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i dont expect that many changes with the team. Unless Perron asks for a move I do not see us trading him (especially since he has a 15 team no trade clause) but i expect him to move down the depth chart. I do not see us throwing Yak into the lineup unless he flat out earns it over Matinpalo. If we give Giroux a regular contract then i expect we can add a forward in the 3 ish million range since there was a report earlier that Staios wants to keep 1-2 million in flexibility for the deadline/in season moves. Where we might get creative is if we give giroux a bonus based deal as that allows us to get a 5-6 million dollar forward. Just put something together quickly below. Can sub out mantha for mangiapane/hall/reilly smith/nyquist. If we go for the bonus contract on Giroux, then we can target someone in a trade since there really isnt a tier of a forward above the 5 players i listed but below the big names.

I expect our aggressive offseason to be going into the 26/27 season when we will have a lot more cap space to work with and will have more veterans as FA's (perron and jensen)

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Cousins is interchangeable with other pieces. I just put cousins there to kind of lock down a spot. It could just as easily be Greig on the wing and then we get a center like you are saying for line 4.

The one thing i will say is in Staios' first offseason he made moves to add a heavy veteran influence to the team. Amadio, Perron, Cousins, Jensen (was kind of in a bind here), keeping Hamonic and Ullmark. 5 of those players got added onto Giroux in terms of veteran influence.

I dont see the team walking away from the veterans easily. I also dont see the team not bringing back Giroux unless Giroux says he is going somewhere else. Thats my opinion anyways.
Oh, I agree regarding Giroux - I just don't feel that we should have both he and Perron on the same line next year. I expect the 3 to be LWers on lines 2 - 4, maybe Greig gets reps at center on L4 and moves up in the event of injury.
 
Seravalli insinuated Peterka is unhappy in Buffalo and would wait for an offer sheet, but a Buffalo beat reporter said that Buffalo would match any offer sheet.

It was probably just his agent trying to gain some leverage in negotiations honestly. I think he will be re-signed when it’s all said and done.

The thing about matching an offer sheet for an unhappy player is a lose-lose situation for both the team that holds the player and the team offering. It's always more efficient just to bite the bullet and make a trade that works better for both sides.

If that is an accurate depiction of the situation, he will probably get traded before July 1st, for a more useful package than OS compensation.

Based on the current compensation, a team could go 5 years 9.16M and only owed a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. It should be a bit higher next year, maybe close to 10M. Buffalo matches that and overpays Peterka, the team doesn't get the player and pays a huge opportunity cost by tying up 9M+ of cap for a week during free agency. Or if Buffalo doesn't match, the team probably could have gotten Peterka signed to 8 years at less than that cap with a sign-and-trade. Even if it costs them a bit more in assets, they get more value overall from a trade l.

If that's an inevitable thing that will happen, it doesn't help either team. It makes more sense to accept the outcome and work on a trade.

Buffalo needs to win now, so draft picks or overpaying Peterka doesn't help them. It would make more sense to find a hockey trade that they think makes them better now like they did with Cozens for Norris.
 
The thing about matching an offer sheet for an unhappy player is a lose-lose situation for both the team that holds the player and the team offering. It's always more efficient just to bite the bullet and make a trade that works better for both sides.

If that is an accurate depiction of the situation, he will probably get traded before July 1st, for a more useful package than OS compensation.

Based on the current compensation, a team could go 5 years 9.16M and only owed a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. It should be a bit higher next year, maybe close to 10M. Buffalo matches that and overpays Peterka, the team doesn't get the player and pays a huge opportunity cost by tying up 9M+ of cap for a week during free agency. Or if Buffalo doesn't match, the team probably could have gotten Peterka signed to 8 years at less than that cap with a sign-and-trade. Even if it costs them a bit more in assets, they get more value overall from a trade l.

If that's an inevitable thing that will happen, it doesn't help either team. It makes more sense to accept the outcome and work on a trade.

Buffalo needs to win now, so draft picks or overpaying Peterka doesn't help them. It would make more sense to find a hockey trade that they think makes them better now like they did with Cozens for Norris.
I was moreso just assuming the situation isn’t actually that bad. Peterka’s been losing for like 3 years, and his first year there they almost made the playoffs. Surely it’s not that bad. But I could be wrong. Just seems like his agent could use the noise around Buffalo to try and maximize his earnings by threatening to sign an offer sheet, saying he wants out etc. Pinto’s agent sorta did the same thing last year.

Obviously if things are actually that bad, that’s a different story.
 
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it does, it factored in korpisolo and white

it is deceptive that it didnt show on the screen
 
I was moreso just assuming the situation isn’t actually that bad. Peterka’s been losing for like 3 years, and his first year there they almost made the playoffs. Surely it’s not that bad. But I could be wrong. Just seems like his agent could use the noise around Buffalo to try and maximize his earnings by threatening to sign an offer sheet, saying he wants out etc. Pinto’s agent sorta did the same thing last year.

Obviously if things are actually that bad, that’s a different story.

I'm just saying that even if Buffalo postures about matching, and even if they CAN match, it doesn't mean that they wouldn't consider trading him because it's the most efficient thing they can do in that situation.

A trade is always going to be better for all sides than an offer-sheet, but Buffalo isn't going to outright say that.
 
I think Cousins probably moves on but maybe not now that our bottom 6 forward depth is somewhat depleted with Ostapchuk gone. I agree that Giroux has a spot on the team if he wants it. Hamonic is done.

I think Staios would be open to getting rid of Perron but may be hesitant to do so for a couple of reasons:

1) He's playing a lot better lately.
2) Perron has been through a lot personally this year and I think Staios will respect that try to do right by a veteran player who signed here as a UFA.

My lineup for next year:

Tkachuk - Stü - Batherson
Zetts/Greig - Cozens - Giroux
Zetts/Greig - Pinto - Amadio
Reinhardt - UFA - MacEwen/Jenik/ UFA

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Jensen
Kleven - Matinpalo
Yak (first callup on RD)
Gilbert (first callup on LD)

I think we need to start building up Belleville again. I could see Montgomery joining them next year. We don't have that much more coming next from our own drafts. It will be a challenge, IMO.
The bolded is why i expect perron to be on the team next year. Unless perron goes in and demands a trade or say says he needs to be in st.louis as an example for family reasons. He has a 15 team ntc and i doubt the team surprises him with a move especially since the team is quite frankly looking to build its reputation back up among the players.

Your lineup is about the same as mine. Reinhardt probably gets less then the cousins deal. If Mac/Jenik are the 12th forward and we dont have perron on the team then that probably means the team has 7-8 million for that UFA spot.

I do agree that Yak needs to be in the minors and he can be the first call up.
 
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If Peterka wants out, we gotta go full throttle to get him.

What will it take? Gotta think Greig/Zetterlund part of the package.

It needs to be Pinto or Chabot for money reasons. Chabot doesn't make sense unless it's a bigger trade like Chabot+Pinto for Peterka+Samuelsson.

Pinto is still cost controlled next year, but will cost us 6M-8M on a long-term extension. Peterka is getting 7M-9M on a 5-8 year extension depending on the term and the status (tax+contender) of the team he signs with.

I understand why people want Peterka, but it doesn't seem realistic at all given the contract status of Peterka, Buffalo being a divisional rival, and the kind of pieces we'd actually have to give up. Cozens was a less complicated move because he was already signed with term, as was Norris.
 
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It's actually kinda crazy how many good pieces we already have in our lineup for next year:

Tkachuk - Stutzle - ??? <- Giroux is a UFA
Perron - Cozens - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Amadio
Zetterlund - ??? - ??? <- MacEwen is still signed and could fit here

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Jensen
Kleven - Matinpalo
Yak

Ullmark
Merilainen

I don't see Perron going anywhere. The shopping list for Staios will involve making a decision on Giroux (re-sign and/or replace with better top line forward), and providing some depth for the bottom 6 and for our D.
 
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I will never understand guys that want to trade Zub.

Yeah, let's get rid of the guy that is top 15 in the league in relative goal%. That sounds smart.
I wouldn’t mind getting someone more durable for the role. If such a swap can even be made. Would likely be difficult to pull off. Love the player wouldn’t move him for the sake of it.
 
The thing about matching an offer sheet for an unhappy player is a lose-lose situation for both the team that holds the player and the team offering. It's always more efficient just to bite the bullet and make a trade that works better for both sides.

If that is an accurate depiction of the situation, he will probably get traded before July 1st, for a more useful package than OS compensation.

Based on the current compensation, a team could go 5 years 9.16M and only owed a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. It should be a bit higher next year, maybe close to 10M. Buffalo matches that and overpays Peterka, the team doesn't get the player and pays a huge opportunity cost by tying up 9M+ of cap for a week during free agency. Or if Buffalo doesn't match, the team probably could have gotten Peterka signed to 8 years at less than that cap with a sign-and-trade. Even if it costs them a bit more in assets, they get more value overall from a trade l.

If that's an inevitable thing that will happen, it doesn't help either team. It makes more sense to accept the outcome and work on a trade.

Buffalo needs to win now, so draft picks or overpaying Peterka doesn't help them. It would make more sense to find a hockey trade that they think makes them better now like they did with Cozens for Norris.
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Its possible, but I’m not sure about that. Buffalo has a few RFAs to sign, but I think Peterka might be at the top of the list. But, for those that like to make trade proposals, I suppose it's more interesting to think he’ll be moved.
 
It's actually kinda crazy how many good pieces we already have in our lineup for next year:

Tkachuk - Stutzle - ??? <- Giroux is a UFA
Perron - Cozens - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Amadio
Zetterlund - ??? - ??? <- MacEwen is still signed and could fit here

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Jensen
Kleven - Matinpalo
Yak

Ullmark
Merilainen

I don't see Perron going anywhere. The shopping list for Staios will involve making a decision on Giroux (re-sign and/or replace with better top line forward), and providing some depth for the bottom 6 and for our D.

Assuming we make the playoffs, and do pretty well but don't go on a deep run or anything, my guess is that Chabot is the next one moved. It will be for a steady but less exciting top 4 LHD with a lower cap hit. We will use some of the open cap to bring in a veteran #5 who is more appropriate for Hamonic's current role.

We will keep Giroux and Perron, but Giroux might move down the lineup with Zetterlund moving up.

I don't know if we promote from within from the depth spots, or try to find some more 4th line Nick Cousins type signings, aka veterans who can fill those 10 minute a night type spots.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Forsberg stay if he is willing to take a pay cut. Merilainen has surpassed him, but we need goalie depth with Ullmark's injury history. Also, you don't want to hand the job to Merilainen. He is still a young goalie, and they need to be managed and pushed.
 
Assuming we make the playoffs, and do pretty well but don't go on a deep run or anything, my guess is that Chabot is the next one moved. It will be for a steady but less exciting top 4 LHD with a lower cap hit. We will use some of the open cap to bring in a veteran #5 who is more appropriate for Hamonic's current role.

We will keep Giroux and Perron, but Giroux might move down the lineup with Zetterlund moving up.

I don't know if we promote from within from the depth spots, or try to find some more 4th line Nick Cousins type signings, aka veterans who can fill those 10 minute a night type spots.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Forsberg stay if he is willing to take a pay cut. Merilainen has surpassed him, but we need goalie depth with Ullmark's injury history. Also, you don't want to hand the job to Merilainen. He is still a young goalie, and they need to be managed and pushed.
Re: the bolded, let me guess: either Ceci or Soucy?

I liked the idea of the Norris for Cozens deal, in that he replaced one player with another one at the same spot, but cheaper and younger. If Staios can pull off a similar deal for Chabot, sure, why not? But right now the main hole IMO is where Giroux is right now.
 
Assuming we make the playoffs, and do pretty well but don't go on a deep run or anything, my guess is that Chabot is the next one moved. It will be for a steady but less exciting top 4 LHD with a lower cap hit. We will use some of the open cap to bring in a veteran #5 who is more appropriate for Hamonic's current role.

We will keep Giroux and Perron, but Giroux might move down the lineup with Zetterlund moving up.

I don't know if we promote from within from the depth spots, or try to find some more 4th line Nick Cousins type signings, aka veterans who can fill those 10 minute a night type spots.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Forsberg stay if he is willing to take a pay cut. Merilainen has surpassed him, but we need goalie depth with Ullmark's injury history. Also, you don't want to hand the job to Merilainen. He is still a young goalie, and they need to be managed and pushed.
I was thinking about this the other day but I feel like if you are going to downgrade Chabot, it should be for a RD, otherwise I think it’s too damaging short-term to justify it.

Mind you I went over teams that have a RD to spare that are in need of a LD like Chabot and I recognize this would be a challenge.
 
Jensen is all hockey sense and speed, Yak is raw skill and size. Not seeing the comparison here.

And I don’t think Sanderson - Yakemchuk will ever make much sense as a pairing honestly. In a perfect world where Yak develops well you want him to have the puck, so he will drive his own pairing. And you give Sanderson a reliable D partner that can handle tough matchups because he’s the one that will be taking them.
Hockey players aren't that simple. Jensen is not "all hockey sense and speed", nor is Yak "all skill and size".

Yakemchuk plays like a better Jensen. Their positioning, and the way the move the puck up the ice, as well as their general motor, is quite similar IMO. Yakemchuk just has that cannon of a shot as well as much better hands. I'm sure you've seen Jensen make a ton of great offensive zone pinches and reads, but then he just can't elevate the puck or do the last bit of a dangle.

A Sanderson-Yakemchuk duo is an "All-World" pairing; two #1Ds that do it all. So that's what my comment is alluding to, ie "stacking the deck". We'll see in the future if it works better to have them both on the ice at the same time or on different pairings. I think it will depend on our other options.
 
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Jensen/Yakemchuk may be the strangest comparison I’ve seen, they are literally polar opposites at almost every facet of the game

It would take some extremely positive development for him to be a guy put out against other teams top lines, he isn’t even being put out to defend a 1 goal lead in the final minute in Calgary since they grabbed Mynio, Hurtig-Mynio are the guys over the boards.

He’s going to have to be eased in, and he’s going to have to be sheltered for a while.
 
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Hockey players aren't that simple. Jensen is not "all hockey sense and speed", nor is Yak "all skill and size".

Yakemchuk plays like a better Jensen. Their positioning, and the way the move the puck up the ice, as well as their general motor, is quite similar IMO. Yakemchuk just has that cannon of a shot as well as much better hands. I'm sure you've seen Jensen make a ton of great offensive zone pinches and reads, but then he just can't elevate the puck or do the last bit of a dangle.

A Sanderson-Yakemchuk duo is an "All-World" pairing; two #1Ds that do it all. So that's what my comment is alluding to, ie "stacking the deck". We'll see in the future if it works better to have them both on the ice at the same time or on different pairings. I think it will depend on our other options.
I’m sorry but I cannot see the similarities for the life of me.

Obviously I was simplifying their games for the sake of making a point, which isn’t to say I don’t think they have any other qualities, but I think they both excel and struggle in completely different aspects of the game.

In fact if Yak processed the game and skated like Jensen, I’d be ready to anoint him as elite based on his other skills.
 
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