aragorn
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If Lawson Crouse LW is available from Utah, Staois should absolutely look to acquire him. It seems he might need a change of scenery, but what would it cost to acquire Crouse?
Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5
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I don’t like deals where we give up the best player
And in this one it’s the best player by far
frightenedinmatenum2
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If VAN takes Norris, they are going to want to dump contracts with term beyond just Soucy.
I also think that we won't get anything nearly at the level of Norris back. It will be like trading Norris for 2-3 contracts with the logic being, we get out of the long-term obligation to Norris and we fill 2-3 positions of need.
Along with Soucy, here are their current players with term who might be expendable:
Chytil or Joshua
Soucy
Hoglander
For
Norris
Two bottom 6 or #7D type depth roster players.
Sens would move out about 9.5M-10M this season (Norris at 8M + two roster spots totalling 1.55M+). Hoglander and Soucy cost 4.35M. That leaves enough to add Joshua or Chytil and still keep it cap compliant for Ottawa.
That also possibly opens cap to go after Donato or Tanev. So all of a sudden, it creates a scenario where previously the Senators depth was being heavily tested, and all of a sudden they turn Norris into 3-4 NHLers.
Not saying that logic checks out or it's a good trade to make, but when I hear Norris to VAN with Soucy coming back, that's what I expect. Soucy to be packaged with 2 more misfit toys. Joshua makes a lot of sense because we badly need size and toughness in our lineup (Minnesota game being the case study for this), and there is a legitimate reason why he has taken a step back this year (offseason testicular cancer surgery). So you look at that contract beyond this season and hope that a year after his procedure, he might be able to bounce back and start producing again.
I also think that we won't get anything nearly at the level of Norris back. It will be like trading Norris for 2-3 contracts with the logic being, we get out of the long-term obligation to Norris and we fill 2-3 positions of need.
Along with Soucy, here are their current players with term who might be expendable:
- Soucy LD (3.25M x 2 years)
- Chytil C (4.43M x 3 years)
- Joshua LW (3.25M x 4 years)
- Hoglander LW (1.1M x 1 year + 3M x 3 years extension)
Chytil or Joshua
Soucy
Hoglander
For
Norris
Two bottom 6 or #7D type depth roster players.
Sens would move out about 9.5M-10M this season (Norris at 8M + two roster spots totalling 1.55M+). Hoglander and Soucy cost 4.35M. That leaves enough to add Joshua or Chytil and still keep it cap compliant for Ottawa.
That also possibly opens cap to go after Donato or Tanev. So all of a sudden, it creates a scenario where previously the Senators depth was being heavily tested, and all of a sudden they turn Norris into 3-4 NHLers.
Not saying that logic checks out or it's a good trade to make, but when I hear Norris to VAN with Soucy coming back, that's what I expect. Soucy to be packaged with 2 more misfit toys. Joshua makes a lot of sense because we badly need size and toughness in our lineup (Minnesota game being the case study for this), and there is a legitimate reason why he has taken a step back this year (offseason testicular cancer surgery). So you look at that contract beyond this season and hope that a year after his procedure, he might be able to bounce back and start producing again.
It sure would be nice right now to have a guy like Sillinger or Coronato instead of Boucher.
(no I will not let it go)
(no I will not let it go)
Joshua, Hoglander and Soucy is such an underwhelming return for Norris, but probably accurate considering Norris' injury history.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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The Canucks problem imo is lack of higher end players. This feels like Ottawa would just be swapping positions with them and taking on that identity. Don't see the need for 2 bottom 6 players and an overpaid bottom pairing dman that may not even be justified getting in the lineup over anyone but Hamonic.
Joeyjoejoe
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Trade Norris in a deal for Rantanen, win the cup with Rantanen going beast mode, let him walk in UFA, and use all the capspace to sign more talent to repeat the next season.
frightenedinmatenum2
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I can't see us giving up that package for Rantanen for the same reason Carolina would trade him. We can't afford to give up our 1st with how bad our prospect pool is and us owing the league a pick.
If it's Norris and a few other moving pieces for him that is different, especially if part of the incentive is to get out of the Norris contract.
The reality is that if Carolina trades Rantanen because he wants to test the market, they aren't getting back anything close to Me as, Drury, and a 2nd.
Carolina paid higher than rental prices based on the idea that they were getting him early and had a shot at re-signing him. With him testing the market, they will get a playoff 1st and maybe a roster player or something. Teams don't go nuts for rentals.
Bjornar Moxnes
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Golden_Jet
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Why are we still talking about trading Norris?
The cap jumping massively over the next 3 seasons may not make his contract a steal or even attractive, but he's no longer going to prevent us from making additional quality acquisitions, which was really the only reason to get rid of him.
We dump Norris and we need to find another top 6 forward, which is difficult when we have no expendable assets to trade and generally aren't an attractive destination for UFAs or players with NTCs.
If we can get actual value for him in a trade from a team desperate for a 2nd line center, that's a different story, but I don't expect teams will be willing to give up anything good for him.
The cap jumping massively over the next 3 seasons may not make his contract a steal or even attractive, but he's no longer going to prevent us from making additional quality acquisitions, which was really the only reason to get rid of him.
We dump Norris and we need to find another top 6 forward, which is difficult when we have no expendable assets to trade and generally aren't an attractive destination for UFAs or players with NTCs.
If we can get actual value for him in a trade from a team desperate for a 2nd line center, that's a different story, but I don't expect teams will be willing to give up anything good for him.
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Golden_Jet
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Norris is the better player imo.
Bjornar Moxnes
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We should go after Lukas Reichel instead of Ryan Donato from the Hawks.
22 year old potential top 6 LWer that may be able to be acquired cheaply in a change-of-scenery deal.
Hawks would probably want a young player in return for him. Maybe Halliday would be of interest to them.
22 year old potential top 6 LWer that may be able to be acquired cheaply in a change-of-scenery deal.
Hawks would probably want a young player in return for him. Maybe Halliday would be of interest to them.
I think Reichel has more value to the Hawks than having Halliday in their system. He's young enough to still break out
There is some smoke around Norris and so I do wonder if this happens before the trade deadline. We value center depth and size so we'd have to turn around and grab another center with assets either from the trade or our 3rds from '26.
It'd have to be Boesser coming back, possibly retained, + since he's UFA. I don't even know if we'd keep him or flip him again. Depends on what we want to spend to try and sign him.
ReginKarlssonLehner
Let's Win It All
Norris for Rantanen would be unbelievable.
If Carolina thinking of moving him, we should be absolutely all over it. He's the real deal.
Though if he doesn't re-sign in Carolina, why would he Ottawa.
But yea, there's too much smoke around Norris. Interesting. I do think it's because Staois wants to get bigger down the middle and cause of Norris injury history. But why not try him as winger first? His injuries that bad?
If Carolina thinking of moving him, we should be absolutely all over it. He's the real deal.
Though if he doesn't re-sign in Carolina, why would he Ottawa.
But yea, there's too much smoke around Norris. Interesting. I do think it's because Staois wants to get bigger down the middle and cause of Norris injury history. But why not try him as winger first? His injuries that bad?
frightenedinmatenum2
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I think it's more discussing rumours and speculation than suggesting that trading Norris is exciting.
Most people seem fine with Norris at this point, especially with how his play has picked up and would probably the Senators rather keep him.
If they know something about his shoulder that we don't, I could see why they might want to get out of that contract. He makes a lot of money in real dollars, and while Andlauer clearly is willing to spend, they might not like the idea of 9.5M on an often injured player.
Like I said, I think we try to use his cap to fund fitting 2-3 role players in the lineup. Especially if Soucy's name is one coming up as being available from VAN, and Norris is being speculated as a player that VAN could be interested in. (No one has outright reported Soucy++ for Norris).
Bjornar Moxnes
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Rantanen is obviously not the same person as Elias Lindholm, but Elias Lindholm said how much he disliked playing in a non-traditional market and was ecstatic to play in Calgary and I wouldn't be surprised if it played a role in him signing with the Bruins in free agency (OG 6 competitive team). Obviously when you're on the team you remain silent, but once you're gone, you're more willing to speak the truth.
frightenedinmatenum2
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Boeser+Soucy for Norris makes sense, maybe with another bad or so-so contract coming back and VAN retaining on Boeser's expiring contract if needed. Since I assume Vancouver will want to move out more than Soucy's long-term money to add Norris.
VAN fans on the main board are overrating the value of Boeser. They don't think Boeser for Norris makes sense. As a rental Boeser is worth the typical rental return, a playoff 1st and a B or C prospect or two. I doubt he would re-sign here, but if Pinto returns before the deadline, swapping out Norris for a right handed winger might make us better if Boeser is on his game here.
ReginKarlssonLehner
Let's Win It All
I really do not understand fascination with Boeser. At all.
Before anyone says 40 goals, 73 points.... yea, his linemate was JT Miller who scored 103 points.
And outside of that season, he never hit 30 any other time. AND he is weak defensively. And he is injury-riddled history himself.
No. Thanks.
Ottawa: Rantanen
Vancouver: Norris
Carolina: Boeser + Ottawa 2nd + Lekkerimaki/Soucy
Before anyone says 40 goals, 73 points.... yea, his linemate was JT Miller who scored 103 points.
And outside of that season, he never hit 30 any other time. AND he is weak defensively. And he is injury-riddled history himself.
No. Thanks.
Ottawa: Rantanen
Vancouver: Norris
Carolina: Boeser + Ottawa 2nd + Lekkerimaki/Soucy
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So your response is a fool's dream? I mean injured player for injured player; Boeser would likely be Stutzles line mate. If he can get 40 again on his wing that's found money.
Green would know if he's a defensive liability or not, so if we trade for him then he thinks he can work on him.
