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Carolina got turned down and you saw what they paid for a rental.
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I think the blackhawks should be in on Pettersson.
They have 2 1sts and 2 2nds in 2025, 3 2nds in 2026
Prospects
Levshunov, Nazar, Moore, +++
moving for cap reasons a few options Teravainen 5.4 (MNTC) , Bertuzzi 5.5 (MNTC) , Dickinson 4.25
NMC kicks in next year
Taking on cap from Rantanen 4.625 could be an issue
They have 2 1sts and 2 2nds in 2025, 3 2nds in 2026
Prospects
Levshunov, Nazar, Moore, +++
moving for cap reasons a few options Teravainen 5.4 (MNTC) , Bertuzzi 5.5 (MNTC) , Dickinson 4.25
NMC kicks in next year
Taking on cap from Rantanen 4.625 could be an issue
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I wonder if they'd move Jones to make it happen. He's lost a lot of shine, but I think he's better than popular opinion.
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100%
it could just be my view of it but vancouver seems to think they have leverage at the moment. Kind of hard to put the genie back in the bottle. It is kind of like with the rangers where ill give Drury props for getting anything for trouba but then he also got garbage for kakko. Vancouver may eventually speed up the need for a move if they keep slipping and playoffs are still a goal.
Round about way of saying if they are going to act short sighted or not. They could always pull a sakic and tell the players to stuff it and wait for the right offer. Just depends on the gm. The reports make it seem like vancouver is operating on its own clock to resolve it.
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I am not sure that Carolina got turned down for Pettersson.
It sounds more like they had the pieces to get him, but preferred Rantanen. It looks like Vancouver lost leverage via a serious trading partner going somewhere else.
Rantanen is technically a rental, but I think they know that they have a good shot of re-signing him. They have lots of cap space and flexibility, and all their other young stars are locked in for 5+ seasons. In a worst case scenario where he wants Draisaitl money, they could absolutely do it cap wise - it would just come down to whether Tom Dundon wants to spend the real dollars. Which all signs indicate, he is fine with spending.
At the end of the day, Vancouver doesn't have to move Pettersson for a soft return because they can move Miller instead. So I wouldn't get my hopes up that someone is going to get him for a song if Necas+Kotkaniemi+ was the previous package.
It sounds more like they had the pieces to get him, but preferred Rantanen. It looks like Vancouver lost leverage via a serious trading partner going somewhere else.
Rantanen is technically a rental, but I think they know that they have a good shot of re-signing him. They have lots of cap space and flexibility, and all their other young stars are locked in for 5+ seasons. In a worst case scenario where he wants Draisaitl money, they could absolutely do it cap wise - it would just come down to whether Tom Dundon wants to spend the real dollars. Which all signs indicate, he is fine with spending.
At the end of the day, Vancouver doesn't have to move Pettersson for a soft return because they can move Miller instead. So I wouldn't get my hopes up that someone is going to get him for a song if Necas+Kotkaniemi+ was the previous package.
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Not sure how much cap space the Sens have to play with but here are some potential trade deadline options. They are either on expiring deals or only have a few years left under contract:
CHI: Nick Foligno (1YR), Pat Maroon, Craig Smith
NSH: Ryan O'Reilly (2YR), Michael McCarron (1YR), Luke Schenn (1YR)
ANA: Brett Leason, Jacob Trouba (1YR), Radko Gudas (1YR)
SEA: Yanni Gourde, Brandon Tanev, Jamie Oleksiak (1YR)
CGY: Blake Coleman (2YR), Anthony Mantha
BUF: Alex Tuch (1YR), Jordan Greenway
PIT: Michael Bunting (1YR)
NYI: Anders Lee (1YR)
CBJ: Boone Jenner (1YR), Mathieu Olivier, Erik Gudbranson (1YR)
CHI: Nick Foligno (1YR), Pat Maroon, Craig Smith
NSH: Ryan O'Reilly (2YR), Michael McCarron (1YR), Luke Schenn (1YR)
ANA: Brett Leason, Jacob Trouba (1YR), Radko Gudas (1YR)
SEA: Yanni Gourde, Brandon Tanev, Jamie Oleksiak (1YR)
CGY: Blake Coleman (2YR), Anthony Mantha
BUF: Alex Tuch (1YR), Jordan Greenway
PIT: Michael Bunting (1YR)
NYI: Anders Lee (1YR)
CBJ: Boone Jenner (1YR), Mathieu Olivier, Erik Gudbranson (1YR)
We don't know the inside of what the issues are with Miller and Pettey. Miller has been a constant in also having issues with teammates. Was Luke Schenn about to fight him aswell? My point is we actually don't know what the issues are. We do have a coach who has coached both those guys so if they are in on Pettersson he would be the guy who knows about how intense they are. I wouldn't worry about that part
if you want toughness then build with Tkachuk and add another guy. Toronto is a poor example since they have nothing like Tkachuk and they don't have a sanderson and a chabot. Also their goaltending is no where near what Ullmark is.
At the end of the day if Tkachuk wants to be on a winning team which is what fans have been speculating then trying to improve it by upgrading Norris is the way to go.
Current rumour is van rather mover miller but the offers are ass so they are exploring Petersson. I think it was fairly clear Miller is their first choice to move if the offer is fair
Do they? Tochett calls players out in the media, Green comes across as a more supportive and patient. The system they coach may be similar, I've not watched enough of Vancouver to know - didn't see it in the 2 periods I watched Saturday.
Edit: I should clarify that I'm not in favour of obtaining Pettersson.
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Miller seems to be a guy that gets on teammates quick and intensely if they make a mistake.
Not sure the relationship between Brady or Stutzle would be particularly cozy either.
Pierre Lebrun was on Overdrive yesterday and was pretty clear that the Canes had a deal in place for Pettersson, but chose to go the Rantanen route.
Not surprising, Rantanen is a much better player and a proven playoff performer (101 points in 81 playoff games). Pettersson is a huge wildcard. He might go somewhere an wilt and then you're stuck with an albatross contract. That won't happen with Rantanen.
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We have about 1 mil in cap space with everyone healthy and an 22 man roster, not taking into account any additional room we got from accumulating since that would be negligible due to the amount of time we were getting LTIR relief.
So, lets say JBD is traded (I suppose LTIR is also an option) and we send Ostapchuk or Gaudette down once everyone is healthy to bring us to a 20 man roster:
Tkachuk-Stu-Giroux
Greig-Pinto-Bath
Cousins-Norris-Perron
Gregor-Ostap/Gaud-Amadio
Sandy-Zub
Chabot-Jens
Kleven-Hammer
Ullmark
Forsberg
That leaves us with ~2.6 mil in space to add a 21st roster player
If we move out a player, be it Amadio, Cousins, or Ostapchuk it opens more space, lets assume Ostapchuk/Gaud is sent down, which would bring us to ~3.375 as a max for our target(s).
If we were to send out Forsberg in a trade with nothing coming back that would go up to ~5.3
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It has to be at least a little concerning to see a high priced guy like Huberdeau or Gaudreau (RIP) fall off a cliff after leaving a place where they found success.
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Nobody has acquired him because everyone is probably low balling Vancouver,
People talked about how Eichel was a bad egg before he thrived with VGK,
O'Reilly was chasing money when Col moved on from him, but he was a big part of StL's cup.
I don't think Kane ruined the locker room in SJ or Edm,
Idk whether or not Miller is actually a problem, maybe, maybe not. Teams will have to do their due diligence on this one.
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I think there is some smoke on Miller being an issue and how he would fit in with another group.
This seems different than Eichel grumbling and O'Reilly .. they were not in personal conflicts with important players on the team .. They were or seemed to be unhappy with where they were... not the same situations. For a more granular argument please contact Jimmy directly he would have his reasons for the tweet.
That globe and mail interview with Rurtherford had one interesting quote:
“So yeah, if a centre goes out of here we have to get some kind of centre back but it’s not going to be the same as the centre going out. It might not even be a No. 2 centre, but you’d have to do the best with what we have until we figure out how to fill that spot back in."
Based on that response you'd have to think that Josh Norris as the main trade piece would be at least of some interest to Vancouver.
“So yeah, if a centre goes out of here we have to get some kind of centre back but it’s not going to be the same as the centre going out. It might not even be a No. 2 centre, but you’d have to do the best with what we have until we figure out how to fill that spot back in."
Based on that response you'd have to think that Josh Norris as the main trade piece would be at least of some interest to Vancouver.
What would we rather have next year:
a) Norris + Bjorkstrand = 13.35M
b) Pettersson + 1.5M winger = 13.1M
I'd take (a), and the + you'd have to add to Norris probably gets you someone like Bjorkstrand.
That 11.6M salary is something I wouldn't touch.
a) Norris + Bjorkstrand = 13.35M
b) Pettersson + 1.5M winger = 13.1M
I'd take (a), and the + you'd have to add to Norris probably gets you someone like Bjorkstrand.
That 11.6M salary is something I wouldn't touch.
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Eichel is a bit of a different case. His unhappiness was more with Buffalo management + ownership and being stuck on a perennial cellar dweller that was being grossly mismanaged. Kind of fair.
Miller is on a team that had 109 points last year, has a good coach and GM, and a pretty strong roster with a chance at contending (or at least winning a round or two). Yet he's still apparently unhappy to the point of it being toxic.
With another year left at $4.5m and a 12-team NTC in place, this would be a fairly tricky acquisition, but player wise; could Saad be an option as top-6 LW?
No we already have David Perron.
