Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Gil Gunderson]

I agree.

I'm just not sure what we have to add to Norris to get Pettersson. I wouldn't trade a 1st or Yak either.

I’d add this year’s 1st pretty easily.

That’s overpayment.
Shouldn’t have to add too much to Norris. He might actually be the better all round player going forward.

Pettersson is a Selke-calibre centre who puts up 80-90 points. Does nobody think he’s getting a tad underrated? Norris isn’t even in the same realm as EP.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Pettersson is a Selke-calibre centre who puts up 80-90 points. Does nobody think he’s getting a tad underrated? Norris isn’t even in the same realm as EP.

Ya, I like Norris, but EP is a different level of offensive talent. 1st line vs 2nd line type difference imo.

 

[Icelevel]

I’d add this year’s 1st pretty easily.


Pettersson is a Selke-calibre centre who puts up 80-90 points. Does nobody think he’s getting a tad underrated? Norris isn’t even in the same realm as EP.

How can you say he’s not in the same realm when he’s got 17 goals coming off an injury and Pettersson is at 11?
You might be underestimating norris’ defensive and physical game too.
I think they’re not too far off overall.
I’ll take Pettersson over Norris though sure.
Norris at full health could be a 65-75 point defensively responsible center.
That’s in the realm.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

How can you say he’s not in the same realm when he’s got 17 goals coming off an injury and Pettersson is at 11?
You might be underestimating norris’ defensive and physical game too.
I think they’re not too far off overall.
I’ll take Pettersson over Norris though sure.
Norris at full health could be a 65-75 point defensively responsible center.
That’s in the realm.

I think you need to a bigger sample size than the 40 games EP has played this year, unless you also think Brady is just a 60 point winger and Stutzle isn’t a PP centre.

 

[Boud]

How can you say he’s not in the same realm when he’s got 17 goals coming off an injury and Pettersson is at 11?
You might be underestimating norris’ defensive and physical game too.
I think they’re not too far off overall.
I’ll take Pettersson over Norris though sure.
Norris at full health could be a 65-75 point defensively responsible center.
That’s in the realm.

I don’t see this trade as being something Vancouver would really consider but to me the injury history with Norris is the real concern here.

If he had produced 3 60ish point seasons and we would offer him with some other pieces I think Vancouver might consider that because Norris is still young and locked up for multiple years. Now you have a player who hasn’t played much in recent years and that’s looked, understandably, up and down when in the lineup.

If Norris had been fully healthy, I think it would’ve been difficult for Vancouver to find a player that’s a top 6 center, trusted defensively, can put up 30ish goals, is fast and etc. At this stage though I think that’s something Vancouver looks at consider it too much of a risk.

Probably if we added a guy like Jensen or Zub they would really look at it but with the rarity of good RD in this league and how long it took us to get the right players here and I don’t think you want to do that if you’re Staios.

I don’t know … to me the fit just isn’t there right now. Maybe towards the offseason that could be explored but right now I don’t see it for us.

 

[HSF]

I wouldn't be surprised if Pettersson is better than Stutzle. I don't think there is a chance that norris is better than Stuztle.

If you can get Pettey you will have two star centers. Perfect buy low chance. Let see if Staois has the balls to make this his team

 

[HSF]

How did it go with Chara when the Sens traded his best friend on the team Hossa?

If Tkachuk walks for trading Norris then thats on him imo. If you can lock in both stuztle and pettersson down the middle that is a massive massive move for the present and future.

Something tells me Tkachuk growing up in an NHL households understands the business of the game. Also Norris has not been avaliable so can't fault the sens for trying to move on he's a very unreliable asset for how much he makes

 

[Cosmix]

I’d add this year’s 1st pretty easily.


Pettersson is a Selke-calibre centre who puts up 80-90 points. Does nobody think he’s getting a tad underrated? Norris isn’t even in the same realm as EP.

A mid first round pick plus Norris seems about right but I don't want to give up a first in 2025 and also lose the first round pick in 2026. But Patterson would fit in great with Stutzle and him playing C on the 1st and 2nd lines.

Anyone know what the "trouble" is in Vancouver between Miller and Pettersson?

 

[Bileur]

I certainly get the interest. Such a move would pretty much vault us into contention.

That said, I can’t imagine the canucks being interested in a deal with Norris as the centrepiece.

We don’t have the pieces to make a Pettersson deal work unfortunately.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Norris
Greig
Docker

For Petersson.
Lineup looks pretty F’ing good to me.

Tkachuk Stutzle
Petersson Batherson
Pinto
Ostapchuk

 

[aragorn]

If Tkachuk walks for trading Norris then thats on him imo. If you can lock in both stuztle and pettersson down the middle that is a massive massive move for the present and future.

Something tells me Tkachuk growing up in an NHL households understands the business of the game. Also Norris has not been avaliable so can't fault the sens for trying to move on he's a very unreliable asset for how much he makes

I think Tkachuk would honour his contract, but after that who knows & if he leaves we would return to being a very soft team especially with those two at centre. People forget but Timmy is close with Norris too & Norris is not that far removed from being a 30 goal scorer, he could very easily get back to that as he gets more healthy. We should not give up on these young good players so quickly.

Look at the Leafs with Marner & Mathews & how soft they are & can't make it out of the Eastern Conference. I've said it for yrs, they are a regular season team not a playoff team. We are developing a pretty good playoff team here why screw with that?

Isn't the whole problem between Pettersson & Miller because Pettersson is soft & lacks intensity? Why would we want another problem child in the room? There is a reason Van is willing to move Pettersson over Miller. IMO if we lose Norris, then we eventually lose Tkachuk & Sanderson & maybe Tim & the whole thing falls apart. I wonder who Green would prefer between Pettersson, Miller & Boeser?

 

[Blotto71]

So Norris plus a second round pick? Maybe they might like whatshisname.

Boucher? Don't know if I'd want to give up Norris and a former 10th OA...

I think Tkachuk would honour his contract, but after that who knows & if he leaves we would return to being a very soft team especially with those two at centre. People forget but Timmy is close with Norris too & Norris is not that far removed from being a 30 goal scorer, he could very easily get back to that as he gets more healthy. We should not give up on these young good players so quickly.

Look at the Leafs with Marner & Mathews & how soft they are & can't make it out of the Eastern Conference. I've said it for yrs, they are a regular season team not a playoff team. We are developing a pretty good playoff team here why screw with that?

Isn't the whole problem between Pettersson & Miller because Pettersson is soft & lacks intensity? Why would we want another problem child in the room? There is a reason Van is willing to move Pettersson over Miller. IMO if we lose Norris, then we eventually lose Tkachuk & Sanderson & maybe Tim & the whole thing falls apart. I wonder who Green would prefer between Pettersson, Miller & Boeser?

Maybe Pettersson misses Green and would be more apt to buy-in with Green. Green and Tochet appear to have very different coaching styles.

 

[aragorn]

Boucher? Don't know if I'd want to give up Norris and a former 10th OA...


Maybe Pettersson misses Green and would be more apt to buy-in with Green. Green and Tochet appear to have very different coaching styles.

Geez, wasn't Tocchet last yr being called some great coach that a number of people on this board were wishing we had? Tocchet is a hard nosed no nonsense coach, does Pettersson need to be coddled?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Boucher? Don't know if I'd want to give up Norris and a former 10th OA...


Maybe Pettersson misses Green and would be more apt to buy-in with Green. Green and Tochet appear to have very different coaching styles.

They actually have very similar coaching styles..

 

[Golden_Jet]

Green and Tochet appear to have very different coaching styles.

I find them with similar styles tbh,
What makes the styles very different ?

 

[Dionysus]

I find them with similar styles tbh,
What makes the styles very different ?

Yeah both coaches have mentioned they coach a similar style of play.

 

[aragorn]

Playing well defensively is the key to winning hockey games.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

How can you say he’s not in the same realm when he’s got 17 goals coming off an injury and Pettersson is at 11?
You might be underestimating norris’ defensive and physical game too.
I think they’re not too far off overall.
I’ll take Pettersson over Norris though sure.
Norris at full health could be a 65-75 point defensively responsible center.
That’s in the realm.

You're comparing Norris's best season in 3 years to Pettersson's worst season since he entered the league.

Norris's career PPG 0.64 | 30 Goal -53 point pace.
Pettersson's career PPG 0.98 | 32 goals - 80 point pace.

Petersson's peak is 102 points while Norris's is 55 points.

Not to mention health and availability.

Despite only being a year older Pettersson has played almost 2x amount of NHL games as Norris (231 vs 450). Pettersson only has 1 season where he played less than 68 games a year, where Norris has yet to play more than 66 games a season.

I love Norris as the next guy but I would have no hesitation to ship him out for Petey, he's on another level in terms of talent level and production, he's more on the Stutzle level than the Norris one.

I have no concerns about his recent dip in production as its clear that its the environment around him having an effect on his play, and this is another Eichel situation where the player will produce back to normal pace when he's out of that toxic environment. Dude has had 6 seasons of straight elite PPG production, he hasn't suddenly lost it to an injury or forgot how to play.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I don't think Norris as the base of the return should be written off. Obviously injury concerns, but Van may see him as a piece they can work with. Health concerns aside, I think he's a better piece than Chytil who iirc was rumored to be in the deal that fell apart for Miller. Obviously would need some adds, but maybe they could be interested.

 

[Icelevel]

You're comparing Norris's best season in 3 years to Pettersson's worst season since he entered the league.

Norris's career PPG 0.64 | 30 Goal -53 point pace.
Pettersson's career PPG 0.98 | 32 goals - 80 point pace.

Petersson's peak is 102 points while Norris's is 55 points.

Not to mention health and availability.

Despite only being a year older Pettersson has played almost 2x amount of NHL games as Norris (231 vs 450). Pettersson only has 1 season where he played less than 68 games a year, where Norris has yet to play more than 66 games a season.

I love Norris as the next guy but I would have no hesitation to ship him out for Petey, he's on another level in terms of talent level and production, he's more on the Stutzle level than the Norris one.

I have no concerns about his recent dip in production as its clear that its the environment around him having an effect on his play, and this is another Eichel situation where the player will produce back to normal pace when he's out of that toxic environment. Dude has had 6 seasons of straight elite PPG production, he hasn't suddenly lost it to an injury or forgot how to play.

I’m just comparing them as they are today and considering what they can turn into if healthy. I’m saying they may be comparable in their overall game including physicality and two way play.

I get what you’re saying. And I’ve agreed I’d rather have Pettersson but the difference between them is not yakemchuk. Which is how this started.
Moving on….

 

[bicboi64]

The best we can do is Norris, Amadio (for the cap), a top 10 protected first, and a player like JBD that has value for them down the road under the assumption that he'll bounce back from his injury. Unless of course Alvin thinks Tyler Boucher is a positive asset.

 

[TheNewEra]

Playing well defensively is the key to winning hockey games.

i agree, if we can get a slight injection of offense we can really make a run

besides the fans who obviously want an addition i feel like the management owes it to this core (especially the older players) to try for an addition. Specifically Brady and Chabot

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

I’m just comparing them as they are today and considering what they can turn into if healthy. I’m saying they may be comparable in their overall game including physicality and two way play.

I get what you’re saying. And I’ve agreed I’d rather have Pettersson but the difference between them is not yakemchuk. Which is how this started.
Moving on….

Yeah I am definitely not adding Yak attack to that trade package.

Give them Norris, top 10 protect 1st and Boucher lol.

 

[Micklebot]

You're comparing Norris's best season in 3 years to Pettersson's worst season since he entered the league.

Norris's career PPG 0.64 | 30 Goal -53 point pace.
Pettersson's career PPG 0.98 | 32 goals - 80 point pace.

Petersson's peak is 102 points while Norris's is 55 points.

Not to mention health and availability.

Despite only being a year older Pettersson has played almost 2x amount of NHL games as Norris (231 vs 450). Pettersson only has 1 season where he played less than 68 games a year, where Norris has yet to play more than 66 games a season.

I love Norris as the next guy but I would have no hesitation to ship him out for Petey, he's on another level in terms of talent level and production, he's more on the Stutzle level than the Norris one.

I have no concerns about his recent dip in production as its clear that its the environment around him having an effect on his play, and this is another Eichel situation where the player will produce back to normal pace when he's out of that toxic environment. Dude has had 6 seasons of straight elite PPG production, he hasn't suddenly lost it to an injury or forgot how to play.

Even if you look at best case, I don't see how Pettersson wouldn't be the clear better player,

If Norris is fully back from the shoulder, he might be a 70-75 pts 35-40 goal guy who plays both sides of the puck.

Pettersson is having a bad year and is still pacing at 20 goals and 60 pts.

Where I might be a bit concerned is the cap hit. You're looking at 7 more years at 11.6. For that kind of money, you need to be a point per game minimum. I'm nor sure if that's the player I'm willing to take the risk on personally, I personally don't get the "takes over games" sense from him when I watch. Hughes is the guy on that team that stirs the drink imo.

 

[GCK]

Yeah I am definitely not adding Yak attack to that trade package.

Give them Norris, top 10 protect 1st and Boucher lol.

Not enough