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Valid points about speed. Ideally they can move Perron to a spot where he wants and extend Giroux at a reasonable cap hit. Giroux is a safebet for some production and with how crap we are at attracting FAs, would just extend him.
Fingers crosswed we get a legit top 6 winger that pushes both Giroux and Perron down on the icetime chart.
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Twice as many for less pay at least lol.
Amadio is also on a team where basically everyone, including the big guns, are well below where they should be for offensive production. I don't know how to judge these guys when everyone seems to be falling into this trap of not producing to career averages and/or expectations.
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I'm of the opinion that we won't be doing anything major at the deadline.
However, with Kleven out week-to-week, we probably need to find a depth left-shot defenceman. Weeks of Hamonic playing his off-side is a recipe for disaster. Maybe there's a JBD for a leftie trade to be found?
However, with Kleven out week-to-week, we probably need to find a depth left-shot defenceman. Weeks of Hamonic playing his off-side is a recipe for disaster. Maybe there's a JBD for a leftie trade to be found?
I wonder if they would have bought Norris out last summer if he cleared. The timing of his injury might have saved him from losing almost his entire remaining contract.
Here is what the buyout would have looked like:
His contract was backloaded, which would have given them a credit. He was also under 26 years old and would have qualified for the more favourable buyout rate. That averages out to about 1.1M per season in cap and 1.45M per season in real dollars.
The reason I bring this up is that I wonder if they would consider retaining on him to move him. Because he no longer qualifies for the rate in the screenshot, a buyout next year costs an average of 2.8M per season for 10 seasons. If they could move him for 1.5M-2.0M retained, and get back an NHL player making 6M or less with less term, would they do that?
Buyout!?
What are we talking about here? Norris may be ~$2M overpaid, but he's a guy who's producing at a 31G/50PT/82GP pace this year, plays 18+ minutes a night, is a fixture on the PP and PK, and wins 54% of his faceoffs. As we've seen, the team is much worse when he's not in the lineup. He's not a liability who can barely stay on the 4th line (see: Colin White).
Unless you're making a hockey deal where you get a player, or a couple of players, who you think will make your team better (either by being a better fit in the top 6 or improving depth), it makes zero sense to move on for Norris.
If the justification is cap room, well, we're not a destination for UFAs and most good players will have us on their NTL... so what good is that cap room? And why are we giving David Perron and Mike Amadio a combined $6.6M only to give Norris away for pennies if we're so concerned about cap?
If it's purely financial (i.e. the owner doesn't want to pay him and wants to reign salaries in), well... that's bad news because it means we have another penny pinching owner.
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Sebrango has served his suspension. I think he can do a decent Kleven impression in his absence.
ya if you can't get rid of Norris you arent a good gm.
He is 100% moveable and should be able to clear most of that cap if he remains healthy this year
If the team is serious about the playoffs, I hope they are looking to upgrade the bottom pair somehow. That was a need before Kleven got injured, now the need is paramount.
For stop gaps, I like Sebrango over JBD, but we all know that Hamonic is the number 1 defenceman on the team, bumping everyone down.
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Can you imagine them sitting Hamonic and playing Bran
Anything that puts TH in the pressbox
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Like it or not, they've shown confidence in Hamonic, so I highly doubt he'll be upgraded on.
The need is also very obviously more up front if they're going to do anything, imo.
Paywalled. Are you able to list the 8 names suggested?
The need is also very obviously more up front if they're going to do anything, imo.
Paywalled. Are you able to list the 8 names suggested?
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Ryan Donato, Chicago Blackhawks, C/LW
Stats: 58 GP, 21 goals, 43 pointsCap hit: $2 million (UFA 2025)
Donato’s name has been linked to the Senators in recent weeks. He even came up as a trade possibility in our recent callout to The Athletic subscribers. He’s a versatile forward who can play all three positions and has some good underlying metrics. His size could be a bit of a detriment but his offence would be a welcome addition to a team that sometimes struggles to score. The biggest hold-up for Ottawa is that Donato should be attractive enough of a commodity that his asking price could rise. For those who read our Senators’ trade proposals piece from last month, you’ll know that Chicago could be asking for a second-round draft pick for Donato.
GO DEEPER
Karlsson back to Ottawa? Dylan Cozens? Ryan Donato? Who says no?
Brandon Tanev, Seattle Kraken, LW
Stats: 59 GP, 9 goals, 17 pointsAAV: $3.5 million (UFA 2025)
Tanev would be relied upon as an energy winger who would be leaned upon to bolster the Sens’ bottom six forward core and for his playoff experience. The Athletic’s Pierre LeBrun mentioned Friday that Tanev was getting interest from “Cup contenders and bubble teams” ahead of the deadline. If Seattle is willing to retain salary or take in another contract at a similar rate, maybe the Senators have a chance at Tanev. But Tanev has some control over his next destination thanks to his modified no-trade clause.
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Why your NHL team won't — but should — make a trade deadline blockbuster
Rickard Rakell could give the Senators a top-six boost. (Charles LeClaire / USA Today)
Rickard Rakell, Pittsburgh Penguins, RW
Stats: 62 GP, 28 goals, 52 pointsAAV: $5 million (UFA 2028)
Yes, we’ve said that you shouldn’t expect the Senators to go big-game hunting at the deadline. But humour us for a moment if you will.
Rakell would provide such a boost to the Senators offensively. The Swedish winger is in the midst of a productive year for the Penguins and is one point away from 500 for his career. He’d likely be given a chance to play with Tim Stützle on Day 1 as a Senator. This is a trade where the Senators would have to flip a roster player and add assets to make it work. And depending on who jumps into the fray, the Senators could be outbid by other suitors. But this could be a shock to the system the Senators might need as they make their charge for the postseason.
Tommy Novak, Nashville Predators, LW
Stats: 51 GP, 12 goals, 21 pointsAAV: $3.5 million (UFA 2027)
Novak is in the first year of a three-year deal. But with the Predators toiling near the bottom of the standings, it makes sense to see them sell off assets. Gustav Nyquist was a potential trade target for the Senators before he was shipped to the Minnesota Wild on Saturday. If the Predators continue selling, the Senators should consider giving the Predators a call on Novak. A potential trade might require the Senators to flip a player or two to accommodate his salary, but Novak could be a middle-of-the-lineup scorer this team could surely use.
Trent Frederic, Boston Bruins, LW
Stats: 57 GP, 8 goals, 15 pointsAAV: $2.3 million (UFA 2025)
The Bruins will be selling ahead of the deadline, making players like Frederic expendable. Another middle-of-the-lineup player who is in the midst of a down season. Frederic isn’t that far off from a 40-point campaign with the Bruins. But he’d be able to contribute to the Senators as a checking-line forward with occasional scoring production. However, he’s currently out week to week with a lower-body injury.
Michael McCarron, Nashville Predators, RW
Stats: 52 GP, 3 goals, 8 pointsAAV: $900,000 (UFA 2026)
A year removed from a career-best 22-point season with Nashville, McCarron is an affordable, massive forward who can be counted on to win faceoffs. He’s won over 52 percent of his faceoffs through his eight-year career. The biggest holdup with McCarron is that his offensive contributions are limited, especially this season with three goals in Nashville. But if the Senators desperately wanted to make a move and were intrigued about a potential bounce-back, McCarron could be worth taking a flier on.
Luke Kunin, San Jose Sharks, LW
Stats: 61 GP, 11 goals, 18 pointsAAV: $2.75 million (UFA 2025)
Kunin’s ceiling is that of a secondary contributor and he’s accomplished that in Minnesota, Nashville and San Jose through his eight-year career. He’s a right-shot forward who would fit in the Senators’ bottom six. His 11 goals would have him tied for sixth on the Senators, just as many as Claude Giroux has to this point in the season and more than Ridly Greig, Michael Amadio, and Noah Gregor just to name a few players.
Anthony Beauvillier, Pittsburgh Penguins, LW
Stats: 62 GP, 13 goals, 20 pointsAAV: $1.25 million (UFA 2025)
Beauvillier has bounced around in recent years with very limited production. But in Pittsburgh, he’s reached the double-digit goal plateau for the first time since the 2021-22 season with the New York Islanders. Some shine has worn off the Quebecois forward but he could be worth considering as an addition for his offence.
without looking into their contracts ... Any of the above could replace someone in our bottom 6 and be a decent upgrade. I pay 1$ / month for this you can send me 3 cents when you get around to it
I think it’s really optimistic to suggest we will be able to clear most of his cap.
He’s been given difficult deployments in fairness, but he’s also been given a lot of scoring opportunities. He was on PP1 for most of the year, plays with the goalie pulled 6 on 5, plays OT minutes etc. He also plays with our best wingers often. So his stat line in some ways is deceptive. Compare him to Pinto who gets none of these opportunities (besides some OT minutes) but still finds himself with 20 points in his last 27 games largely playing with guys like Cousins, Amadio, Greig etc.
What I’m saying is that you not only need to find him a team where he can get those deployments for more certainty he can maintain the numbers, but a team that has space for him. I think we all like Norris so there is some bias here on what his true value is, but I’d imagine it’s not an easy trade to make.
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The buyout was in reference to last year when it would have made his contract almost completely go away with less than 100k cap on average in the first 4 seasons, and approx 1.5M on the books for 8 seasons after that when the rising cap would mean that 1.5M is a lot less than it is today.
The point of bringing up a buyout this offseason is to say that they won't buy him out because it is too cost restrictive, but they clearly don't want they long-term liability of the contract, so I wonder if the high buyout cost could help them justify retaining 1M-2M.
We don't live in the reality of a penny pinching owner. The current state of the league is such that most teams except the big market teams are going to to be aware of what kind of liabilities they have on the books. Low Canadian dollar, plus small market teams having to operate within a cap that is partly skewed higher by the HRR brought in by the bigger markets means that every team is going to have to make these kind of decisions. 9.5M for an injury prone center is a massive opportunity cost.
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Thanks. I had a subscription at one point but must have cut it off. Lol, 3 cents is on the way!Ryan Donato, Chicago Blackhawks, C/LW
Stats: 58 GP, 21 goals, 43 points
Cap hit: $2 million (UFA 2025)
Donato’s name has been linked to the Senators in recent weeks. He even came up as a trade possibility in our recent callout to The Athletic subscribers. He’s a versatile forward who can play all three positions and has some good underlying metrics. His size could be a bit of a detriment but his offence would be a welcome addition to a team that sometimes struggles to score. The biggest hold-up for Ottawa is that Donato should be attractive enough of a commodity that his asking price could rise. For those who read our Senators’ trade proposals piece from last month, you’ll know that Chicago could be asking for a second-round draft pick for Donato.
GO DEEPER
Karlsson back to Ottawa? Dylan Cozens? Ryan Donato? Who says no?
Brandon Tanev, Seattle Kraken, LW
Stats: 59 GP, 9 goals, 17 points
AAV: $3.5 million (UFA 2025)
Tanev would be relied upon as an energy winger who would be leaned upon to bolster the Sens’ bottom six forward core and for his playoff experience. The Athletic’s Pierre LeBrun mentioned Friday that Tanev was getting interest from “Cup contenders and bubble teams” ahead of the deadline. If Seattle is willing to retain salary or take in another contract at a similar rate, maybe the Senators have a chance at Tanev. But Tanev has some control over his next destination thanks to his modified no-trade clause.
GO DEEPER
Why your NHL team won't — but should — make a trade deadline blockbuster
Rickard Rakell could give the Senators a top-six boost. (Charles LeClaire / USA Today)
Rickard Rakell, Pittsburgh Penguins, RW
Stats: 62 GP, 28 goals, 52 points
AAV: $5 million (UFA 2028)
Yes, we’ve said that you shouldn’t expect the Senators to go big-game hunting at the deadline. But humour us for a moment if you will.
Rakell would provide such a boost to the Senators offensively. The Swedish winger is in the midst of a productive year for the Penguins and is one point away from 500 for his career. He’d likely be given a chance to play with Tim Stützle on Day 1 as a Senator. This is a trade where the Senators would have to flip a roster player and add assets to make it work. And depending on who jumps into the fray, the Senators could be outbid by other suitors. But this could be a shock to the system the Senators might need as they make their charge for the postseason.
Tommy Novak, Nashville Predators, LW
Stats: 51 GP, 12 goals, 21 points
AAV: $3.5 million (UFA 2027)
Novak is in the first year of a three-year deal. But with the Predators toiling near the bottom of the standings, it makes sense to see them sell off assets. Gustav Nyquist was a potential trade target for the Senators before he was shipped to the Minnesota Wild on Saturday. If the Predators continue selling, the Senators should consider giving the Predators a call on Novak. A potential trade might require the Senators to flip a player or two to accommodate his salary, but Novak could be a middle-of-the-lineup scorer this team could surely use.
Trent Frederic, Boston Bruins, LW
Stats: 57 GP, 8 goals, 15 points
AAV: $2.3 million (UFA 2025)
The Bruins will be selling ahead of the deadline, making players like Frederic expendable. Another middle-of-the-lineup player who is in the midst of a down season. Frederic isn’t that far off from a 40-point campaign with the Bruins. But he’d be able to contribute to the Senators as a checking-line forward with occasional scoring production. However, he’s currently out week to week with a lower-body injury.
Michael McCarron, Nashville Predators, RW
Stats: 52 GP, 3 goals, 8 points
AAV: $900,000 (UFA 2026)
A year removed from a career-best 22-point season with Nashville, McCarron is an affordable, massive forward who can be counted on to win faceoffs. He’s won over 52 percent of his faceoffs through his eight-year career. The biggest holdup with McCarron is that his offensive contributions are limited, especially this season with three goals in Nashville. But if the Senators desperately wanted to make a move and were intrigued about a potential bounce-back, McCarron could be worth taking a flier on.
Luke Kunin, San Jose Sharks, LW
Stats: 61 GP, 11 goals, 18 points
AAV: $2.75 million (UFA 2025)
Kunin’s ceiling is that of a secondary contributor and he’s accomplished that in Minnesota, Nashville and San Jose through his eight-year career. He’s a right-shot forward who would fit in the Senators’ bottom six. His 11 goals would have him tied for sixth on the Senators, just as many as Claude Giroux has to this point in the season and more than Ridly Greig, Michael Amadio, and Noah Gregor just to name a few players.
Anthony Beauvillier, Pittsburgh Penguins, LW
Stats: 62 GP, 13 goals, 20 points
AAV: $1.25 million (UFA 2025)
Beauvillier has bounced around in recent years with very limited production. But in Pittsburgh, he’s reached the double-digit goal plateau for the first time since the 2021-22 season with the New York Islanders. Some shine has worn off the Quebecois forward but he could be worth considering as an addition for his offence.
without looking into their contracts ... Any of the above could replace someone in our bottom 6 and be a decent upgrade. I pay 1$ / month for this you can send me 3 cents when you get around to it
No real surprises there.
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I think that they are going to have to relent and retain money. It would be better to take back a bad contract than retain.
If we do trade Tkachuk this offseason, I could see us trying to include Norris in the trade. Karlsson+Ryan 2.0.
This is a bit unethical but if you click CTRL+P really quickly, you can save it as a PDF - you can also use reader mode.
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Matthew Tkachuk on LTIR , should be ok for the playoffs... nod if you've seen this before.
NHL is ridiculous to allow teams to exceed the cap in the playoffs.
NHL is ridiculous to allow teams to exceed the cap in the playoffs.
It might be similar to the Seth Jones deal. Take back a young player with potential that is currently overpaid and around 2 million of retention.
Honestly would prefer that to just taking back scraps we don’t really need.
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Lol. IDGAF about any unethical means of sourcing media in this shit era of 2025. It's either that or I would just live without.
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- Drake Batherson (5M, 3 years)
- Josh Norris (8M, 6 years)
- Jacob Bernard-Dock (800k, RFA)
- Conditional 2026 OTT 1st Round Pick or 2027 3rd Round Pick*
*This pick transfers if Ottawa wins the Stanley Cup in 2025 or 2026 and Erik Karlsson plays in at least half the playoff games.
**If Ottawa does not have their 2026 First Round Pick, they can give Pittsburgh their 2027 1st Round Pick unprotected.
***If none of the conditions are met, Pittsburgh receives a 2027 3rd Round Pick instead of a 2026 1st Round pick.
- Erik Karlsson (8M, 3 years)*
- Rickard Rakell (5M, 4 years)
- Emil Bemstrom (775k, RFA)
*Pittsburgh Retains 2M.
- Batherson and Crosby train together. In my Sens fan fic they are buddies and Crosby would welcome Batherson to the team.
- Rakell is Swedish.
- There is no market for Karlsson. Norris is younger, maybe can pick a thing or two up under Crosby and figure into Pittsburgh's current rebuild long-term.
- Pittsburgh can pump Batherson's numbers with butter soft deployment and flip him next year or the year after and possibly get a 1st.
- Conditional 1st is in there as a face saving move for Dubas. In all likelihood, it turns out to be a 2027 3rd. Just like we did with the original Karlsson trade where we got to say that we got three possible first round picks for him, when the reality is we got one.
- Bemstrom is a fringe NHLer who produces in the AHL but hasn't made an impact in Pittsburgh. He is not waiver exempt. He is right handed and we are going to need depth on the right side if we lose Batherson.
- In short, Batherson for Rakell combined with Norris @ 8M for Karlsson @ 8M, with a pick going Pittsburghs way because that sort of thing always happens with Dorion.
This proposal makes me miss Norris for Soucy and Hoglander. You’ve outdone yourself.
Cap In = 13.800M - 3 Roster Spots
- Drake Batherson (5M, 3 years)
- Josh Norris (8M, 6 years)
- Jacob Bernard-Dock (800k, RFA)
- Conditional 2026 OTT 1st Round Pick or 2027 3rd Round Pick*
*This pick transfers if Ottawa wins the Stanley Cup in 2025 or 2026 and Erik Karlsson plays in at least half the playoff games.
**If Ottawa does not have their 2026 First Round Pick, they can give Pittsburgh their 2027 1st Round Pick unprotected.
***If none of the conditions are met, Pittsburgh receives a 2027 3rd Round Pick instead of a 2026 1st Round pick.
Cap In = 13.775M - 3 Roster Spots
- Erik Karlsson (8M, 3 years)*
- Rickard Rakell (5M, 4 years)
- Emil Bemstrom (775k, RFA)
*Pittsburgh Retains 2M.
- Batherson and Crosby train together. In my Sens fan fic they are buddies and Crosby would welcome Batherson to the team.
- Rakell is Swedish.
- There is no market for Karlsson. Norris is younger, maybe can pick a thing or two up under Crosby and figure into Pittsburgh's current rebuild long-term.
- Pittsburgh can pump Batherson's numbers with butter soft deployment and flip him next year or the year after and possibly get a 1st.
- Conditional 1st is in there as a face saving move for Dubas. In all likelihood, it turns out to be a 2027 3rd. Just like we did with the original Karlsson trade where we got to say that we got three possible first round picks for him, when the reality is we got one.
- Bemstrom is a fringe NHLer who produces in the AHL but hasn't made an impact in Pittsburgh. He is not waiver exempt. He is right handed and we are going to need depth on the right side if we lose Batherson.
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Do we flip one of Jensen/Zub in this scenario?
Cap In = 13.800M - 3 Roster Spots
- Drake Batherson (5M, 3 years)
- Josh Norris (8M, 6 years)
- Jacob Bernard-Dock (800k, RFA)
- Conditional 2026 OTT 1st Round Pick or 2027 3rd Round Pick*
*This pick transfers if Ottawa wins the Stanley Cup in 2025 or 2026 and Erik Karlsson plays in at least half the playoff games.
**If Ottawa does not have their 2026 First Round Pick, they can give Pittsburgh their 2027 1st Round Pick unprotected.
***If none of the conditions are met, Pittsburgh receives a 2027 3rd Round Pick instead of a 2026 1st Round pick.
Cap In = 13.775M - 3 Roster Spots
- Erik Karlsson (8M, 3 years)*
- Rickard Rakell (5M, 4 years)
- Emil Bemstrom (775k, RFA)
*Pittsburgh Retains 2M.
- Batherson and Crosby train together. In my Sens fan fic they are buddies and Crosby would welcome Batherson to the team.
- Rakell is Swedish.
- There is no market for Karlsson. Norris is younger, maybe can pick a thing or two up under Crosby and figure into Pittsburgh's current rebuild long-term.
- Pittsburgh can pump Batherson's numbers with butter soft deployment and flip him next year or the year after and possibly get a 1st.
- Conditional 1st is in there as a face saving move for Dubas. In all likelihood, it turns out to be a 2027 3rd. Just like we did with the original Karlsson trade where we got to say that we got three possible first round picks for him, when the reality is we got one.
- Bemstrom is a fringe NHLer who produces in the AHL but hasn't made an impact in Pittsburgh. He is not waiver exempt. He is right handed and we are going to need depth on the right side if we lose Batherson.
- In short, Batherson for Rakell combined with Norris @ 8M for Karlsson @ 8M, with a pick going Pittsburghs way because that sort of thing always happens with Dorion.
I don't think the cap increase is primarily being driven by bigger markets. We're not going to see such a substantial jump because the NYR and Maple Leafs started selling more tickets. We're going to see it jump because shared revenue is expected to increase (TV deals, streaming, etc), and the Senators will benefit from those revenue streams just as much as the LA Kings.
Also, opportunity cost is an interesting term to use. Because it implies that the Senators could better allocate the $7.95M cap hit (or $9.5M salary) somewhere else.
Is that really the case?
People are going to be really surprised at the AAVs players sign for this summer. Let's say we trade Norris and get his cap hit completely off the books. We could then go after Ryan Donato and Brandon Tanev. Those 2 players would likely cost us $8-$8.5M combined, and they're the type of free-agents we could realistically attract (if we overpay).
Is that a better allocation of money than just keeping Norris?
Yeah, maybe you remove the risk of Norris' injuries. But you add the risk of those players not being able to contribute much on the ice (see: David Perron).
Sometimes it's better to overpay the 26 year old player you know vs. overpaying the 30 year old players you don't. And let's be real, we're not going to be in the mix for guys like Nik Ehlers. We have to shop at Value Village.
Again, if there's a hockey deal out there that makes sense, then by all means. But clearing the contract? No thanks. We have a hard enough time bringing good players into the fold, and it's not like there are any offensive prospects breaking down the door in Belleville.
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