Free Agency Episode 2 - The Attack Of The Plugs

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bonzaibondra12

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Maybe as a LW or a 3C but no way in hell as a 2C. Grabovski is faster, better at carrying the puck through the neutral zone, better at playmaking even though he's not really a playmaker, better at scoring. Defense is a coinflip, if Laich's is better it's because he plays it safer on D rather than pushing more on O. Plus Laich now has groin problems which aren't really the best of news for guys expected to play a physically involved style.

Coinflip? Laich is a much better two way center. The pk was good when Laich was healthy. This year it was horrible and got better when Laich came back for a bit. Remember Chimera-Laich-Ward line being a great shutdown line?

I swear everyone remembers a different Laich than what he is. He lead the team in a lot of stats in 11-12. He is better than anyone here will admit.

Yes, I would rather have him at 3C. But Grabovski will be a whipping boy once here.
 

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Coinflip? Laich is a much better two way center. The pk was good when Laich was healthy. This year it was horrible and got better when Laich came back for a bit. Remember Chimera-Laich-Ward line being a great shutdown line?

I swear everyone remembers a different Laich than what he is. He lead the team in a lot of stats in 11-12. He is better than anyone here will admit.

Yes, I would rather have him at 3C. But Grabovski will be a whipping boy once here.


Laich is an average 3rd line winger. He has made a nice career for himself (I think he was drafted pretty low). But he is not a top 6 forward on a team that can compete for the Cup.
 

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I am not sure if anyone here listens to M vs W but Marek and Wsyhnsyki were talking about why no free agents ever sign here. Its about the first 10 minutes of the show and is fairly interesting, but pretty much it boils down to Ovi running the show around here or the Caps not making any progress in the post season
 

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I would rather have Brooks Laich than Grabovski if they are close to the same cap hit.

I read this earlier: http://www.japersrink.com/2013/7/8/4502186/mikhail-grabovski-capitals-oh-please-oh-please

But Grabovski, unlike Ribeiro, improves the possession numbers of whoever he's skating with, almost to a tee. In 2011-2012, only one skater who played more than 100:00 with Grabovski saw his CF% decrease in those minutes. That skater? Our old friend Joey Crabb, who skated 157:06 with Grabovski. In 2010-2011, the story is the same- in fact, it's even more impressive. Every skater who spent more than 15:00 on the ice with Grabovski saw their possession numbers improve, and many of those by 10 percentage points or more.
 

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Coinflip? Laich is a much better two way center. The pk was good when Laich was healthy. This year it was horrible and got better when Laich came back for a bit. Remember Chimera-Laich-Ward line being a great shutdown line?

I swear everyone remembers a different Laich than what he is. He lead the team in a lot of stats in 11-12. He is better than anyone here will admit.

Yes, I would rather have him at 3C. But Grabovski will be a whipping boy once here.

Being better on the PK doesn't automatically mean being better defensively at even strength, and Laich doesn't offer much there. He's not quick, he's not smart positionally, he's not strong along the boards/on the puck, the only thing he has going for him is that he has borderline top 6 hockey skills and he's committed to playing safe and he tries. I'm not sure how good Grabovski is on the PK but aside from the Hunter stretch our PKs haven't been much to write home about, and Hunter heavily relied on guys like Beagle, Brouwer and Hendricks. A huge amount of being good on the PK is coaching + having a guy who can win faceoffs unless you really want a PK that consistently generates scoring chances, which is something else entirely. If we have a pair like Jeff Halpern and Mason Raymond and a coach that emphasized pressuring the hell out of the points we could have one of the best PKs in the league for a bargain basement price. Hell that was largely the case under Hunter.

Laich is a 10 ESG player who has benefitted from being slotted as the de facto top 6 grit guy on some of the best offensive regular season teams since the lockout simply because he was the best of limited options. He makes a good 4.5 million dollar 3C but guys like Kelly and pre eye injury Malhotra can be argued to be better at that role because they're much more specialized on things like faceoffs and ES defense/forechecking, which is really what championship teams want their 3rd lines to do. If your 3C isn't an ace on faceoff the line loses a ton of effectiveness since they're automatically playing against more skilled players who have the puck. And Chimera Laich Ward was a great line for all of 20 games before they stopped going with it. Cost a pretty penny too, compared to similarly effective 3rd lines for half the price.

Grabovski may become a whipping boy but we win more games with him at 2C than with Laich, simple as that.

Laich is not a bad player, but he's being paid borderline 1st line money and doesn't have a defined role on the team.
 
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A couple of years ago this presser would've infuriated me. Now all I can do is laugh. What a moron. This team is never winning anything under him. The scary thing is, it might ring just as true with Leonsis.
 

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I am not sure if anyone here listens to M vs W but Marek and Wsyhnsyki were talking about why no free agents ever sign here. Its about the first 10 minutes of the show and is fairly interesting, but pretty much it boils down to Ovi running the show around here or the Caps not making any progress in the post season

I think players go to the team most willing to sign them for a lot.

Being better on the PK doesn't automatically mean being better defensively at even strength. I'm not sure how good Grabovski is on the PK but aside from the Hunter stretch our PKs haven't been much to write home about, and Hunter heavily relied on guys like Beagle, Brouwer and Hendricks. A huge amount of being good on the PK is coaching + having a guy who can win faceoffs unless you really want a PK that consistently generates scoring chances, which is something else entirely. If we have a pair like Jeff Halpern and Mason Raymond and a coach that emphasized pressuring the hell out of the points we could have one of the best PKs in the league for a bargain basement price. Hell that was largely the case under Hunter.

Laich is a 10 ESG player who has benefitted from being slotted as the de facto top 6 grit guy on some of the best offensive regular season teams since the lockout simply because he was the best of limited options. He makes a good 4.5 million dollar 3C but guys like Kelly and pre eye injury Malhotra can be argued to be better at that role because they're much more specialized on things like faceoffs and ES defense/forechecking, which is really what championship teams want their 3rd lines to do. If your 3C isn't an ace on faceoff the line loses a ton of effectiveness since they're automatically playing against more skilled players who have the puck.

Grabovski may become a whipping boy but we win more games with him at 2C than with Laich, simple as that.

Laich is not a bad player, but he's being paid borderline 1st line money and doesn't have a defined role on the team.

Hunter PK sucked, Bruins and Rags PP sucked more.
 

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Laich is an average 3rd line winger. He has made a nice career for himself (I think he was drafted pretty low). But he is not a top 6 forward on a team that can compete for the Cup.

Yep in 11-12, he was 6th in points, 5th in goals, 1st in game winners, one of only two players with a short handed goal, 1st in takeaways, led all forwards in blocked shots, 5th in hits, all while 8th in TOI.

but yea... average compared to how good apparently every other mediocre teams leftovers are. Meanwhile he has been one of the best all around forwards on this team.

But you can remember him how you want. This team plays worse when he isn;t playing.
 

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Yep in 11-12, he was 6th in points, 5th in goals, 1st in game winners, one of only two players with a short handed goal, 1st in takeaways, led all forwards in blocked shots, 5th in hits, all while 8th in TOI.

but yea... average compared to how good apparently every other mediocre teams leftovers are. Meanwhile he has been one of the best all around forwards on this team.

But you can remember him how you want. This team plays worse when he isn;t playing.


He had 16 goals and was -8 in 2011-12.

I will remember him as I remember Ken Klee. A hard worker who did well to make the NHL. And a guy the Caps expected way too much from and didn't sniff any Cups with.
 

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So we are penciling in the 30 year old who is coming off of two groin injuries in one year as our 2C? Brilliant!!!
 

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A couple of years ago this presser would've infuriated me. Now all I can do is laugh. What a moron. This team is never winning anything under him. The scary thing is, it might ring just as true with Leonsis.


Yeah, George is getting worse actually. He used to be somewhat sharp even when the team failed to meet expectations. Now he just seems feeble. He seems to be several steps behind the other GMs.
 

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I am not sure if anyone here listens to M vs W but Marek and Wsyhnsyki were talking about why no free agents ever sign here. Its about the first 10 minutes of the show and is fairly interesting, but pretty much it boils down to Ovi running the show around here or the Caps not making any progress in the post season

I listened to this and it made no sense to me.
 

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Yeah, George is getting worse actually. He used to be somewhat sharp even when the team failed to meet expectations. Now he just seems feeble. He seems to be several steps behind the other GMs.

It feels like both Leonsis and GMGM got tired and don't care anymore. Just compare the current enthusiasm of the organization vs the Southeast champions rush/"we have arrived". Leonsis is bored because the shiny toy isn't so shiny and he's not a diehard hockey fan as much as a guy who wants to be respected by the community and have a parade. GMGM probably feels like that guy who's been trying to beat a Diablo level for 10 years and just can't get through it.

Not something you can really blame them for, it's basic human nature to get bored and tired after going nowhere year after year, just sucks that we have to live with it.
 

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Marchand lol.

I find it interesting that with all these claims of certain players partying out in public and people seeing them, no one has pictures...
 

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I am not sure if anyone here listens to M vs W but Marek and Wsyhnsyki were talking about why no free agents ever sign here. Its about the first 10 minutes of the show and is fairly interesting, but pretty much it boils down to Ovi running the show around here or the Caps not making any progress in the post season

They're full of ****. Free agents don't come here because GMGM and TL don't want to pay them.
 

Jacoby4HOF66

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Well having a high ranked prospect pool some consolidation?

11. Washington Capitals
Star prospect Evgeny Kuznetsov delivers a lot of value to Washington's system, and both Andre Burakovsky and Madison Bowey were nice additions at the 2013 draft. The development of Tom Wilson, Riley Barber, and Christan Djoos has been solid, as well. Despite a disappointing season for Stanislav Galiev, and just average depth, Washington's ranking remains strong behind very good top-end prospects in their system.

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1553

Probably not. ;)
 

Atlas

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It feels like both Leonsis and GMGM got tired and don't care anymore. Just compare the current enthusiasm of the organization vs the Southeast champions rush/"we have arrived". Leonsis is bored because the shiny toy isn't so shiny and he's not a diehard hockey fan as much as a guy who wants to be respected by the community and have a parade. GMGM probably feels like that guy who's been trying to beat a Diablo level for 10 years and just can't get through it.

Not something you can really blame them for, it's basic human nature to get bored and tired after going nowhere year after year, just sucks that we have to live with it.


:handclap: :laugh:

Yeah, I agree with you on all that. Ted isn't a hockey man. He became wealthy and got involved with something (ice hockey) that he had no knowledge of.

I'm going to pull for the Dallas Stars and Boston Bruins in the meantime. Those teams are trying.
 

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Didn't we try this experiment 2 years ago?

I hear ya. But I wonder how Laich's game will be if he's healthy and under Oates's system. The second line seems to be more a plus third line (or minus 2nd line) and with the third line being slightly better than average.

Still feels like more than the average things needs to really break for the capitals this next season (core players playing well and some secondary players stepping in terms of play/development out of the gate, no injuries).

Free agent crop this year has to be one of the worst in recent memory. I understand from a fan perspective when there are no 'shiny new toy' free agent signings that doom & gloom sets in for some. For me personally D&G sets in during the playoffs, heh.

I am more interested in seeing how the 2014 free agency crop is quality wise as well as looking like a jump back up in cap space with potentially an even larger one in 2015.
 

RandyHolt

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Laich, C, not really a surprise after how hard we were sold that after his contract was signed. Sucks for me I prefer Laich at W and MJ at C but imagine it will take care of itself given enough time. I wonder who George would compare MJ to.

With the Sarge drama played out and 2C done, the last item is 2LD. The Erskine love is there for years now and see Orlov in Hershey to start the year, he will not sit as a 7.

I see George's comments on Wilson as an ice breaker to send him back later on. Why ink Fehr to sit him next year. Latta is stuck behind Fehr/Beagle as well.

If he says Laich is our 2C I will go opposite and say he will not be our 2C 1Dec13
 
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