Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[BondraTime]

Why would you help Jersey and at the same time make your team worse. Nelson will be cheap acquisition anyways.I don't Norris contrat as a problem a lot of worse player are making same monry or close in the league. As of now he is playing north of 60 games . If get's injured again you LTIR him and you get some cap space back anyways. Production of Norris now is getting up each game. Do you prefer to get two Perron for the same price?

Nelson is going to be one of, if not the most, expensive rental this deadline

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Trying to prepare a fake rumour for my Hockeybuzz blog.

Does the Devils "re-engaging" the Senators about Norris now that Hughes is out for the season seem logical? I figure maybe I could lie and say that Palat for Norris was discussed in the offseason, but the trade protection was a hurdle, and with the high prices at the TDL, the rising cap, and Hughes out - the Devils might be willing to move different pieces.

I have to throw in a non-sensical name that makes no sense like Curtis Lazar. It is in the handbook because it makes your rumours seem more real if you report something that isn't reported elsewhere "Travis Green loves Curtis Lazar, but there are questions about whether Lazar would be happy about returning to the city that gave up on him." - "The Devil's not so secretly hope to get in on the Brady Tkachuk sweepstakes, and adding Norris could make them a preferred destination for Tkachuk."

I'm thinking Siegenthaler, Lazar, and a protected 1st for Norris (with retention), JBD, and a 3rd - then the Senators plan to turn around and use that 1st on a big fish rental to really put them over the top, like Ryan Donato.

Maybe for the Devils but not for us.

Our strength at C is one of the few, if not the only, undeniably good things Dorion did and one of our few real assets.

Trading away one of Norris or Pinto doesn't make much sense. We need get better, not worse!

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Maybe for the Devils but not for us.

Our strength at C is one of the few, if not the only, undeniably good things Dorion did and one of our few real assets.

Trading away one of Norris or Pinto doesn't make much sense. We need get better, not worse!

That's why Lazar is coming back. He's the next Mike Fisher.

 

[Icelevel]

That's why Lazar is coming back. He's the next Mike Fisher.

How’d you know I was just looking at him. Still pissed we didn’t pick mantha even if he’s had his ups and downs.
Another obvious mistake at the time.

 

[Cosmix]

I hope we upgrade on our top 6 from what we have now. I would pay our first round pick in 2025 to do so. Could be done this trade deadline or during the summer; now would be better. More offence is what we need; add speed, skill, puck possession and shooting skill.

 

[HSF]

I hope we upgrade on our top 6 from what we have now. I would pay our first round pick in 2025 to do so. Could be done this trade deadline or during the summer; now would be better. More offence is what we need; add speed, skill, puck possession and shooting skill.

Couldn't agree more

send the pick

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Why would you help Jersey and at the same time make your team worse. Nelson will be cheap acquisition anyways.I don't Norris contrat as a problem a lot of worse player are making same monry or close in the league. As of now he is playing north of 60 games . If get's injured again you LTIR him and you get some cap space back anyways. Production of Norris now is getting up each game. Do you prefer to get two Perron for the same price?

They clearly want to get out of the Norris contract. When I post a trade idea, it's not always "Wouldn't this be so awesome to go out and get Carson Soucy because he is one of my fav 5!" that everybody would obviously agree with, it's more speculation based on rumours (some less than reliable, some more).

It is obvious they want to get out from the Norris deal. New Jersey just lost their 1C and is in the middle of a playoff run. The Senators have been tied to Nelson but don't have the assets that he will cost. So it's basically, flip Norris with retention for those assets, flip those assets for Nelson.

Most people in this thread think that the Senators should do the following:

• Maximize their future assets.
• Don't acquire rentals because they are asset poor. Even if it lowers their chances of making the playoffs this year.
• Keep Norris, because he is still a good player, and they don't think the team should be concerned about the liability of his money and term.

I am not saying those opinions are wrong, but they don't seem to be in line with the reality the team is operating in. They badly need to make the playoffs to satisfy multiple stakeholders (Season-seat members, ownership group who needs playoff profits, Tkachuk family who are in tight with the hockey illuminati, etc). If they stand pat at the deadline, and miss the playoffs by a point, what is Papa Tkachuk going to decide Brady should do? They also have been heavily rumoured by multiple different sources to want to cut bait on the Norris contract.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

How’d you know I was just looking at him. Still pissed we didn’t pick mantha even if he’s had his ups and downs.
Another obvious mistake at the time.

Another amazing moment brought to you by complete disaster Tim Murray!

 

[Burrowsaurus]

That's why Lazar is coming back. He's the next Mike Fisher.

I want lazar back. He’s an FA this offseason

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Sportsnet has Charlie Coyle on their trade board. I wasn't aware that he was available. He could be an interesting target. They could possibly even go after him and Brazeau in a package deal.

Sportsnet also has Alex Tuch, Lawson Crouse and Brayden Schenn on their trade board, all could be interesting options if the Sens could make the cap work.

Then there are still forwards like Anders Lee, Ryan O'Reilly and Nick Foligno who aren't listed on Sportsnet trade board but could still be conceivably available.

With some reports suggesting that the Sens were in on Yanni Gourde, maybe they will target a player with a bigger cap hit and find a way to make it work.

 

[DackellDuck]

They clearly want to get out of the Norris contract. When I post a trade idea, it's not always "Wouldn't this be so awesome to go out and get Carson Soucy because he is one of my fav 5!" that everybody would obviously agree with, it's more speculation based on rumours (some less than reliable, some more).

It is obvious they want to get out from the Norris deal. New Jersey just lost their 1C and is in the middle of a playoff run. The Senators have been tied to Nelson but don't have the assets that he will cost. So it's basically, flip Norris with retention for those assets, flip those assets for Nelson.

Most people in this thread think that the Senators should do the following:

• Maximize their future assets.
• Don't acquire rentals because they are asset poor. Even if it lowers their chances of making the playoffs this year.
• Keep Norris, because he is still a good player, and they don't think the team should be concerned about the liability of his money and term.

I am not saying those opinions are wrong, but they don't seem to be in line with the reality the team is operating in. They badly need to make the playoffs to satisfy multiple stakeholders (Season-seat members, ownership group who needs playoff profits, Tkachuk family who are in tight with the hockey illuminati, etc). If they stand pat at the deadline, and miss the playoffs by a point, what is Papa Tkachuk going to decide Brady should do? They also have been heavily rumoured by multiple different sources to want to cut bait on the Norris contract.

Why is it so clear?

The only person talking about it is Garrioch, and I don't think he has all that many ins with the organization now. You can tell how salty he is about that by his tweets, like last night when he wrote, "#Sens heading to OT against the NHL's second-worst team". He was Melnyk and Dorion's buddy, but I don't think Staios or Andlauer are fraternizing with him.

We haven't heard a peep about Norris from Friedman, Dreger, Johnston, etc, and as far as I can tell he's not on any trade boards.

If they were shopping him that hard, I think there'd be more noise than just Brucey Boo yelling about it from Barrhaven. Multiple insiders have been talking about Dylan Cozens, for example, who's in the same spot as Norris (big contract based off one good season that he's now underperfoming).

 

[BondraTime]

And Dumoulin goes for a 2nd plus 3rd, so there goes that thought of getting him for a mid round pick as a leftover

 

[BondraTime]

Why is it so clear?

The only person talking about it is Garrioch, and I don't think he has all that many ins with the organization now. You can tell how salty he is about that by his tweets, like last night when he wrote, "#Sens heading to OT against the NHL's second-worst team". He was Melnyk and Dorion's buddy, but I don't think Staios or Andlauer are fraternizing with him.

We haven't heard a peep about Norris from Friedman, Dreger, Johnston, etc, and as far as I can tell he's not on any trade boards.

If they were shopping him that hard, I think there'd be more noise than just Brucey Boo yelling about it from Barrhaven.

"Would Josh Norris count as a big move?" Seravalli asked. "That's the guy that they want to move. That's the guy that they've been in conversation with teams to move.

It's been reported for a year or so by pretty much all insiders that they were looking to move him

Friedman during talks about Vancouver mentioned the Nucks may be looking his way and Sens may be looking to move on

 

[DackellDuck]

"Would Josh Norris count as a big move?" Seravalli asked. "That's the guy that they want to move. That's the guy that they've been in conversation with teams to move.

Okay Seravalli, but he's towards Garrioch on the scale of credibility. Some of the stuff on Daily Faceoff is pure nonsense.

Of course I believe that the Senators have talked about him with other teams (I imagine they've talked about everyone except for Tkachuk, Stu and Sanderson), and process of elimination leads anyone to think that if someone substantial is moved, there really are only three candidates: Norris, Batherson and Chabot.

But I don't think they're looking to dump him just to get his contract off the books. Certainly not right now when they're in the thick of the playoff race.

At the end of the day, I think it comes down to the last 21 games. If they miss the playoffs, one of those three guys I mentioned, if not two, are probably out the door. If they make it, I expect we'll roll it back.

Once Freidman and Dreger start talking about it, I'll pay more attention.

 

[aragorn]

Sportsnet has Charlie Coyle on their trade board. I wasn't aware that he was available. He could be an interesting target. They could possibly even go after him and Brazeau in a package deal.

Sportsnet also has Alex Tuch, Lawson Crouse and Brayden Schenn on their trade board, all could be interesting options if the Sens could make the cap work.

Then there are still forwards like Anders Lee, Ryan O'Reilly and Nick Foligno who aren't listed on Sportsnet trade board but could still be conceivably available.

With some reports suggesting that the Sens were in on Yanni Gourde, maybe they will target a player with a bigger cap hit and find a way to make it work.

Alex Tuch RW would be a good add for Ottawa pushing Amadio down a line & he has another yr left on a very reasonable contract. He doesn't seem to be all that expensive although trading within the division I expect Buff would want an overpayment. I also like Crouse who would probably push Perron to Amadio's spot. Either would be great & Crouse brings that extra toughness & heavyweight they need.

 

[BondraTime]

Okay Seravalli, but again, he's towards Garrioch on the scale of credibility. Some of the stuff on Daily Faceoff is pure nonsense.

Of course I believe that the Senators have talked about him with other teams (I imagine they've talked about everyone except for Tkachuk, Stu and Sanderson), and process of elimination leads anyone to think that if someone substantial is moved, there really are only 3 candidates: Norris, Batherson and Chabot.

But I don't think they're looking to dump him just to get his contract off the books. Certainly not right now when they're in the thick of the playoff race.

At the end of the day, I think it comes down to the last 21 games.

If they miss the playoffs, one of those 3 guys, if not 2, are out the door. If they make it, I'd expect we roll it back.

Seravelli is the president of the PHWA, was an insider with sportsnet for a decade with Sportsnet and TSN, and leaked the entire Seattle expansion draft an hour before the event to ESPN's chagrin. He clearly has very good inside sources.

Friedman hinted at oit as well when talking about the Canucks looking for forwards, saying that he was roomates with Hughes and Ottawa could be looking to move on from him

 

[DackellDuck]

Friedman as well

"Ottawa could look to move on from Norris as he's been plagued with injuries for some time, including a mid-body injury that currently has him listed as week-to-week."

This was Feburay 4th

Seems much more like speculation, along the lines of what I posted. "If they end up moving someone from the core, Norris could be the guy." That's just logical thinking. You could say that about Norris, Batherson and Chabot, and I believe people have.

Not the same as "they're actively looking to get out of his contract ASAP".

In his trade deadline preview for the Sens on 32 Thoughts, Norris wasn't mentioned. And I don't for a second think they're going to deal him for something like Soucy and Hoglander by tomorrow at 3pm.

Would Staios have called Vancouver and suggested Norris for JT Miller? Probably. He would have been dumb not to. But they would've quickly learned that Miller had no interest in coming here.

 

[bicboi64]

Not that I think our management will ask Hamonic to waive his NMC, but I wonder what he could fetch at half retained given the price of rentals this draft

 

[DackellDuck]

Seravelli is the president of the PHWA, was an insider with sportsnet for a decade with Sportsnet and TSN, and leaked the entire Seattle expansion draft an hour before the event to ESPN's chagrin. He clearly has very good inside sources.

This is what he said about the Senators:

"So I do expect the Sens to be aggressive? I think they’ve been one of those teams that’s pretty, been pretty active to this point in the season, sort of under the radar in terms of making calls. I think you stack wins together, then you maybe add something else as you get closer to that deadline. They’re open to considering lots of different things. And I think the Sens are going to be a team to watch as we get closer to March 7th."

Which like I said is different from they're dead set on trading Norris to get out of his deal, as some are suggesting.

Basically, depending on how the team plays, they can go in different directions. They're not married to some of these core players, and if they can't put it together this season, they'll look to move on from a couple of those guys. If they do put it together, maybe not.

That's just logical thinking.

 

[Micklebot]

Not that I think our management will ask Hamonic to waive his NMC, but I wonder what he could fetch at half retained given the price of rentals this draft

I think someone (Garrioch?) mentioned they were exploring moving him assuming he might waive. He likely won't so it's a moot point but it seems like there's a chance they asked him.

 

[DackellDuck]

Not that I think our management will ask Hamonic to waive his NMC, but I wonder what he could fetch at half retained given the price of rentals this draft

The only possibility would be if Winnipeg wants to pick him up to be a black ace. He's from there, they're a great team, so he'd probably waive.

 

[BondraTime]

This is what he said about the Senators:

"So I do expect the Sens to be aggressive? I think they’ve been one of those teams that’s pretty, been pretty active to this point in the season, sort of under the radar in terms of making calls. I think you stack wins together, then you maybe add something else as you get closer to that deadline. They’re open to considering lots of different things. And I think the Sens are going to be a team to watch as we get closer to March 7th."

Which like I said is different from they're dead set on trading Norris to get out of his deal, as some are suggesting.

Basically, depending on how the team plays, they can go in different directions. They're not married to some of these core players, and if they can't put it together this season, they'll look to move on from a couple of those guys. If they do put it together, maybe not.

That's just logical thinking.

He literally stated 3 days ago they were looking to trade Norris, straight from his mouth.

Word for word. “That’s the guy they want to move”.

Of course that isn’t their only goal this deadline, they are open to an almost open ended deadline. That doesn’t change that Norris is a guy they’d like to move if the situation arose.

 

[DackellDuck]

He literally stated 3 days ago they were looking to trade Norris, straight from his mouth.

Word for word. “That’s the guy they want to move”.

We'll see. I'll be shocked if he's traded tomorrow. Even more shocked if he's dumped for summer cap space.

 

[BondraTime]

We'll see. I'll be shocked if he's traded tomorrow. Even more shocked if he's "dumped for cap space".

So would I, it’s an almost unmovable contract especially in season woth where the Sens are, but that doesn’t have much to do with what is being said by insiders

 

[DackellDuck]

So would I, it’s an almost unmovable contract, but that doesn’t have much to do with what is being said by insiders

I'd disagree. The same insiders talk about Dylan Cozens and throw out good, potential assets that he might return.

What makes Norris all that different?

People will say "well he's injury prone" and I'd counter that he's had one major injury that was extended because he was rushed back under our previous incompetent management and ownership group.

There should be no rush to trade him unless you get a good package, that improves the team now, back. You have one more year before you need to worry about extending Pinto and additional cap space in the summer does nothing for us since no good UFA is signing here. And if you think we can trade for a better player that has a high cap hit in a separate deal, I'd ask, with what assets?