Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Senator Stanley]

Sounds like a 97M cap next according to Alan Walsh going to 105M two years later.

In that scenario we have 1827M of cap space with Ostapchuk on the roster and Sogaard and MacEwan buried. 14 players, 9 Fs, 4 D and Ullmark.

Gregor, Mantipalo, JBD, Kleven and Leevi are RFA.

Friedman put this in his column today, but it remains to be seen whether this many teams keep spending to the cap as it increases. He didn't name Ottawa, but I could definitely see us being a team that starts spending to an internal max budget, especially with Canadian dollar uncertainties.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

just gotta say how good it feels that we can discuss the team spending to the cap.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Frankly, I'd go full throttle on Peterka.

Conditional 1st+Ellinas and Crookshank

I'd even shake things up and do:

3rd team: Norris/Batherson

Ottawa: Peterka

Buffalo: 1sts+prospects from 3rd team

I can't see us moving a 1st. We owe a 1st to the league this year or next and teams will not take a first protected for two seasons without some major additional assets. That was what Doug Wilson Jr. said was the reason why they didn't protect the San Jose pick in the Karlsson trade.

We're still not locks for the playoffs this year, and we certainly aren't locks next year with how competitive the league is.

If we do trade our 1st, we might as well reverse-protect it to get the most value out of it. Trade a team their choice of our unprotected 1st in either 2025 or 2026. With the condition being that they have to choose before the deadline we have to inform the league which pick we will give them. That's basically what happened with the San Jose pick. If the protection was met (it wasn't), we could have taken the 2019 pick and given Buffalo the 2020 pick. So while it seemed unlikely that San Jose would pick in the top 10, we basically got two shots at them screwing up and handing us a high pick.

So if we moved our 1st now, and we allowed a team to choose which 1st they get since we have to give up one of them to the league regardless, I think it would be very valuable. But it also would be stupid to do that. I mean, maybe you can justify it for Peterka if you view him as a top 10 talent, but we don't get his ELC and we will lose someone else when we pay him.

 

[TheNewEra]

just gotta say how good it feels that we can discuss the team spending to the cap.

our cost per point is horrible though

 

[BankStreetParade]

Friedman put this in his column today, but it remains to be seen whether this many teams keep spending to the cap as it increases. He didn't name Ottawa, but I could definitely see us being a team that starts spending to an internal max budget, especially with Canadian dollar uncertainties.

I see us sticking to around $90M next season, maybe $92M at the top end. We have about $79M committed to the roster next year, which would give us about $11M-$13M to plug some holes. Leevi has played himself into a backup position, he should come in at $1M or less. Kleven has solidified his place in the lineup, he should come in at $1M or less. We'll need a bottom pairing RD, we can probably find one for $1.5M or less. We need some 4th line guys, we should be able to get 2-3 guys at league minimums going up to $1M. That should leave us with $5M-$7M to resign Giroux and/or get a quality free agent.

If we look like we're gonna be very competitive next year, we'll have all kinds of cap space to do something big heading into the trade deadline.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I doubt we want to spend 100M+ USD on a roster, but we cannot be competitive without doing that because Dorion and Melnyk backloaded all the long-term contracts to save money, and our roster isn't one that is easily changed due to how many big and long contracts there are. If we want to add to our roster, we have to spend 100M+.

For example, Tkachuk, Chabot, and Norris make a combined 30M against 24M of cap.

 

[UglyPuckling]

Holy fack! Get spending Staios.

nvm.

 

[ottawagm]

I doubt we want to spend 100M+ USD on a roster, but we cannot be competitive without doing that because Dorion and Melnyk backloaded all the long-term contracts to save money, and our roster isn't one that is easily changed due to how many big and long contracts there are. If we want to add to our roster, we have to spend 100M+.

For example, Tkachuk, Chabot, and Norris make a combined 30M against 24M of cap.

I think ownership needs to decide if they want to spend 100M USD on THIS roster.

I have no doubt they will spend to whatever the cap is if they believe we can go all the way, but is this the core for that? Will we be there before they start to hit UFA and leave for more than we are willing to pay?

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Is Carter Yakemchuk still hurt?

Sanderson, Jensen (possibly?), JBD, and Hamonic are hurt.

Emergency recall?

 

[Big Muddy]

I think ownership needs to decide if they want to spend 100M USD on THIS roster.

I have no doubt they will spend to whatever the cap is if they believe we can go all the way, but is this the core for that? Will we be there before they start to hit UFA and leave for more than we are willing to pay?

I hope the increase in HRR is attributable to increases in broadcast rights money. Hard to earn the additional revenue through ticket sales which only have limited elasticity and upside. $100 million U.S. is around $143 million Canadian, so there’s currency headwinds as well. Big market U.S. teams will have the easiest time in the new environment but I’d wonder about small market Canadian teams.

 

[DackellDuck]

I hope the increase in HRR is attributable to increases in broadcast rights money. Hard to earn the additional revenue through ticket sales which only have limited elasticity and upside. $100 million U.S. is around $143 million Canadian, so there’s currency headwinds as well. Big market U.S. teams will have the easiest time in the new environment but I’d wonder about small market Canadian teams.

Andlauer might be in for a tough few years.

Weak CAD
Big economic pressures for consumers potentially on the horizon with Trump tariffs
The Conservatives likely to win next election where (I imagine) they'll look to slash the federal workforce (not good for Ottawa)

Add all that to an already expensive team that looks to be mediocre and plays in an aging arena in Kanata...

I hope he really really really loves hockey as much as he says he does.

 

[aragorn]

What is wrong with the roster? They were 1 win away from being in 3rd place tonight in the division. They are so close to being a playoff team with a mountain of injuries to key players & the offence has dried up for a number of games, yet they are hanging right in there. This is way better than past yrs, they are playing very well defensively & have reduced their goals against dramatically.

There only problem right now seems to be inconsistent scoring, they are passing too much & not shooting enough & therefore not scoring. They need a breakout game in a bad way, it will come soon.

 

[ottawagm]

I hope the increase in HRR is attributable to increases in broadcast rights money. Hard to earn the additional revenue through ticket sales which only have limited elasticity and upside. $100 million U.S. is around $143 million Canadian, so there’s currency headwinds as well. Big market U.S. teams will have the easiest time in the new environment but I’d wonder about small market Canadian teams.

I hope Amazon puts good money to take over a majority of the games once the TV deals come up.

 

[PlayersLtd]

Keep in mind the senators will get + - $70M in broadcast revenue each year. For the early going of the cap increases that could be a much higher proportion of salary costs than the deal they have today.

The Bell deal (TSN) is up next year and was previously worth about $35M per year. And the national deal with Amazon is coming up which with Rogers was worth $16M. Both those were negotiated in 2013-14. That will help offset some of the headwinds Andlauer might have coming.

 

[Salva Mea]

Granlund-Perron+Gaudette+ two second round picks 25-27 or one second round pick 25 and two third round pick 26.

We need to trade Perron, dont know how but

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Frankly, I'd go full throttle on Peterka.

Conditional 1st+Ellinas and Crookshank

I'd even shake things up and do:

3rd team: Norris/Batherson

Ottawa: Peterka

Buffalo: 1sts+prospects from 3rd team

Your first offer is a condition first and two nothings.

And then your second offer is Norris or batherson for peterka lol.

These are two very different offers. One of

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

JBD and a mid round pick in like 2026 or 2027 for Höglander.

JBD is a solid #6 RHD that is a better puckmover and more mobile than the likes of Desharnais and Juulsen. Höglander is clearly in Tocchet's doghouse and thus needs a change. I think he'd do well with Timmy, especially with familiarity with Green.

 

[Big Muddy]

I hope Amazon puts good money to take over a majority of the games once the TV deals come up.

I don’t. I don’t like multi-trillion dollar companies getting into new markets, in this case “content".

I live in the U.S., so I would already have to pay Amazon $15/month to watch one Thursday NFL night game per week (17 total for $180 annually). Because I follow the Senators and live in the U.S., I’m already a ESPN+ subscriber just so that I can watch Senator games. I pay about $120 per year, but I get 1,050 games from ESPN+.

I don’t see how the average citizen is better off when a limited (handful) number of large multi-trillion dollar companies dominate multiple industries or market sectors. Companies like Amazon, Apple, Google (which is really Alphabet) already had their very large, profitable, core business and then have expanded into payment systems, content, etc. What’s next?

Owners of those corporations already have so much money, that they have to get into vanity interests like sending rockets into space. They could do other things with their money that benefited the general population like building hospitals or whatever, but they don’t.

People are short sighted. Maybe it's time for antitrust (assuming that works) laws to be levied? With the trillionaire tech moguls lining up beside a certain guy in the U.S., they are doing it to serve their own interests.

JMHO which I realize isn’t exactly a popular opinion.

 

[HSF]

EF. on 32 thoughts speculated if Green thinks he can handle JT in Ottawa. He' said he its just an idea he had and is very likely never going to happen....but he did mention it

 

[Emerica]

 

[PlayOn]

EF. on 32 thoughts speculated if Green thinks he can handle JT in Ottawa. He' said he its just an idea he had and is very likely never going to happen....but he did mention it

He said there was a better chance of him having a rumoured affair with Jennifer Aniston lol. Aka 0%.

Maybe if Trump annexes Canada tomorrow and we become the 51st state Miller will waive for us.

 

[HSF]

He said there was a better chance of him having a rumoured affair with Jennifer Aniston lol. Aka 0%.

Maybe if Trump annexes Canada tomorrow and we become the 51st state Miller will waive for us.

Still interesting he brought it up and there is a potential connection there if NYR and Canes don't work. A Norris+ return might be the best they can get.

Def a super long shot but interesting discussion imo

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Friedman doesn't bring things up for no reason.

He sometimes frames things he can't report as "I wonder..." - it's a trick Lalime's Martian needs to learn, as in, when something isn't concrete enough to report, Friedman might say "I wonder if they think about doing more tribute nights, maybe one for Mike Fisher", instead of "I heard a Mike Fisher night is coming".

The Anniston thing, while a dated reference at this point, is because if he isn't explicit about it not being a real rumour, be will get "radioed", with people on Twitter saying he reported Miller to Ottawa.

The fact that he isn't confident enough to say Vancouver and Ottawa are talking Miller means there probably isn't a lot of traction, but the fact that he even hinted at it is intriguing since he isn't Eklund, he doesn't just bring stuff up for no reason.

What I'm going with for my fake insider Twitter account is that we are offering Norris for Miller, which VAN doesn't want, but may have to consider as a fallback because they prefer a star roster player to a late 1st. That Miller won't waive for Ottawa, but he admires Travis Green and Spartacat so if it came down to bring his only option to get out, it's possible.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Still interesting he brought it up and there is a potential connection there if NYR and Canes don't work. A Norris+ return might be the best they can get.

Def a super long shot but interesting discussion imo

If there is anything between the two teams, my guess would be that Norris for Miller is their Weber for Subban. Not a trade they want to make, but if nobody offers a package they like by whatever deadline they have to get it done, it's the closest thing they can do to a plug and play return where they get a top 6 C back.

JT Miller had 3 years under Green in VAN, so while I'd be shocked if he waived for us, there is at least a link where you can come up with a justification for him to waive if other teams fall through and VAN tells him it's Ottawa or this thing drags on until the summer. If he trusts Green as a coach, maybe he would relent and agree to come here.

 

[Tuna99]

I’d take JT Miller, he’s had Travis Green and Mike Yeo and he can have Timmy on his wing, tempting.

Not sure how the trade works but I’ll try:

Ott: JT Miller
Van: Ridley Greig, Zach Ostapchuk, Mads Sogaard