Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[aragorn]

I agree about Forsberg, Hamonic and Highmore but Cousins, and Gaudette might be signed again if we cannot sign someone better at $1M or less.


No one I know!

They might, but they might also be replaced internally.

Ostapchuk is likely going to take a C or LW spot for next yr & Giroux will likely get re-signed.. They have Perron & Amadio signed for next season so they get spots, the defence is possibly set for next yr with Yakemchuk in the mix. Then there is the possibility that Halliday could push for a bottom six spot next yr too, given he is leading Belleville in scoring this yr. And MacEwan is will still be around for next season. They could also find someone in free agency to fill a void like Olivier RW enforcer given MacEwan can't seem to stick in the lineup.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
Perron - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Amadio
Ostapchuk - Halliday - MacEwan

All at once or one at a time? And one of those things is not like the others.

Just as I thought ... nothing!

 

[Loach]

They might, but they might also be replaced internally.

Ostapchuk is likely going to take a C or LW spot for next yr & Giroux will likely get re-signed.. They have Perron & Amadio signed for next season so they get spots, the defence is possibly set for next yr with Yakemchuk in the mix. Then there is the possibility that Halliday could push for a bottom six spot next yr too, given he is leading Belleville in scoring this yr. And MacEwan is will still be around for next season. They could also find someone in free agency to fill a void like Olivier RW enforcer given MacEwan can't seem to stick in the lineup.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
Perron - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Amadio
Ostapchuk - Halliday - MacEwan


Just as I thought ... nothing!

Kastelic sucks, Rempe is an AHLr, Reaves is washed, Wilson and Crouse are like Brady and are better on the ice than in the box. Zadorov is just dirty. That leaves Olivier..and if you go and get him then what? What is he going to do? Fight himself? You see hockey and things that happen in the game. Like "The coach trusts Norris, he gets alot of defensive faceoffs." But then follow it up with "That means Stu should be on the wing." What the actual fck? How did you get there? That's like first year philosophy where arguments get broke down into math equations to prove the ridiculous. Goats eat grass. Cows eat grass. Therefore Cows are Goats. That ain't true. We all know you're the Goat.

 

[aragorn]

Kastelic sucks, Rempe is an AHLr, Reaves is washed, Wilson and Crouse are like Brady and are better on the ice than in the box. Zadorov is just dirty. That leaves Olivier..and if you go and get him then what? What is he going to do? Fight himself? You see hockey and things that happen in the game. Like "The coach trusts Norris, he gets alot of defensive faceoffs." But then follow it up with "That means Stu should be on the wing." What the actual fck? How did you get there? That's like first year philosophy where arguments get broke down into math equations to prove the ridiculous. Goats eat grass. Cows eat grass. Therefore Cows are Goats. That ain't true. We all know you're the Goat.

Are you alright? You seem to have lost your mind. These guys are still in the NHL, teams & players still have to deal with them & if we don't have someone to deal with them then someone else like Brady will need to deal with them & we can't afford to have a good player deal with that especially in a playoff scenario. You may not like it but it is a fact still in the NHL.

IMO we have better defensive centres & Stu would be just as creative on the wing without the responsibilities in the middle. I could care less if he stays in the middle, I prefer him on the wing & that bothers you. Good.

 

[Loach]

Are you alright? You seem to have lost your mind. These guys are still in the NHL, teams & players still have to deal with them & if we don't have someone to deal with them then someone else like Brady will need to deal with them & we can't afford to have a good player deal with that especially in a playoff scenario. You may not like it but it is a fact still in the NHL.

IMO we have better defensive centres & Stu would be just as creative on the wing without the responsibilities in the middle. I could care less if he stays in the middle, I prefer him on the wing & that bothers you. Good.

He can play north south and east west. You limit his abilities by putting him on the wing. If anything, you put Norris on his wing to help with faceoffs and run Pinto.
Brady - Pinto - Bath....worked nicely last year when JM was coach.
Norris - Stu - G ...flip G and Norris if you want.
Perron - Grieg - Amadio...Grieg works better at center.
Cousins - Ostapchuk - the guy you want

If Ostapchuk can play the wing in the future, him and Grieg could be interesting with a burner on the line.

The problem Ottawa has is breaking out the puck cleanly. Stu can break out from anywhere. Chabot can...from the hash marks up.....and Pinto. He can do it. Stu and Pinto should be 1 and 2. As much we all love Brady, Norris and Bath...they don't break the puck out. They transport, if that. Brady can keep it bellow hash marks no doubt. Norris covers for the back check. Bath could be more effective at everything...he runs hot and cold...has the tools to be so much. That's why he is a nice complimentary piece. A piece...he shouldn't be expected to do more at this point. He has to play with a line driver. We can get into the definition of what type of players drive lines and what line another day. Is that enough nothing for ya? Or you still want to pay Olivier 4 × 5 to play on the fourth/third line because Rempe? Sorry I didn't put LD, RW, C or whatever by every player. I people would get it.

 

[aragorn]

He can play north south and east west. You limit his abilities by putting him on the wing. If anything, you put Norris on his wing to help with faceoffs and run Pinto.
Brady - Pinto - Bath....worked nicely last year when JM was coach.
Norris - Stu - G ...flip G and Norris if you want.
Perron - Grieg - Amadio...Grieg works better at center.
Cousins - Ostapchuk - the guy you want

If Ostapchuk can play the wing in the future, him and Grieg could be interesting with a burner on the line.

The problem Ottawa has is breaking out the puck cleanly. Stu can break out from anywhere. Chabot can...from the hash marks up.....and Pinto. He can do it. Stu and Pinto should be 1 and 2. As much we all love Brady, Norris and Bath...they don't break the puck out. They transport, if that. Brady can keep it bellow hash marks no doubt. Norris covers for the back check. Bath could be more effective at everything...he runs hot and cold...has the tools to be so much. That's why he is a nice complimentary piece. A piece...he shouldn't be expected to do more at this point. He has to play with a line driver. We can get into the definition of what type of players drive lines and what line another day. Is that enough nothing for ya? Or you still want to pay Olivier 4 × 5 to play on the fourth/third line because Rempe? Sorry I didn't put LD, RW, C or whatever by every player. I people would get it.

Good Post.

 

[Tragedy]

Are you alright? You seem to have lost your mind. These guys are still in the NHL, teams & players still have to deal with them & if we don't have someone to deal with them then someone else like Brady will need to deal with them & we can't afford to have a good player deal with that especially in a playoff scenario. You may not like it but it is a fact still in the NHL.

IMO we have better defensive centres & Stu would be just as creative on the wing without the responsibilities in the middle. I could care less if he stays in the middle, I prefer him on the wing & that bothers you. Good.

I'm curious what your idea of "dealing with" these players is. It's been proven a million times having a brute on your team doesn't deter anything so I'm curious what you think having one of these players provides the team. Like literally the only benefit is if someone throws a dangerous hit that a useless player can go sit in the box for 5 minutes instead of Brady. I'm personally of the mind that the team is just overall better if you have NHL players who can play hockey instead of a plug who gets 4 minutes a game but can sometimes sit in the box

 

[HoweHullOrr]

I don't see the value in a guy that "can" score 20 goals while playing 60% of the season stapled to your teams best playmaker... I would HOPE we expect more out of a "goal-scorer" playing with Timmy.

Didn’t Gaudette got a lot of his goals this year while he was on the 4th line? I agree that we’d want a better player to play with Stutzle though. I’m just not sure that Gaudette got 60% of his goals while on Stutzle’s line. More recently (January), most of our forwards including Gaudette have been on a bit of a drought.

BTW, I’m not pumping Gaudette’s tires here just in case someone is prone to that misinterpretation. IF he gets a contract, it would be something like the contract he has now.

 

[Loach]

I'm curious what your idea of "dealing with" these players is. It's been proven a million times having a brute on your team doesn't deter anything so I'm curious what you think having one of these players provides the team. Like literally the only benefit is if someone throws a dangerous hit that a useless player can go sit in the box for 5 minutes instead of Brady. I'm personally of the mind that the team is just overall better if you have NHL players who can play hockey instead of a plug who gets 4 minutes a game but can sometimes sit in the box

...or...just a thought..if said scenario happpens..everybody steps up. Not just Brady or the player to be named later that is brought in. Fck around and find out. A team game and the guys are all in. Wolves are smart. Be the Wolf. Feed the young, protect the old, punish the douch bags.


I have had the beers. The beers might be winning.

 

[aragorn]

I'm curious what your idea of "dealing with" these players is. It's been proven a million times having a brute on your team doesn't deter anything so I'm curious what you think having one of these players provides the team. Like literally the only benefit is if someone throws a dangerous hit that a useless player can go sit in the box for 5 minutes instead of Brady. I'm personally of the mind that the team is just overall better if you have NHL players who can play hockey instead of a plug who gets 4 minutes a game but can sometimes sit in the box

Are you sure? Look how well the Canadians are playing knowing that Xhekaj has there backs although they are also getting goaltending. Washington is much better since Wilson is healthy again & they are a team we might have to go through in a Conference final. The NYR seem to think they need Rempe in their lineup so I'm not sure why you think that these players don't deter anything. They clearly do & at times change the dynamics of games with a big hit, take a good player out of the game or win a fight handedly.

I'm for a player who can also play the game & play a regular shift like Chris Neil. Let's not forget when we needed Carkner to come in to handle Boyle in a playoff game because he was punching EK in the face in a playoff series & this board was going wild to bring someone in to handle that. Then we needed Neil to come in to handle Tanner Glass of all people in another playoff round who was hitting everyone & disrupting the entire team & no one else stepped up. You need a player or two who can do this otherwise your better players have to handle it & the team can't afford to lose their better players.

 

[CornerStone61]

They were looking for Necas from Carolina, not sure how Norris would work

I agree it's highly unlikely, just passing along what I saw

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

I know its Pagnotta and he's a hack but he's suggesting that Ottawa may enter the Pettersson sweepstakes with a deal surrounding Norris

I love Pettersson but I don't see a good trading partner there. Vancouver would want way more than Norris, and trading Norris in the middle of this playoff push seems like a bad idea for the room, he's really well liked and has shown a ton of resilience to get back to being a useful player after those injuries. I don't think the rest of the core would be very happy that as soon as they're starting to finally put it together as a group, management goes and splits the group up.

 

[Dionysus]

I love Pettersson but I don't see a good trading partner there. Vancouver would want way more than Norris, and trading Norris in the middle of this playoff push seems like a bad idea for the room, he's really well liked and has shown a ton of resilience to get back to being a useful player after those injuries. I don't think the rest of the core would be very happy that as soon as they're starting to finally put it together as a group, management goes and splits the group up.

The group also needs offense. If you can upgrade Norris to Pettersson without destroying the already thin prospect and draft capital, that's a win.

No time for hurt feelings with this group. They need to be professionals and keep striving to be a playoff team no matter what players are moved in or out.

 

[Silencio]

The group also needs offense. If you can upgrade Norris to Pettersson without destroying the already thin prospect and draft capital, that's a win.

No time for hurt feelings with this group. They need to be professionals and keep striving to be a playoff team no matter what players are moved in or out.

I also don't think Vancouver is dealing from a position of strength here. Aside from the very publicly known locker room rift, Petey is having a down year production wise and is still owed an absolute shit ton of money going forward. Is Norris alone enough to get it done? Probably not but I highly doubt the additional pieces would be on the level of a Yakemchuk.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I also don't think Vancouver is dealing from a position of strength here. Aside from the very publicly known locker room rift, Petey is having a down year production wise and is still owed an absolute shit ton of money going forward. Is Norris alone enough to get it done? Probably not but I highly doubt the additional pieces would be on the level of a Yakemchuk.

I agree that they are dealing from a position of weakness, but they don't need to trade Pettersson. The point of trading Pettersson is because the packages for Miller were not to their liking.

Necas and Kotkaniemi were apparently two names to come up in a Pettersson trade.

My guess would be Norris, another roster play, and a double-unprotected 1st. Meaning, Vancouver can either take our 1st this year, and our 1st next year goes to the league - or they can let us know by the deadline that they are taking our 1st next year and the 1st this year goes to the league.

That would not be as valuable as Yakamchuk, but it would be a lot more valuable than your typical 1st round pick, because we aren't a lock for playoffs this year (despite how well we're playing).

What do we reasonably have to add to Norris otherwise? We don't have a lot of quantity. Maybe we sell high on Leevi?

 

[GCK]

I agree it's highly unlikely, just passing along what I saw

Norris + Yak for Pettersson in the summer would be interesting. Not sure I’d do it but that’s probably what it would take.

 

[aragorn]

The group also needs offense. If you can upgrade Norris to Pettersson without destroying the already thin prospect and draft capital, that's a win.

No time for hurt feelings with this group. They need to be professionals and keep striving to be a playoff team no matter what players are moved in or out.

How did it go with Chara when the Sens traded his best friend on the team Hossa?

 

[senswon]

worth noting Pettersson is a left shot centre 6'2 176.
I dunno if we get him with buffalo in the hunt but not without Vancouver keeping some of his salary.
maybe there's a 3 way with buffalo possible. Gotta think we're gonna take a swing, but we dont have picks or prospects to dangle so somebody going. We need mean shooters


Elias Pettersson (b.1998) Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

 

[Keli]

I agree that they are dealing from a position of weakness, but they don't need to trade Pettersson. The point of trading Pettersson is because the packages for Miller were not to their liking.

Necas and Kotkaniemi were apparently two names to come up in a Pettersson trade.

My guess would be Norris, another roster play, and a double-unprotected 1st. Meaning, Vancouver can either take our 1st this year, and our 1st next year goes to the league - or they can let us know by the deadline that they are taking our 1st next year and the 1st this year goes to the league.

That would not be as valuable as Yakamchuk, but it would be a lot more valuable than your typical 1st round pick, because we aren't a lock for playoffs this year (despite how well we're playing).

What do we reasonably have to add to Norris otherwise? We don't have a lot of quantity. Maybe we sell high on Leevi?

Let’s not trade another young goalie with potential!

 

[xVolchenkov]

I may be the minority here, but I've really liked Cousins game recently and hope Ottawa extends him

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Let’s not trade another young goalie with potential!

I agree.

I'm just not sure what we have to add to Norris to get Pettersson. I wouldn't trade a 1st or Yak either.

 

[ottawagm]

I may be the minority here, but I've really liked Cousins game recently and hope Ottawa extends him

I like him around 1M or less. We can't do it if he's looking for long term payday.

 

[Dionysus]

How did it go with Chara when the Sens traded his best friend on the team Hossa?

Josh Norris is no Hossa. They also backstabbed Hossa by trading him after signing him to a 3 year contract.

 

[Icelevel]

Norris + Yak for Pettersson in the summer would be interesting. Not sure I’d do it but that’s probably what it would take.

That’s overpayment.
Shouldn’t have to add too much to Norris. He might actually be the better all round player going forward.

 

[Cosmix]

Are you sure? Look how well the Canadians are playing knowing that Xhekaj has there backs although they are also getting goaltending. Washington is much better since Wilson is healthy again & they are a team we might have to go through in a Conference final. The NYR seem to think they need Rempe in their lineup so I'm not sure why you think that these players don't deter anything. They clearly do & at times change the dynamics of games with a big hit, take a good player out of the game or win a fight handedly.

I'm for a player who can also play the game & play a regular shift like Chris Neil. Let's not forget when we needed Carkner to come in to handle Boyle in a playoff game because he was punching EK in the face in a playoff series & this board was going wild to bring someone in to handle that. Then we needed Neil to come in to handle Tanner Glass of all people in another playoff round who was hitting everyone & disrupting the entire team & no one else stepped up. You need a player or two who can do this otherwise your better players have to handle it & the team can't afford to lose their better players.

EXACTLY!

I like him around 1M or less. We can't do it if he's looking for long term payday.

$1M AAV for several seasons is OK with me. Several equals 2 or 3.

 

[Cosmix]

I agree.

I'm just not sure what we have to add to Norris to get Pettersson. I wouldn't trade a 1st or Yak either.

So Norris plus a second round pick? Maybe they might like whatshisname.