GDT: Free agency madness, brought to you by the letter G

[Masked]

But putting a short statement out this week won't have any impact on his reputation or career. Maybe it will calm the conversation for a couple of days. What happens in the coming weeks is what will actually matter.

The players could be timing their statements dependent upon what they're doing in their personal lives. Maybe they're out of the country and waiting to get back. Maybe they're visiting grandma and don't want it on the local news while they're with her. Maybe they're waiting until just before they leave for an overseas trip. There's a undoubtedly a reason.

Some of the statements are about not being involved in any wrongdoing. Any player who participated but whose defence is that it was consensual would be able to put out a similar statement. So why wouldn't they just put out a statement? Who knows. But why wait to see what is revealed when there can be a witch hunt instead?

Assen na yo!

 

[DaveMatthew]

Maybe I should say "involved" rather than innocent. Not every player/lawyer has said they weren't involved. I'd say it's likely that anyone who hasn't come out with a statement saying they weren't involved at this point was likely in that room at some point or knew about it, whether they actually engaged in the act is a different story I suppose. If I had to guess, the main obstacle at this point is how to word a statement that doesn't outright make them look bad.

Right, nobody is denying that an encounter with this woman and multiple players occurred. But there's a subset of social media that has already come to a belief, with certainty, that anyone who was in the room is guilty of a serious crime. Even though that is yet to be proven.

So a player putting out a statement that denies wrongdoing, but doesn't remove them from the room, doesn't help them. That's probably why they haven't said anything. From a legal perspective, putting out a statement doesn't matter. And from a PR perspective, the statement they could put out won't help them.

I don't think Dillon Dube or Boris Katchouk's statements, for example, calmed the waters around them in any way. There were probably better off saying nothing.

Honestly, if they were in the room, taking some time and releasing a statement later on (after cooperating with all investigations) that's more conciliatory (i.e. While the events of that night were consensual, I understand the impact... here are the steps I'm taking to be a better person.... here's how I'll redeem myself in the eyes of the public, etc) is their best bet. It's a better route than an instant, aggressive "I did nothing wrong" statement from an agent. From a pure PR perspective, that is. (All moot if a crime is proven to have taken place).

 

[cudi]

just hoping for the best. I learned a long time ago to just let these situations play out. Speculating will drive you insane.

 

[coladin]

Except the account from the victim is that John Doe #1 orchestrated the other to join and let them into the room and subsequently made her shower any potential evidence off, record two video statements and then followed up the next day with a barrage of texts demanding that she not cooperate with a police investigation. Oof.

Oh right, thanks for the info as I forgot about that part. Thanks

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

just hoping for the best. I learned a long time ago to just let these situations play out. Speculating will drive you insane.

Getting the attention it's getting in what's now the dog days of summer is not really ideal it seems.

 

[Samboni]

With Mathew Tkachuk submitting a list of teams that he would extend with, maybe there is a chance that PD can insert himself into a three-way trade that helps a team shed a good d-man in order to make room for Mathew.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Getting the attention it's getting in what's now the dog days of summer is not really ideal it seems.

In mainstream media, the focus has been primarily on the actions of Hockey Canada and their settlement/lack of investigation. Sports media, outside of Rick Westhead, is staying away from it for the most part.

Trying to identify the players involved based on statements has been pretty much contained to a Hockey Twitter thing.

It hasn't registered at all in the US, yet. The cynic in me says the NHL will try to wrap up an investigation quickly instead of amplifying it. Unless the victim is willing to come forward and be a much bigger part of the story (i.e. what happened in the Trevor Bauer situation).

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

In mainstream media, the focus has been primarily on the actions of Hockey Canada and their settlement/lack of investigation. Sports media, outside of Rick Westhead, is staying away from it for the most part.

Trying to identify the players involved based on statements has been pretty much contained to a Hockey Twitter thing.

It hasn't registered at all in the US, yet. The cynic in me says the NHL will try to wrap up an investigation quickly instead of amplifying it. Unless the victim is willing to come forward and be a much bigger part of the story (i.e. what happened in the Trevor Bauer situation).

Ya its definitely a bigger deal in Canada, but that's not surprising. I am interested to see where it goes, as awful as it may be. It's definitely an unprecedented situation that has a lot of layers to it.

 

[DaveMatthew]

I'm not sure I agree with this view. I don't expect Sanderson to break into the league and be an offense-first player. I think he's going to spend the early part of his career focusing on his own end, just like he did as a rookie in the NCAA and what he did at the WJC's.

He's going to be the responsible partner on his pairing, and his skating + stickwork are going to make him great at it. Putting him with an offense-first player, who can handle more of that load, like Klingberg, would be beneficial.

I find Methot's thinking is usually "smooth skating talented guy has to play with big, stay at home defensive guy", but that's not really true. The best pairing in the NHL is Makar - Toews. Both smooth-skating, two-way, but very offensively inclined, defensemen.

Toews - Makar: two dynamic skaters that spend most of their time in the other end
Byram - E.Johnson: puck-mover with defensive specialist
Manson - J.Johnson: big pairing that takes up space

This would obviously still be a tier below, but a similar formula in terms of style:

Chabot - Zub: puck mover with defensive specialist
Sanderson - Klingberg - two dynamic skaters
Holden - Hamonic - big pairing that takes up space

 

[Korpse]

Oh the hell could anyone think they are in a position to speculate who John Doe 1 is? You literally have nothing to go off. Its a pure stab in the dark.

 

[HSF]

In mainstream media, the focus has been primarily on the actions of Hockey Canada and their settlement/lack of investigation. Sports media, outside of Rick Westhead, is staying away from it for the most part.

Trying to identify the players involved based on statements has been pretty much contained to a Hockey Twitter thing.

It hasn't registered at all in the US, yet. The cynic in me says the NHL will try to wrap up an investigation quickly instead of amplifying it. Unless the victim is willing to come forward and be a much bigger part of the story (i.e. what happened in the Trevor Bauer situation).

mainstream media can't speculate on the players as that opens them up to get sued. They need to get all this cleared by their lawyers. It was the same with Beech mainstream media didn't talk about it for a long time

 

[Silencio]

 

[Samboni]

I saw a list of teams yesterday but the Sens weren’t on it. Any reports that we are on his team that he would sign an extension with?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I saw a list of teams yesterday but the Sens weren’t on it. Any reports that we are on his team that he would sign an extension with?

I sure hope not if it's going to take the 11+ Calgary reportedly offered him.

 

[Hun]

I saw a list of teams yesterday but the Sens weren’t on it. Any reports that we are on his team that he would sign an extension with?

I hope not

 

[Ice-Tray]

This really could end being a situation where the young woman changed her consent in her head at some point, but carried on, which may also create a situation where the guys involved were not reasonably aware that the consent situation had changed.

Could both situations be present at the same time? If the parties involved can show that they reasonably expected consent to have been given or have stayed the same, we could have a situation where there are no parties guilty of a crime that also may have actually occurred.

This is definitely not a cut and dry situation. She has received compensation from an investigation by HC that didn’t involve even knowing who the players were, let alone letting them have a chance to defend themselves. Sounds super weird.

In the end I agree with others that while I doubt anyone will question whether the young lady changed her level of consent and felt violated, there may not be enough evidence to show that the guys involved reasonably knew that the situation had changed, and thus committed a crime.

What will social media do? What will the NHL and the various teams do? It’s not against any rules to partake in consensual group sex no matter how much some people may find it abhorrent.

As an aside, it is determined that some of the guys did in fact commit a crime, what is the level of involvement of the players who came and went and didn’t involve themselves in the activities, but we’re present during what has been deemed the commission of a crime…

I saw a list of teams yesterday but the Sens weren’t on it. Any reports that we are on his team that he would sign an extension with?

Someone came out and said that that list was wrong I believe.

 

[Silencio]

Would it be considered tampering if Dorion asked Brady to reach out to his brother to gauge his interest in playing for Ottawa?

 

[Bileur]

Would it be considered tampering if Dorion asked Brady to reach out to his brother to gauge his interest in playing for Ottawa?

Hard to tell without access to the bylaws, I think it would be tampering if Dorion asked him to do it, but if Brady did it of his own volition and reported what he heard to Dorion I don’t think that would count.

 

[Crosside]

Columbus have to clear money to sign Laine. What about Gravikov. He s left d but play sometimes right. He have play with Zub

 

[ChurchOfAlfie]

Would it be considered tampering if Dorion asked Brady to reach out to his brother to gauge his interest in playing for Ottawa?

If Matthew was under contract, 100% it would be tampering. Very difficult to prove, however, and every team tampers to some extent, so little incentive for anyone to raise a fuss.

Since he's an RFA though, it wouldn't be tampering since he's not under contract. Dorion can just reach out to him (well, his agent) directly. That's how offer sheets get signed, and it's the logic that Dubois' agent gave while straight up stating that PLD wants to play in Montreal.

 

[GCK]

If Matthew was under contract, 100% it would be tampering. Very difficult to prove, however, and every team tampers to some extent, so little incentive for anyone to raise a fuss.

Since he's an RFA though, it wouldn't be tampering since he's not under contract. Dorion can just reach out to him (well, his agent) directly. That's how offer sheets get signed, and it's the logic that Dubois' agent gave while straight up stating that PLD wants to play in Montreal.

He is going to arb so it would be tampering.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Oh the hell could anyone think they are in a position to speculate who John Doe 1 is? You literally have nothing to go off. Its a pure stab in the dark.

Paw Patrol HF division.

 

[Korpse]

Paw Patrol HF division.

I guess if you don’t understand the seriousness of the situation.

 

[ChurchOfAlfie]

He is going to arb so it would be tampering.

It's club elected arbitration with Tkachuk. Different than player elected.

Club Elected:

• A player who has been elected for salary arbitration in the first window is eligible to receive an Offer Sheet
• A player who has been elected for salary arbitration in the second window is eligible to receive an Offer Sheet; however, the player has until July 5th at 5:00pm EST to sign the Offer Sheet

 

[coladin]

On Sportsnet 960, Calgary Radio, they had a guy this morning who covers the flames, Derek Wills, who is close to the Flames, staying he thinks Ottawa are right. Whims St. Louis.

Ottawa has cap space. Great young players. Picks. Prospects. Brothers playing together. And he thinks Ottawa would fill the CTC with a unique set of brothers since the Sedins