. I suppose the problem is that most guys don't want to go to Buffalo. They may be waiting to maximize what they get out of their cap space, make sure they get a couple of really good players instead of payment to take bad contracts.

 

[LaP]

I'm surprised Buffalo hasn't made more moves. They should be moving out of the rebuild and using their cap space to acquire guys who can put them over the top. I suppose the problem is that most guys don't want to go to Buffalo. They may be waiting to maximize what they get out of their cap space, make sure they get a couple of really good players instead of payment to take bad contracts.

I think offensively they probably want to wait and see what they got in Quinn, Krebs and Peterka. But i'm surprised they did not try to sign or acquire two defensive vets to play with Dahlin and Power.

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

I’m surprise no one took a shot yet on Sam Steel

Not to imply any guilt, the World Junior scandal might be playing a role

Some teams may be staying clear of any potential issues

 

[dcyhabs]

I think offensively they probably want to wait and see what they got in Quinn, Krebs and Peterka. But i'm surprised they did not try to sign or acquire two defensive vets to play with Dahlin and Power.

They may have a point. Teams are getting desperate enough to give away good players and package picks to dump guys who aren't bad. They may get a better deal close to the salary cap deadline, though it could go the other way if teams succeed in working out their cap issues.

 

[Vachon23]

Not to imply any guilt, the World Junior scandal might be playing a role

Some teams may be staying clear of any potential issues

He did said he wasn’t implicate though and many other players like Mete and Clague did sign. Not sure, it’s because of that.

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

He did said he wasn’t implicate though and many other players like Mete and Clague did sign. Not sure, it’s because of that.

Fair enough. I hadnt seen much on him, just Mete and few others

Maybe just a cap casuality currently as teams seem pretty stingy with cap currently. Its pretty dead all around

 

[LaP]

Fair enough. I hadnt seen much on him, just Mete and few others

Maybe just a cap casuality currently as teams seem pretty stingy with cap currently. Its pretty dead all around

At this point if you do not sign for league's minimum it's going to be hard to sign anywhere. All winning teams spent to the cap and Steel is too old to interest teams rebuilding or even a bubble team. All teams already got their own Sam Steel in the pipeline. He will interest winning teams if he accept to sign for league's bare minimum. He's probably looking for a raise from his previous (almost) league's minimum contract.

Lot of agents will need to wake up in the upcoming years. It used to be a good idea to wait to sign until a fish would bite. But now if you have not sign in the first 2 weeks there's likely no more money for you. It might be unfair but it is what it is.

 

[Guy Larose]

At this point if you do not sign for league's minimum it's going to be hard to sign anywhere. All winning teams spent to the cap and Steel is too old to interest teams rebuilding or even a bubble team. All teams already got their own Sam Steel in the pipeline. He will interest winning teams if he accept to sign for league's bare minimum. He's probably looking for a raise from his previous (almost) league's minimum contract.

Lot of agents will need to wake up in the upcoming years. It used to be a good idea to wait to sign until a fish would bite. But now if you have not sign in the first 2 weeks there's likely no more money for you. It might be unfair but it is what it is.

He's 24....this place LMAO

 

[Zilo44]

He's 24....this place LMAO

Same as Dubois who fits our window perfectly

 

[Habs Halifax]

He's 24....this place LMAO

24 is the new 30+ age I guess.

At this point if you do not sign for league's minimum it's going to be hard to sign anywhere. All winning teams spent to the cap and Steel is too old to interest teams rebuilding or even a bubble team. All teams already got their own Sam Steel in the pipeline. He will interest winning teams if he accept to sign for league's bare minimum. He's probably looking for a raise from his previous (almost) league's minimum contract.

Lot of agents will need to wake up in the upcoming years. It used to be a good idea to wait to sign until a fish would bite. But now if you have not sign in the first 2 weeks there's likely no more money for you. It might be unfair but it is what it is.

I'm personally not interested in Steel but he's not too old for rebuilding teams. That's a flawed reason not to be interested.

Agents know what's up. It's flat cap for a few years and that has created many problems we have not seen before. However, that won't last forever and the cap will rise once the NHLPA pays off their balance. They are already $400M+ ahead of schedule after last season.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Same as Dubois who fits our window perfectly

Dubois agent has spoken to Hughes this summer (before his 1 year deal was signed). The narrative was likely about how do we accelerate Dubois to the Habs? Both strategized and talked several outcomes that may or may not play out in the next 2 years. Both the Habs and Dubois know there is mutual interest so they will continue to have an open mind. Does Dubois accept a sign/trade with another team where he comes with an extension? Possible but I think he makes them pay or he tells them he will head to UFA like he did with the Jets. We are likely talking about a very short list of teams and the Avs might be one of them. Does Sakic make the move for his 2 RFA years only? Possible but not sure. He has MacKinnon who needs a new contract as well.

 

[LaP]

Same as Dubois who fits our window perfectly

You kind of prove my point. Dubois is a 60 points player already. He's wysiwyg. It happens that player make huge stride in their development past 24 but it's more an exception than a norm. Usually past 24 we talk about incremental progress gained thru experience. Steel is not an interesting prospect anymore. Teams rebuilding have multiple younger Steel in the pipeline. They are looking for good vets to surround them not for reclamation projects. He's nothing special assuming he's not signed because of the scandal is LMAO to quote someone. A more probable explanation is he's asking for too much in a cap era and he's nothing special so teams pass.

 

[LaP]

24 is the new 30+ age I guess.

20 points is the new 80 points i guess ...

 

[Habs Halifax]

20 points is the new 80 points i guess ...

When evaluating Steel, you don't devalue him cause he is age 24. Most players who are not stars have primes from 24/25-30/31 years.

I'm not interested in Steel but it's not because of his age.

 

[LaP]

When evaluating Steel, you don't devalue him cause he is age 24. Most players who are not stars have primes from 24/25-30/31 years.

I'm not interested in Steel but it's not because of his age.

Obviously my god. Sometime this board ... obviously if Steel would be a good 40+ middle six players he would already be signed. Why do i even have to specify that???? He's not a prospect anymore that's what i meant. He's a medicore (at best) bottom 6 player and at this point in a cap era he'll have to accept a bad contract which he's probably still not ready to accept.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Obviously my god. Sometime this board ... obviously if Steel would be a good 40+ middle six players he would probably already be signed. Why do i even have to specify that???? He's not a prospect anymore that's what i meant. He's a medicore (at best) bottom 6 player and in a cap era he'll have to accept a bad contract at this point which he's probably still not ready to accept.

I don't like the reason to not be interested in Steel to be his age 24 and how that don't work for rebuilding teams. Sorry. I'm not a fan of his development track up to this point and it's not that much different than Poehling.

 

[LaP]

I don't like the reason to not be interested in Steel to be his age 24 and how that don't work for rebuilding teams. Sorry. I'm not a fan of his development track up to this point and it's not that much different than Poehling.

Forget about the age for a sec. He's not a prospect nor young rookie anymore. If you want to argue he's still in that stage of development then well better to agree to disagree. For a team rebuilding he's neither a vets with experience nor a young player. He's a reclamation project and unless you're MB you're probably not very interested. He's more than likely not signed simply because he's not a very interesting player. If KH sign Steel long term i'll lose respect for him and start to question his ability to focus on the important things to do.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I wouldn’t want Steel for his size and the inconsistent play. He’s still young but I doubt he flips a switch and becomes the player they thought he’d be at 18.

There’s a reason no one scooped him up after he wasn’t qualified. Small, inconsistent and getting older. May get a PTO or 2-way before camp. Otherwise, hard pass for me. Not what we need.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I wouldn’t want Steel for his size and the inconsistent play. He’s still young but I doubt he flips a switch and becomes the player they thought he’d be at 18.

There’s a reason no one scooped him up after he wasn’t qualified. Small, inconsistent and getting older. May get a PTO or 2-way before camp. Otherwise, hard pass for me. Not what we need.

I'd actually be more interested in Sonny Milano. His puck skills are so good, I always felt his career could be salvaged with proper coaching, Plus, I used to be real sweet on Alyssa Milano so I'd get a reminder every time the announcer say his name