Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5
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frightenedinmatenum2
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He is going to be that really bad UFA contract some team signs.
I highly doubt he would ever sign here. If we acquire him, it's our last ditch effort to make things work around this core with Tkachuk, before we have to make some tough choices in the offseason.
ReginKarlssonLehner
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Boeser would be terrible. He might give 1-2 good seasons but anchor after that. There's a reason why Van never offered over 5 years.
Rather line up the assets for Troy Terry or someone of that ilk.
I'd rather trade Norris for Scott Laughton than Boeser. Boeser will be an anchor AND he has injury history of his own, or else I would say give it a shot. No thanks.
Rather line up the assets for Troy Terry or someone of that ilk.
I'd rather trade Norris for Scott Laughton than Boeser. Boeser will be an anchor AND he has injury history of his own, or else I would say give it a shot. No thanks.
Norris for Boeser as a rental is honestly better than Scott Laughton. It’s not like they have to re-sign him.
ReginKarlssonLehner
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I completely agree, as long as we don't sign him, and as long as we use the 8 million on something special/worthwhile like Ehlers or Nelson + something extra or Tavares (yes).
Ottawa is not bad position at all, locked Sandy and Timmy , salary cap will rise and rise ( 25 M more after three season)
Do not add something big, just ryan donato style players with second round picks or third round picks,
Make play -off,
Forfeit our first round pick
Trade Perron in summer, + forsberg when you want no matter
Add 8-9 M player for help Timmy line, + every next year + 9 M space
Do not add something big, just ryan donato style players with second round picks or third round picks,
Make play -off,
Forfeit our first round pick
Trade Perron in summer, + forsberg when you want no matter
Add 8-9 M player for help Timmy line, + every next year + 9 M space
None of those guys are coming here.
You basically have to assume that your options in this scenario are trade Norris for Boeser and try to re-sign him, or use the 8 million it frees up to improve the depth on the team.
Which is why I would rather just keep Norris. But the reality is he’s a bad 5v5 producer as of now and he’s been taken off PP1, so if that continues it poses a concern that his production will get even worse. I think that’s why the Sens would do it, but I don’t think if we free up his 8 million we are likely to get a big name player to fill that void.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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At this point, I am more worried about Giroux's deterioration than Norris' shoulder. Should be looking to fill his top 6 role long term as the priority and they really need a better fit with Stutzle and Tkachuk imo.
frightenedinmatenum2
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I don't think it's as simple as Boeser for Norris, otherwise it probably would be done by now.
Vancouver is probably at spot where they'd take the liability of the Norris contract if we subsidize it by taking back subpar contracts, and we probably want them to somehow parlay that into giving us Boeser for a cost that works for us (aka not involving our 1st).
As in, okay we do Norris for Soucy and Hoglander but you've gotta give us Boeser for Ostapchuk, a 2nd, and Sogaard instead of Ostpachuk and a 1st.
I've mentioned this before, but the deadline for season seat members to opt-out of their auto-renewal is something like March 3rd at midnight. So I don't think we're making any trade before that time that would have a chance of being perceived poorly. Like selling off Norris or Batherson for unsexy role players or in the case of Norris, bad contracts with less money+term. Someone go to the CTC store and see if they've marked down those racks of Norris jerseys.
Vancouver is probably at spot where they'd take the liability of the Norris contract if we subsidize it by taking back subpar contracts, and we probably want them to somehow parlay that into giving us Boeser for a cost that works for us (aka not involving our 1st).
As in, okay we do Norris for Soucy and Hoglander but you've gotta give us Boeser for Ostapchuk, a 2nd, and Sogaard instead of Ostpachuk and a 1st.
I've mentioned this before, but the deadline for season seat members to opt-out of their auto-renewal is something like March 3rd at midnight. So I don't think we're making any trade before that time that would have a chance of being perceived poorly. Like selling off Norris or Batherson for unsexy role players or in the case of Norris, bad contracts with less money+term. Someone go to the CTC store and see if they've marked down those racks of Norris jerseys.
Alex1234
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So we get Boeser that he’s free to go July 1st
If we re-sign him it’s probably for 7.5 (almost Norris)
We get 36pts in 53G Vs 31 in 51
And we piss Brady
I don't see us trading Norris without getting a C back in the deal, unless we plan to trade Batherson for a C in another deal.
ReginKarlssonLehner
Let's Win It All
I agree.
Not a cent over 3 million for Giroux. Give him 2 million in performance bonuses.
Norris, Giroux, Perron, Batherson, Forsberg.
Staios has a significant next few months ahead of him.
Valid point on the Sens need to find a better fit for the top 6, but Giroux is a safe bet for 40-50 points even if he declines more from this year. If we decrease his 18 minutes a game to 16, he's going to be fair value, but that's all predicated on Staios finding someone to push Giroux down the line up. Giroux is currently more productive than Norris and given Norris' injury troubles, they'll both be 50 point guys next year.
frightenedinmatenum2
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We wouldn't re-sign Boeser.
The point of the trade would be to make a short term push and add 3 roster players for the cap of 1. Because they can't leave any stone unturned when it comes to pushing for the playoffs because of where they are in relation to this build and Brady with his NMC coming up.
The other point is to get out of the liability of the Norris contract. Even if they have to take back a contract or two from Vancouver, those will have a lot less money and term.
SensFactor
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Donato in Chicago is on fire right now. His price is going up by the day.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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Ya, I really struggle with this one. I think he'll be kept, and he'll get more than 3, but he's just so miscast on a top line at this point.
I at least have confidence that Norris could trend up, or at least maintain, while Giroux will only go down, guaranteed by age. The goal should be him being outside of the top 6 starting next year.
Bjornar Moxnes
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Even if one makes the argument that he's benefitting from getting prime time on a bad team, Donato has the most EV points out of everyone on the team. Even with a higher shooting percentage than career normal, he's still shooting below Bertuzzi and Teuvo, yet has more goals than both.
Would cost at least a 2nd I imagine.
Should easily pass on that given this team is nowhere near a contender and not even in a playoff spot, but with the pressure Staios is under to make the post-season I could see us doing it.
We're also in the unfortunate position of going into the deadline with very little cap space. Will be competing with several other teams in a similar position for a limited number of players on cheap contracts, which will drive the price up even further.
frightenedinmatenum2
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Batherson for Peterka + 2nd round pick.
Frees up cap space for the rest of the season. Gives us another asset to add Donato.
Frees up cap space for the rest of the season. Gives us another asset to add Donato.
We'd be the one adding to get Peterka, not Buffalo.
I also don't see them being interested in a Batherson for Peterka swap.
They'd get the older and worse player going forward. Could basically be their version of Zibanejad+2nd for Brassard.
If we want Peterka in a Sens jersey I think they'd demand Pinto be involved.
Erik Alfredsson
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I'll never get the fascination with wanting to give up a ton of assets to get a mid player from a terrible franchise. What do they know about winning? A guy like Peterka is skilled enough to put up points in any top 6, but if he comes here do you honestly think that he just seamlessly plugs in? Or do you think that he will have to learn to play responsible winning hockey, which he's never done at any point in his career, and this causes his production to take a hit as he learns committment to defense?
I'm not opposed to trading a guy like Batherson, but does flipping him for a guy like Peterka really solve anything? Batherson has more points this year while on a team that's actually trying to play serious two-way hockey, not some tire fire garbage franchise like Buffalo where they stopped caring about playing the right way a long time ago.
I feel like a lot of people have Dorion syndrome where they want to make a trade for the excitement of making a trade and assuming that any skilled player outside of the Senators must be better than what we've got. If you're going to make a swap in your top 6 you need to be intelligent about it, and be patient and wait for the right opportunity to get the right player back. Not just grabbing a guy from a dog shit team because he played with Stützle when they were teenagers.
I'm not opposed to trading a guy like Batherson, but does flipping him for a guy like Peterka really solve anything? Batherson has more points this year while on a team that's actually trying to play serious two-way hockey, not some tire fire garbage franchise like Buffalo where they stopped caring about playing the right way a long time ago.
I feel like a lot of people have Dorion syndrome where they want to make a trade for the excitement of making a trade and assuming that any skilled player outside of the Senators must be better than what we've got. If you're going to make a swap in your top 6 you need to be intelligent about it, and be patient and wait for the right opportunity to get the right player back. Not just grabbing a guy from a dog shit team because he played with Stützle when they were teenagers.
frightenedinmatenum2
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Most of the Peterka fantasies stem from him being from Germany. Sens fans now want plays from Germany, as if they think it is the Gatineau of Europe.
Adele Dazeem
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