Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[BondraTime]

He doesn't need to do what Highmore does which is not that much anyway, this is a problem with people they have ONE expectation of what the 4th line should be & do & can't seem to imagine something different.

Halliday brings a different game, a more offensive game, Gaudette played on the 4th line & brought some goals & he's not some kind of forechecking dynamo. Ostapchuk is that determined forechecker on that line, but it wouldn't hurt to get Halliday to play more of an up tempo game & playing him on a 4th line with controlled minutes would be a way to start improving his game, his stamina & his conditioning. Ostapchuk also scored goals in the AHL & with Halliday as his centre maybe he gets a few more chances or Gaudette starts to score more again.

What is gained by not bringing up the highest scoring player in Belleville simply because Ott fans on this board don't think he can play here? He needs to show the coaching staff he can be trusted & does all the little things the coaches expect. If he shows that on a bottom line where it doesn't hurt them, then they can decide to give him more responsibility & a chance higher up in the lineup.

The issue with that is his game revolves around slow-tempo. He can't/has never played a high tempo game, which isn't anything new from guys we have had down there like Sokolov. The absolute last thing you want from your 4th line is slow-tempo

His game is slowing the play down and dictating the puck and plays himself, which isn't something that would be working in the NHL in the bottom 6.

 

[aragorn]

When we are healthy Gaudette and Highmore will be out of the lineup.

Tkachuk - Stu - Giroux
Perron - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Amadio
Cousins - Ostapchuk - Gregor
Gaudette

I think if you can add a guy like Donato/Tanev for a late pick you do that and you send Amadio to the 4th line and rotate Gregor in and oout of the lineup with whoever isn’t playing well.

But yea I agree with you we need a forward here. imI don’t think the solution will be found internally.

Gregor is supposed to be back in 10 days or so. I assume he takes Highmore’s spot.

Gaudette has 16 goals, Gregor & Cousins together have 9. I think we would get more offence from a 4th line with Halliday then we are getting now & while forechecking is important having Halliday in the lineup doesn't stop it. Ostapchuk will always be the first guy in as he is now on the forecheck & Gaudette isn't great at it or quick, but he is doing okay & the puck seems to find him. Also not sure how Cousins comes back from knee surgery this late in the season & I'd be surprised if Gregor is re-signed.

Perron has another yr on his contract & I would be surprised if Green moves him out of the top 9 & the same thing applies to Amadio given both have contracts for next season & the lines are doing well with them. I don't know a lot about Donato, but from what I can see this is the first yr he has done this well while Perron & Amadio have a better resume & history in the NHL.

 

[Cosmix]

I don't see Halliday playing anything but a scoring role. I think the odds are stacked against him ever being that in the NHL but you never know.

To me he doesn't have the speed, motor or defensive awareness to do what Highmore (or Jenik or Ostapchuk) can do on the 4th line.

However, I am not a fan of Highmore nor Jenik. I like the grit, size and speed Ostapchuk brings.

 

[aragorn]

The issue with that is his game revolves around slow-tempo. He can't/has never played a high tempo game, which isn't anything new from guys we have had down there like Sokolov. The absolute last thing you want from your 4th line is slow-tempo

His game is slowing the play down and dictating the puck and plays himself, which isn't something that would be working in the NHL in the bottom 6.

What are you going to do with him? If they can't use him in Ott then he should be an asset they are dangling for the trade deadline to improve a position. People are stuck on the idea that the 4th line has to play a certain way & that is not true at all, the players on your roster determine how the 4th line plays or management goes out & gets the players they want to play the way they want.

I understand the rational for Halliday to play higher up in the lineup, however, their are guys ahead of him like Perron & Amadio with an establish resume & history in this league that the coach won't replace with a rookie with no NHL experience, you know this. Stats watchers look at Perron & want him replaced not knowing his history in the NHL & how much offence he is capable of even at his age today. It takes rookies a while to get up to speed. Look at our players & how long it took for these guys to start playing the way they are now, it takes time. IMO they should either give Halliday a shot especially now while he is doing well or look to improve a position by using him as a trade piece while his value is high, if he doesn't have a future here.

 

[BondraTime]

What are you going to do with him? If they can't use him in Ott then he should be an asset they are dangling for the trade deadline to improve a position. People are stuck on the idea that the 4th line has to play a certain way & that is not true at all, the players on your roster determine how the 4th line plays or management goes out & gets the players they want to play the way they want.

I understand the rational for Halliday to play higher up in the lineup, however, their are guys ahead of him like Perron & Amadio with an establish resume & history in this league that the coach won't replace with a rookie with no NHL experience, you know this. Stats watchers look at Perron & want him replaced not knowing his history in the NHL & how much offence he is capable of even at his age today. It takes rookies a while to get up to speed. Look at our players & how long it took for these guys to start playing the way they are now, it takes time. IMO they should either give Halliday a shot especially now while he is doing well or look to improve a position by using him as a trade piece while his value is high, if he doesn't have a future here.

Therein lies the issue.

There are so many guys who do very well in the AHL, who have little/no value to NHL teams.

Sokolov, Abramov, Crookshank, etc. These guys don't have the skillsets to be effective in the roles they need to occupy in the NHL

Is Halliday one of those guys? The jury is out, but his profile definitely fits the archetype of a very strong AHLer who can't find a place in the NHL full time, and his value as a trade piece is very likely no higher than Sokolv's was, which was nothing.

He's doing very well statistically in the AHL, but watching how he's doing it doesn't lead me much confidence in it translating in the NHL.

 

[aragorn]

Therein lies the issue.

There are so many guys who do very well in the AHL, who have little/no value to NHL teams.

Sokolov, Abramov, Crookshank, etc. These guys don't have the skillsets to be effective in the roles they need to occupy in the NHL

Is Halliday one of those guys? The jury is out, but his profile definitely fits the archetype of a very strong AHLer who can't find a place in the NHL full time, and his value as a trade piece is very likely no higher than Sokolv's was, which was nothing.

He's doing very well statistically in the AHL, but watching how he's doing it doesn't lead me much confidence in it translating in the NHL.

From what I understand, the majority of goals scored in the NHL is less than 8' from the net. Listening to former players the importance of having a big body in front of the net is crucial today because goalies are so good. Having a big body in front of the net who has the skillset to make plays & score goals is also important. This board IMO is fixated on speed & skill when most goals are ugly goals scored in front of the net. Halliday is a centre a more important position than some of the guys you mentioned.

He may not have the skating & skillset required for the NHL or what the Sens need now, I didn't think much of him the first time I saw him at the development camp, but this past development camp he was a completely different player & faster than people think. Also not sure if management thinks this is the yr to go for it & trade away one of their better assets & may just wait another yr & just go for a cheap option. We'll see what they do with Halliday but at the least he deserves a callup at some point.

 

[BondraTime]

From what I understand, the majority of goals scored in the NHL is less than 8' from the net. Listening to former players the importance of having a big body in front of the net is crucial today because goalies are so good. Having a big body in front of the net who has the skillset to make plays & score goals is also important. This board IMO is fixated on speed & skill when most goals are ugly goals scored in front of the net. Halliday is a centre a more important position than some of the guys you mentioned.

He may not have the skating & skillset required for the NHL or what the Sens need now, I didn't think much of him the first time I saw him at the development camp, but this past development camp he was a completely different player & faster than people think. Also not sure if management thinks this is the yr to go for it & trade away one of their better assets & may just wait another yr & just go for a cheap option. We'll see what they do with Halliday but at the least he deserves a callup at some point.

Being a center likely plays against him with his skillset, there are not many poor defenisve, poor skating C's in the league. They are nearly non existent, and in order to make up for the you need to be incredible offensively.

If you're poor skating or poor defenisvely, being a winger is much better for your chances of finding a spot in the NHL.

Big bodied players are very nice in front of the net, but that's not the type of game Halliday plays.

He's a big, playmaking guy who dictates what's happening in the offensive zone. He's not a guy you stick in front of the net to battle.

I'm all for giving him a callup, but I don't see where he'd fit in anywhere in the lineup

 

[Golden_Jet]

Therein lies the issue.

There are so many guys who do very well in the AHL, who have little/no value to NHL teams.

Sokolov, Abramov, Crookshank, etc. These guys don't have the skillsets to be effective in the roles they need to occupy in the NHL

Is Halliday one of those guys? The jury is out, but his profile definitely fits the archetype of a very strong AHLer who can't find a place in the NHL full time, and his value as a trade piece is very likely no higher than Sokolv's was, which was nothing.

He's doing very well statistically in the AHL, but watching how he's doing it doesn't lead me much confidence in it translating in the NHL.

He will need to get a few games sometime, to see what he can do at NHL level, before considering any trades.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Asking to see Halliday step in and contribute effectively to the team defense we have shown without missing a beat is one thing; asking for that AND playoff contribution is something else entirely.

Let's pace our damn selves. We might have something special here with Halliday. Absolutely give him a cup of tea in the NHL on the next injury; but let the guy go through the motions the right way. Have him part of the black aces and if necessary, sure. Like we did with Mark Stone in 2011/2012. I foresee this guy having yet another 70/30 or 60/40 season split in the AHL/NHL next year.

The year after that he's playing with legit spot on the team for a chance at ROY.

I think Norris slides over as LW on either Pinto or Stutzle's line and we run Stutzle/Pinto/Halliday. IFFFF Halliday continues his progression.

TL;DR we need an actual proven playoff asset added to give this team a notable boost to win a round. Can't rely on a prospect on a team that still has almost zero playoff experience with its core as is.

Probably won't happen but I'd love to sign Ehlers or Boeser in the offseason.

I think it's mandatory. I think we undoubtedly obtain a bonafide top 6 player in free agency or, much more likely, through trade.

Due to assets/cap space, I see us targeting the likes of:

Benn
Zucker (ufa)
Bjorkstrand
Teravainen
Marchessault
Rakell
Rust
Toffoli

I personally think we should target either Marchessault or Bjorkstrand. Very high IQ players who do everything. In the case of Marchessault he is one of the most consistent, tenacious and underrated players. 5'9 but plays 6'5. Would be a wonder for Stutzle or our high giddy players who need someone to slow things down. What we going to trade for him? God only knows, brothers.

I also want to see us bring Connor Brown back home.

Tkachuk-Stutzle-Marchessault
Norris-Pinto-Batherson
Giroux-Greig-Brown
Cousins-Ostapchuk-Amadio

 

[GCK]

Halliday may not be the perfect fit for the bottom 6, but he shouldn't need to be. There's a hole in our top 6 beside Norris and Batherson that Perron clearly is not capable of filling at his age.

It would be smart for Green to give Halliday a tryout in that kind of role before pulling the trigger on a deadline acquisition like Donato.

Not sure what more Halliday needs to do to get a callup. He's been one of the best offensive players in the AHL in the last 20+ games.

Perron isn’t perfect but he can definitely play with Norris and Batherson. He is great on the wall, goes to the “dirty” areas and makes smart plays. He wouldn’t work on a DJ Smith Sens team that relied on rush chances.

Can't see him having much success at the NHL in any role with the way hisn .

Doesn't fit a bottom 6 role, and I can't see his slow down the play game panning out in the NHL.

He's not going to be getting 4 minutes of PP time, and I don't think he's able to keep up with play in the top 6. He is making plays in the AHL happen by controling the play, slowing things down, and dictating the plays himself. He can't do that in the Sens top 6.

Would love, LOVE, to be wrong

100% agree. I want him to blow up the AHL and be someone who has trade value.