Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[The Devilish Buffoon]

right now everyone is being rumored to be returning a 2nd plus

that being said rangers are on a heater with him out of the lineup. I think he ends up returning a 3rd and a prospect. He might get a 2nd if a team needs the 50% retention.

I could be completely wrong but thats my guess here

Smith will easily return at least a 2nd imo... if not we should absolutely be in on him.

 

[aragorn]

Thats my personal guess

i just dont see teams throwing around that many firsts or second like candy. One first has been moved in this upcoming draft (dont think he is returning a first). If wikipedia is accurate then 17 2nd round picks have already been moved in the upcoming draft and 8 2nd round picks have been moved for 2026. There really arent that many 2nd round picks left to be moved once you factor in the rebuilding teams/bad teams that wont be trading their picks.

My guess is the value drops with Smith. I could be completely wrong and it ends up being a different player. But i fully expect someone that is in the 30-40 point range getting dealt for a 3rd + something. I just think its going to be smith because the rangers are in chaos mode, are winning and i doubt they want the locker room issue of sitting a guy out after the deadline when it seemed like you were moving him

It could also be that they think they already have that 30-40 pt player in Perron if he can stay healthy & start putting the puck in the net consistently if that second line can start clicking. He has done it for yrs & has the SC experience.

 

[SpezDispenser]

No doubt that we need some more offense.

Agreed that Dorion left us in such a disaster position that we have nothing to offer in a trade, all of our valuable assets are in the NHL and we need them. Dorion's team was so bad, Staios had to get to the cap just to make this team "ok".

Nothing will happen this trade deadline unless we like trade Norris or Batherson or something. Maybe we find someone who wants JBD and we get like a 5th rounder back.

It's an unfortunate situation. We can't afford to trade picks and we have nothing, as you say, other than players we don't want to move to make things happen. Norris? Sure, but what's his value? Batherson, I would advise against that right now as we need more scoring, not less.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

It could also be that they think they already have that 30-40 pt player in Perron if he can stay healthy & start putting the puck in the net consistently if that second line can start clicking. He has done it for yrs & has the SC experience.

Well they'd be wrong. Perron's production last year came when he was playing with the top line and had PP time,

 

[Cosmix]

Agreed, but considering their lack of assets & cap space who can they afford to trade for? The guys we want to move don't seem to have all that much value & I don't want to give up on Norris or any of their other good young players. And I doubt they move Amadio, Perron or Forsberg at this time, it's likely they want to add not subtract. Should be interesting how this plays out.

They cannot add much without subtracting as I think they only have about $1M available to spend.

I agree that we should not give up good players such as Tkachuk, Stutzle, Norris, Batherson and Pinto. We need to add a true skilled young top 6 player; we have enough old vet bottom six players.

It's an unfortunate situation. We can't afford to trade picks and we have nothing, as you say, other than players we don't want to move to make things happen. Norris? Sure, but what's his value? Batherson, I would advise against that right now as we need more scoring, not less.

I am normally against trading top draft p[icks; however, if we can obtain a true skilled and young top 6 player I would trade a 1st round draft pick. I think we have a 3 or 4 year window and need to start competing now.

 

[Blotto71]

They cannot add much without subtracting as I think they only have about $1M available to spend.

I agree that we should not give up good players such as Tkachuk, Stutzle, Norris, Batherson and Pinto. We need to add a true skilled young top 6 player; we have enough old vet bottom six players.


I am normally against trading top draft p[icks; however, if we can obtain a true skilled and young top 6 player I would trade a 1st round draft pick. I think we have a 3 or 4 year window and need to start competing now.

You nailed it. Almost need to target someone outside the top 6 on another team, but who has top 6 potential (McBain?) and try to make a deal involving someone like Crookshank and picks outside round 1.

 

[SpezDispenser]

They cannot add much without subtracting as I think they only have about $1M available to spend.

I agree that we should not give up good players such as Tkachuk, Stutzle, Norris, Batherson and Pinto. We need to add a true skilled young top 6 player; we have enough old vet bottom six players.


I am normally against trading top draft p[icks; however, if we can obtain a true skilled and young top 6 player I would trade a 1st round draft pick. I think we have a 3 or 4 year window and need to start competing now.

No pipeline at all though, I guess it depends on the player up for sale.

 

[Big Muddy]

View attachment 987051Assuming this is how our roster looks (With 2 spares making minimum salary), JJ can be signed for anything 7M or less. If we buyout Perron, that'll be even higher. Also let's be honest, we'd need to include one of Pinto or Greig for him anyways, so we can absolutely sign him to a long term contract.

Is White buyout & Korpisalo retained salary in there? Maybe it is, but you just can’t see it?

So a 3rd & JBD, Reinhardt or say Sogaard might do it? I'd take that, although we have too many forwards that are just okay & should move one too.

Don’t think the bolded players have much value as most teams have those kind of prospects in their systems.

 

[Puikiou]

No my stance back then was there’s no way any other d man in the org isn’t better than Josh brown.

Dean brown has said Norris has taken some shifts on the wing in practice.

He also got a period I beleive like 2 months ago on the wing.

You’re working under the assumption that they haven’t tried it in practice.

Also I don’t think Grieg can play full time center

I don’t see why we would move a good center into a maybe not so good winger and then have a much lesser center play third line center.

By that logic, if a few lines rushes at practice held any answer, you'd think Zub would have played over Brown/Coburn/Gudbranson/etc. after a single practice instead of being scratched for 2+ months, no?

What harm could it possibly cause to play Norris on Stützle wings for a few games? The "good center" you're describing has 16 even strength points in 52 games this year and 65 assits in 235 career games mostly playing with our best wingers in the top 6.

Josh Norris is a good player, but he's NOT an NHL center. That much is obvious for people with eyes.

If he was in fact a "good center", he would not be on the trade block, as teams NEVER move 25yo, "good centers" that happen to be locked up long term.

 

[Golden_Jet]

By that logic, if a few lines rushes at practice held any answer, you'd think Zub would have played over Brown/Coburn/Gudbranson/etc. after a single practice instead of being scratched for 2+ months, no?

What harm could it possibly cause to play Norris on Stützle wings for a few games? The "good center" you're describing has 10 even strength points this year and 65 assits in 235 career games mostly playing with our best wingers in the top 6.

Josh Norris is a good player, but he's NOT an NHL center. That much is obvious for people with eyes.

If he was in fact a "good center", he would not be on the trade block, as teams NEVER move 25yo, "good centers" that happen to be locked up long term.

lol, scratched for 2+ months, math is hard I guess.

 

[PlayOn]

 

[OttawaSenators11]

Ottawa wants 6 goals in 36 games and another center ?

 

[jbeck5]

Speaking of potential playoff additions.

Would the sens perhaps play Yakemchuk in the playoffs a la McAvoy,Makar, etc

Or is he not good enough?

Those guys came from college though as opposed to junior, so maybe more prepared playing against older guys? Not sure.

 

[Tuna99]

He won't help against forechecking teams, true, but outscoring problems isn't a bad thing to have. Having a skilled winger like him absolutely helps against rush offense teams, since if we can convert high quality chances, then it won't even be countered by odd man rushes. A lot of odd man rushes we give up are a result of us not finishing our chances.

True, and some east goals of the rush would completely change this team but at its core I think Green/Staois want to cycle and play playoff hockey all the time. That’s why I say he’d help but don’t think his game fits the personality of the team or what they are trying to do

 

[Senator Stanley]

Speaking of potential playoff additions.

Would the sens perhaps play Yakemchuk in the playoffs ala McAvoy,Makar, etc

Or is he not good enough?

Those guys came from college though as opposed to junior, so maybe more prepared playing against older guys? Not sure.

The first issue is going to be availability - there's no guarantee his season will be over before the Sens', with the Hitmen loading up this year.

Even if he is, I really can't see them trusting him in a playoff game. I wouldn't.

 

[DueDiligence]

I feel in 3 years he will be an absolute beast.

Drake turns 27 in less than 2 months. What player has ever turned into a beast at 30 years old??? He is what he is which is a good pond hockey player that contributes when the stakes are low but rarely shows up when really needed.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

By that logic, if a few lines rushes at practice held any answer, you'd think Zub would have played over Brown/Coburn/Gudbranson/etc. after a single practice instead of being scratched for 2+ months, no?

What harm could it possibly cause to play Norris on Stützle wings for a few games? The "good center" you're describing has 16 even strength points in 52 games this year and 65 assits in 235 career games mostly playing with our best wingers in the top 6.

Josh Norris is a good player, but he's NOT an NHL center. That much is obvious for people with eyes.

If he was in fact a "good center", he would not be on the trade block, as teams NEVER move 25yo, "good centers" that happen to be locked up long term.

He’s very clearly an “NHL center”.

Well they do if he has injury history and a big cap hit and another center they really beleive in (which they might)

Norris is making too much money. I thought he was a 6-6.5 mil guy after he scored 35.

The harm it could do is now we have 2 good centers and a winger who isn’t a winger trying to figure out a new position instead of just 3 good centers

He’s a good center. Is he an 8 million dollar one? No

The powerplay is not his fault. Other teams with big shots work to open the shot up.

Our pp is stale and doesn’t move.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Drake turns 27 in less than 2 months. What player has ever turned into a beast at 30 years old??? He is what he is which is a good pond hockey player that contributes when the stakes are low but rarely shows up when really needed.

Not 30 but Reinhart just reached his career peak.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Ottawa wants 6 goals in 36 games and another center ?

He plays a hard game and has been productive in the past. He's like Pageau in that he isn't big, but he plays big. It's a complete "buy-low" proposition. He fits the mould of being a veteran who has experience in big playoff games. He is also from near Quebec City, so if he values being closer to home, it might increase the chances that we could re-sign him at a tolerable number in the summer.

If they are looking at him, it might be a contingency for if they move Norris and a C doesn't come back. Greig plays wing and C. So they would have Stutle/Pinto/Gourde down the middle, with Greig as an option.

The other thing is, we're very probably not going to be looking at the top-tier rental pieces that cost a 1st+, because we don't have the assets.

 

[DackellDuck]

Well he can play LW and with his trade protection + salary, probably won’t cost all that much. They’d have to retain 50% and we’d have to send Forsberg back though, or get rid of him in another deal.

Staios probably also thinks he can re-sign him since he’s from a town ~3.5 hours away.

The question I have, though, is why? He’s 33, doesn’t produce much offense, and he’s not the same player he was in Tampa.

Tkachuk - Stützle - Giroux
Gourde - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Perron

Maybe Staios wants an aging French speaker on each line.

 

[jbeck5]

The first issue is going to be availability - there's no guarantee his season will be over before the Sens', with the Hitmen loading up this year.

Even if he is, I really can't see them trusting him in a playoff game. I wouldn't.

Would you have trusted McAvoy or Makar at the time at the same age?

 

[PlayOn]

Well he can play LW and with his trade protection + salary, probably won’t cost all that much. They’d have to retain 50% and we’d have to send Forsberg back though, or get rid of him in another deal.

Staios probably also thinks he can re-sign him since he’s from a town ~3.5 hours away.

The question I have, though, is why? He’s 33, doesn’t produce much offense, and he’s not the same player he was in Tampa.

Tkachuk - Stützle - Giroux
Gourde - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Perron

Maybe Staios wants an aging French speaker on each line.

Getting us ready for the pre-season games in Quebec City!

I don’t mind though as long as we don’t give up much. Depth can’t hurt. If we make the playoffs we don’t have a single C that has played playoff games so having someone with experience doesn’t hurt.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Yanni gourde. A guy to come here and look like an absolute ass.

 

[Blotto71]

Well he can play LW and with his trade protection + salary, probably won’t cost all that much. They’d have to retain 50% and we’d have to send Forsberg back though, or get rid of him in another deal.

Staios probably also thinks he can re-sign him since he’s from a town ~3.5 hours away.

The question I have, though, is why? He’s 33, doesn’t produce much offense, and he’s not the same player he was in Tampa.

Tkachuk - Stützle - Giroux
Gourde - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Perron

Maybe Staios wants an aging French speaker on each line.

I knew there was a reason!

 

[Hale The Villain]

No doubt that we need some more offense.

Agreed that Dorion left us in such a disaster position that we have nothing to offer in a trade, all of our valuable assets are in the NHL and we need them. Dorion's team was so bad, Staios had to get to the cap just to make this team "ok".

Nothing will happen this trade deadline unless we like trade Norris or Batherson or something. Maybe we find someone who wants JBD and we get like a 5th rounder back.

I think the move might be to trade Halliday for a player instead of a 2nd/3rd.

I'd prefer to keep him, as he appears to have an outside shot and developing into a nice offensive player, but Green doesn't seem to think much of him.

Halliday leads the B-Sens in scoring and has been producing at a PPG pace since December, but has been passed up for callups by Highmore, Jenik, Crookshank, Reinhardt, etc... despite the team struggling to score all season and being without Norris and Pinto for a lot of the year.

Not sure what his value is around the league, but I imagine there are teams out there willing to give a 6'4 center with top 6 talent, vision and playmaking ability a chance.