Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Senscore]

Put that wallet down right goddamn now

 

[Golden_Jet]

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Put that wallet down right goddamn now

What’s that supposed to mean?

 

[bicboi64]

Huge yes too Luke Schenn. While we're at it get Lauzon and Sherwood from Vancouver.

Forget scoring, lets' just hit our opponents into oblivion

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Forsberg vs Tokarski + late pick

I like the idea of Fright about a three way deal for Karlson vs Norris

Donato vs JBD and 3rnd pick

B.Tanev vs 2rnd

Our defence looks good. Don’t need to blow up one position to improve it.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Huge yes too Luke Schenn. While we're at it get Lauzon and Sherwood from Vancouver.

Forget scoring, lets' just hit our opponents into oblivion

Sherwood isn't like the others though and would actually be excellent in our system and be a great boost to bottom 6, and even be useful in the top 6 giving more space for Timmy to work with for example.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I think the interest in Schenn was probably genuine but prior to us acquiring Jensen.

Given Matinpalo's emergence, don't see a big need to acquire an expensive bottom pairing RD.

I'd add more depth in the offseason but he and JBD should be able to adequately handle #6 duties for next season, assuming Yak needs more time.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

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Put that wallet down right goddamn now

Even more reason to trade our Round 1-3 picks for immediate help. This dude will just waste them on Gabriel Elliasson on some shit.

 

[Senscore]

Even more reason to trade our Round 1-3 picks for immediate help. This dude will just waste them on Gabriel Elliasson on some shit.

Sometimes we get lucky with a Shane Pinto, which is still better than trading for vets that don't want to be here.

 

[aragorn]

If they can upgrade on Forsberg at a cheaper price, that would be great, but I don't see a need to upgrade in goal or defence at this time especially if it is going to cost us too much. I'm also completely against trading Norris, he is a very good two way centre who was relied on for faceoffs all over the ice, even passing Giroux for key faceoffs which is so important in hockey these days. He is second to Tkachuk in soring goals, he has proven before he has a ton of skill, he is great defensively including on the PK, he can play in all situations & is trusted by the coaching staff & he can score goals. Why would we trade such a good player for some soft player that cannot be depended on in the playoffs?

Where they do need to upgrade is on the 4th line, they need to find guys who are either tougher, bigger or more productive & if they can find all that in one player that is affordable that would be great. I would like to see them pursue Lawson Crouse LW leading up to the trade deadline, he would certainly improve this team's confidence & a number of them would play much bigger with him on this roster. I'd also go after Nick Bjugstad C/RW if they can afford it.

 

[Ouroboros]

Listening to 32 thoughts and while talking about Schenn, mentioned Ottawa inquired about him last year.

Potential target this year ?

They were pretty deep in talks on a Norris/Schenn swap last season.

Makes some sense. Schenn has a shorter contract and is only owed 14.8M over the next 3 seasons, which is pretty nice. The Senators are going to be stretched extremely thin as the cap blasts past 100M USD.

Schenn is also much more durable and he's won a Cup which is something Staios clearly prioritized last off-season. His full-NTC is likely a major stumbling block.

 

[bicboi64]

They were pretty deep in talks on a Norris/Schenn swap last season.

Makes some sense. Schenn has a shorter contract and is only owed 14.8M over the next 3 seasons, which is pretty nice. The Senators are going to be stretched extremely thin as the cap blasts past 100M USD.

Schenn is also much more durable and he's won a Cup which is something Staios clearly prioritized last off-season. His full-NTC is likely a major stumbling block.

Norris for Schenn would help us with the cap and term, but Schenn isn't as good as Norris on the dot, PK, and will be declining. I'd be open to acquiring him but feel like we should get another piece in return.

 

[ottawagm]

Norris for Schenn would help us with the cap and term, but Schenn isn't as good as Norris on the dot, PK, and will be declining. I'd be open to acquiring him but feel like we should get another piece in return.

Deal around Norris and Zub for Schenn and Parayko

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I still think Luke Schenn has a lot to give. I understand that him being a right handed D might be a problem, but I'd still like to see what he could do on a true shutdown pair with Hamonic.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I still think Luke Schenn has a lot to give. I understand that him being a right handed D might be a problem, but I'd still like to see what he could do on a true shutdown pair with Hamonic.

Luke Schenn does not have a lot to give, he is barely hanging on now, and at 2.75.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Sherwood isn't like the others though and would actually be excellent in our system and be a great boost to bottom 6, and even be useful in the top 6 giving more space for Timmy to work with for example.

In his best year, Sherwood got 27 points in 68 games which ironically is the same number of points that Amadio got while he was in VGK. He doesn’t seem like a top six player. I can see the idea that he might be a better option than some of current bottom six players, but it seems unlikely he would fill our current need for a big (larger) boost in scoring.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Deal around Norris and Zub for Schenn and Parayko

Schenn & Parayko both have No Trade Clauses (NTC) & NTCs require player approval.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Luke Schenn does not have a lot to give, he is barely hanging on now, and at 2.75.

Yes, but I think Hamonic could get the best out of him.

 

[Bileur]

Listening to 32 thoughts and while talking about Schenn, mentioned Ottawa inquired about him last year.

Potential target this year ?

Brayden or Luke?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Brayden or Luke?

Was in reference to Brayden

 

[Ice-Tray]

I think the reason they are attempting a Norris trade in season is to try and improve the roster to not only increase the chances of making the playoffs, but also to do some damage.

They don't have the cap in season to add anybody. The cap situation is a mess. They are almost entirely locked out from making any improvements or additions to the roster. That is why I think we will see Norris moved to acquire 2-3 upgrades throughout the lineup at the expense of downgrading our 2C from Norris to Pinto.

As far as Norris long-term, it's not just about the cap ceiling. It's been highly publicized that the weak Canadian dollar and rising cap is going to be difficult for Canadian teams whose gate income is in Canadian dollars. They might not like the idea of having a 9.5M USD forward with multiple shoulder injuries under his belt. It's not as simple as saying he will just go on LTIR, because there are real dollars involved, even if insurance covers part of it. We don't know for sure that the shoulder wasn't considered a pre-existing condition when he signed, or what level his contract is insured to.

They have apparently been trying to move Norris pretty much since Dorion left. It's doubtful he is an easy player to trade and get value back, otherwise he may have been moved by now. So that points to them really not liking something about keeping Norris.

Is Garrioche your source here?

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Is Garrioche your source here?

A league executive.

Was in reference to Brayden

Shame on that poster for getting everybody's hopes up.

 

[Boud]

I really wonder what kind of deal would work for Schenn on our end. It doesn’t make a lot of sense on the surface because of the cap and the lack of assets. Thing is he could be a very good fit replacing Giroux or Perron for the next 2 years at a relatively low cap hit compared to what you might get on the UFA market.

He fits the mold of what Staios is trying to bring. Cup winner, plays our style, leader and plays both sides of the ice.

This would be more like an offseason deal for us though and I see many other teams that are deeper in their contention window that would be ready to give more. Seems very unlikely to me at this junction … unless Staios is ready to give a 1st rounder and I just don’t see it. It would take Greig probably and to me that’s not the tradeoff we should be making right now. At some point in the next few years, sure, but not now.

 

[Boud]

Hope CLB fall out of the race before the deadline. We really need someone like Olivier.

That would be an incredible add to this team but Columbus would be smart to re-sign him. He’s still relatively young, has a letter on his jersey, protects his teammates, PKs, can put the puck in the net. That’s a rare combo to have.

I would be surprised if Columbus doesn’t re-sign him. They have cap space and he’s a leader on that team.

 

[sensodyne17]

We are cap locked and have depth issues.

I've said this before, but I see it working out like we get 2-3 legitimate NHL players who may or may not be underperforming or redundant, and won't be at all exciting to acquire. The prime motivation of management being to improve the roster in the short term and get out of the liability of the Norris contract in the long term.

If the Islanders are involved with Vancouver, it also opens things up to take someone from the Islanders roster, because Vancouver are going to need to take back more than Dobson to make Pettersson to VAN work.

It could be something like Pettersson for Dobson+Pageau, then Pageau or Chytil+Soucy+Hoglander to Ottawa for Norris a fringe NHLer or two.

Norris and two roster spots is about 9.5M-10M in cap, (Pageau or Chytil)+Soucy+Hoglander is a max of 9.25M.

I am not advocating for that format of a trade, and saying look at this exciting idea - but I think something like that is probably the end result. Vancouver will want to move players with term to take Norris.

Hoglander only has a 1M cap this year and Travis Green would be familiar with him. Curiously enough, he saw bigger minutes as a rookie under Travis Green than he saw under any other coach for his entire career. Green was fired early into his sophomore season. He is not producing for Vancouver, and his 3 year 3M extension kicks in next season. I could see him being an ideal player for both sides because it allows Vancouver to dump cap with term, but his 1M cap hit this year makes it easier for Ottawa to fit him in.

Soucy is rumoured to be available. He has a NTC. Curiously enough, there is a connection there with Mike Yeo, who was head coach when Soucy would have been working his way through the Wild system, and later one of the assistant coaches in Vancouver. So while players usually will not waive for the Senators, if they have some sort of personal connection it's possible that Soucy might trust that coming to Ottawa would be good because the Senators want him and he can play a bigger role than going somewhere else.

Then you add another forward from either the Islanders or Senators. Ideally a center. I brought up Pageau or Chytil (assuming VAN gets a C back from NYI to replace Chytil, and assuming he wasn't their ideal target but they had to take him). But it could be just about anybody under 5M who would be expendable.

tl;dr:
-Norris for 3 roster players no one will be excited about that are cap in/out.
-Hoglander and Green are bros in my fan fiction about this.
-Mike Yeo convinces Soucy that he will get the Hamonic treatment and play 27 minutes a night here.
-Vancouver working with NYI opens up the Senators to take a veteran off the Islanders roster, because they will need to send Vancouver more than Dobson's 5M to take Pettersson's 11.5M cap hit.

Canucks fan here.

Keep thinking Norris to VAN just seems inevitable with the amount of smoke. Him being best friends with Quinn just makes this a no brainer.

Agreed, don’t think Norris has high value given the price tag and injury history. Seems like just two parties needing a fresh start. Getting rid of the contract and picking up depth seems to be the most logical way to go about it.

Hoglander was very good under Travis Green and desperately needs a fresh start. Scored 24 last year playing mostly bottom six minutes. Modest contract for 3M x 3 years.

Soucy has one more year remaining at 3.25M and is a serviceable third pairing dman… is probably better than Hamonic right now and can play both sides.

I feel like Soucy and Hoglander isnt enough to pull the trigger for you guys… we can probably take back Perron too. Is he completely washed? Is he still good on the powerplay at least? Canucks could use another offensive winger even as a stop gap.

Soucy Hoglander for Norris Perron. You guys would save about $6M next year and still get two useful roster players. Canucks take a massive swing for a center.

 

[sensodyne17]

I really do not understand fascination with Boeser. At all.

Before anyone says 40 goals, 73 points.... yea, his linemate was JT Miller who scored 103 points.

And outside of that season, he never hit 30 any other time. AND he is weak defensively. And he is injury-riddled history himself.

No. Thanks.

Ottawa: Rantanen
Vancouver: Norris
Carolina: Boeser + Ottawa 2nd + Lekkerimaki/Soucy

Canucks fan here.

Canucks would not trade their top forward prospect in Lekkerimaki for a guy who can't stay healthy and not worth his salary.

Would rather have the ELC + cap space.

I could see Boeser for Norris. Could also see us adding Soucy. But not picks or prospects. Norris/Boeser are similar in value considering contract and injury factors.