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[TheNewEra]

My mistake, thank you, that's 3C (Dickinson)

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so a 3c, an expiring winger who is having a very similar season to norris and blah for norris and blah x3

honestly seems like we are selling norris for cheap, considering he plays an important position (centers and RD's always get the value bump), signed for term and if the cap does go up anywhere near the projected 9 million then the contract goes from a slight issue to no issue

plus its not like we can sign FA's unless its one that specifically wants to come to ottawa so i dont see the full on urgency to open up the money either

 

[Blotto71]

so a 3c, an expiring winger who is having a very similar season to norris and blah for norris and blah x3

honestly seems like we are selling norris for cheap, considering he plays an important position (centers and RD's always get the value bump), signed for term and if the cap does go up anywhere near the projected 9 million then the contract goes from a slight issue to no issue

plus its not like we can sign FA's unless its one that specifically wants to come to ottawa so i dont see the full on urgency to open up the money either

If you don't open up money you won't have it to make a splash. I don't think Staios shares my view, I'm simply sharing mine with the rest of the arm-chair-gm's. I do think making a deal like this signals to FA's that you are in it to win it, and maybe that has some impact when trying to attract gunslingers. The benefits are the 3C (Dickinson) is locked in for another year, and Kurashev is having an abysmal season going into RFA - so even if he turns it around, the numbers won't be great and there's an opportunity to go with a 1yr show me deal. Hall is hasta luego no matter what. Worst case, the Sens get a properly compensated 3C and free up some cap space.

 

[Golden_Jet]

If you don't open up money you won't have it to make a splash. I don't think Staios shares my view, I'm simply sharing mine with the rest of the arm-chair-gm's. I do think making a deal like this signals to FA's that you are in it to win it, and maybe that has some impact when trying to attract gunslingers. The benefits are the 3C (Dickinson) is locked in for another year, and Kurashev is having an abysmal season going into RFA - so even if he turns it around, the numbers won't be great and there's an opportunity to go with a 1yr show me deal. Hall is hasta luego no matter what. Worst case, the Sens get a properly compensated 3C and free up some cap space.

actually seems like the worst case is, Sens get worse.

 

[TheNewEra]

If you don't open up money you won't have it to make a splash. I don't think Staios shares my view, I'm simply sharing mine with the rest of the arm-chair-gm's. I do think making a deal like this signals to FA's that you are in it to win it, and maybe that has some impact when trying to attract gunslingers. The benefits are the 3C (Dickinson) is locked in for another year, and Kurashev is having an abysmal season going into RFA - so even if he turns it around, the numbers won't be great and there's an opportunity to go with a 1yr show me deal. Hall is hasta luego no matter what. Worst case, the Sens get a properly compensated 3C and free up some cap space.

for sure, i do follow the logic of what your trying to do/say but the thing is the chances of us getting an impact fa to sign with us is extremely low

just good fa's i can think off recent memory
giroux (wanted to come because of family)
hasek/gonchar (was when we were elite which we are not close to)
todd white (again home town guy, also him being on the list is concerning lol)
macarthur (definitely upped his value in ottawa)
kovalev (wouldnt exactly call him a good signing but needs a mention)
zub (was an international guy but this list looked depressing so im adding him)
tarasenko

That list as a whole is depressing. So if we do the Norris trade in theory, we will have to turn around and trade more assets to add to the team to replace the impact of Norris and then Hall via FA

 

[Blotto71]

for sure, i do follow the logic of what your trying to do/say but the thing is the chances of us getting an impact fa to sign with us is extremely low

just good fa's i can think off recent memory
giroux (wanted to come because of family)
hasek/gonchar (was when we were elite which we are not close to)
todd white (again home town guy, also him being on the list is concerning lol)
macarthur (definitely upped his value in ottawa)
kovalev (wouldnt exactly call him a good signing but needs a mention)
zub (was an international guy but this list looked depressing so im adding him)
tarasenko

That list as a whole is depressing. So if we do the Norris trade in theory, we will have to turn around and trade more assets to add to the team to replace the impact of Norris and then Hall via FA

I get you. I'm a guy though that goes into a company and manifests change, so that's what I'm suggesting here - make a case to draw FA's.

 

[Blotto71]

actually seems like the worst case is, Sens get worse.

I don't think Dickinson for Norris, plus Kurashev and cap space is "worse".

 

[Golden_Jet]

I don't think Dickinson for Norris, plus Kurashev and cap space is "worse".

that’s your opinion, I disagree.

You opened 3.7 million, minus whatever RFA gets. Looks worse than having Norris imo.

 

[Blotto71]

that’s your opinion, I disagree.

You opened 3.7 million, minus whatever RFA gets. Looks worse than having Norris imo.

I respect your opinion.

 

[LiseL]

This is the confusing part. Trotz let go of both Carrier and Fabbro only to see them play great on other teams, I have no idea what he was thinking.

Starting to think he's a better coach than GM.

 

[PlayersLtd]

you have a replacement player at 5-6 million.
Or Brock at 8-9 M

so you say, f*** 2-4 million.

Now add a local star. One who can sell 10,000-20,000 jerseys state wide with Minnie and Boeser/6. And at $100-$200. That is 2 M-4 M alone. Granted the bulk will be in year 1 and 2.

Now add other merchandise. Now add that 1-5% added eyes on media. So 2M - 4M in media.

Now add 1-5% price increases, as he keeps interest high... 2 M - 4 M.

Brock could add 6 M - 12 M... his 2- 4 M of added salary is? a deal!!!

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Columbus, Minnie, Utah, STL, Nashville. All Mid west, all bottom 11 in revenue. Now add Seattle, Colorado. Close enough and 19th and 20th in revenue.

2-4 M to Brock, 6-12 M for the club.

We will see. The CAP is climbing.
US born players are what Franco stars are to Montreal. A need.
Canadian CFL players make way more than their American counter parts. A need.

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Left handed Pitchers make more money. A need

Give me one example of a local talent that is overpaid by his team for the reasons you're arguing. Give me one single example of a player who quite clearly was paid a large premium because he is local and thus more marketable... I'll wait.

You brought up the Habs yet even they haven't done it. Pierre Luc Dubois, Claude Giroux, MAF, Jonathan Marchessault and Jonathan Huberdeau have all been available recently, yet interestingly Montreal didn't bite. MONTREAL. In fact they went one step further and traded away one of the top Quebecois players in the league in Danault...

In a cap world what you're saying just doesn't happen because the biggest return on investment, to a factor of 100 is winning. You know what the best evidence for what you're saying being fantasy is? Offer sheets. The offer sheet is perfectly suited to achieving what you are saying. Pay a premium and poach your guy. How many offer sheets have been tendered again?

I'll give you a rabbit turd sized pellet of credit. What you're saying exists in baseball (Aaron Judge?). It exists in basketball (Kawhi Leonard?). It exists in football (Joe Burrow?). But it doesn't exist in the NHL, not remotely like you are saying. Why? Because the salary cap forces teams to be smarter with their money and chase the ultimate marketing tool, winning.

 

[LiseL]

If you don't open up money you won't have it to make a splash. I don't think Staios shares my view, I'm simply sharing mine with the rest of the arm-chair-gm's. I do think making a deal like this signals to FA's that you are in it to win it, and maybe that has some impact when trying to attract gunslingers. The benefits are the 3C (Dickinson) is locked in for another year, and Kurashev is having an abysmal season going into RFA - so even if he turns it around, the numbers won't be great and there's an opportunity to go with a 1yr show me deal. Hall is hasta luego no matter what. Worst case, the Sens get a properly compensated 3C and free up some cap space.

IMO, the Sens are nowhere near being a contender. Yes, I can see them making the playoffs but don't see them going beyond the 1st round. Not enough 5v5 scoring and PPs are not as common in the playoffs. Maybe once they experience playoff hockey, they'll improve some more next year.

They're already losing a 1st round pick in the next 2 years. SS just needs to slowly improve the roster each year, beef up the prospect pool.

 

[Xspyrit]

Hamonic will be gone at the end of the season & JBD led this team in blocked shots last season, he is much better defensively than Brannstrom who is extremely weak defensively & got owned many times. Brannstrom just went through waivers & not a single team out of 31 teams picked him up for a reason. He is also a left shot & sucked when put into the right spot.

I expect that Yakemchuk will likely be Keven's partner next yr & they have two better options than Brannstrom in Belleville at RD. At least we agree on the team needing a top six forward, that's progress.

Thank Alfie, Hamonic will be gone at the end of the season, just another disastrous Dorion's file. We traded a valuable 3rd round pick to get him and gave him a 2 years too long extension with a NMC, which is why we were stuck with him. I hope it didn't do permanent damage on Sanderson but his first half this season was nothing like last year. Jake is KEY to this WHOLE rebuild so kinda dangerous to play him with a guy like Hamonic.

I have nothing against JBD and actually like that he's around, he's young, cheap and plays the right way. That said, he's not the perfect compliment to a rookie like Kleven, they only have a 42.8 xGF% together. Best metrics for Kleven is when he played with Zub or Chabot, although small sample sizes.

The problem I have is the things you say are just not factually true, it is obvious pure bias. It is true that Brannstrom is not sought after because he is undersized and unfortunately for him, he doesn't produce enough offense for a team to justify making a spot for him. There is not a lot of D-men under 6'0 in this league and it's normal because most modern D-men can move the puck these days and they are all much taller/bigger. Vancouver already have Hughes and he's elite so they don't really need/want a guy like Brannstrom as you will want Hughes out there on every OZ start. It was going really well for Brannstrom there at first (but they needed him during Forbort injury) so not sure why they moved on from him because Juulsen, Desharnais and even Soucy have been terrible in comparison. And if you think the moves makes the unanimity you should read this :

Waived: Post in thread 'Erik Brannstrom placed on waivers (update: CLEARED)'

Sunday at 2:24 PM

Hronek is going to join the team from his conditioning stint. Interesting but not surprising in the least they’re keeping Brisebois up over Brannstrom.

• wonton15

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Apparently, it's probably just because their staff don't play D-men on their off-side and they already have Hughes, Soucy and Forbort playing regularly on LD. All that said, if "extremely weak defensively" was true, it would be reflected in his advanced stats. But looking at the last 3 seasons, he has the 43th best xGA/60 among 238 D-men at ES, which means the team he plays for gives up LESS scoring chances when he is on the ice than it is the case for most D-men in the league... The type of guys who are the lowest in this stat are Klingberg, Krug, DeAngelo, Karlsson, Letang, Josh Brown, Matheson, Barrie, Drysdale... If Brannstrom was just a bit faster, or just a bit taller, or just a bit more productive or even just a RHD, he would have a regular spot by now. Hopefully it happens for him soon but for me, I take a Brannstrom over a Hamonic or Juulsen 100 times out of 100.

 

[Blotto71]

IMO, the Sens are nowhere near being a contender. Yes, I can see them making the playoffs but don't see them going beyond the 1st round. Not enough 5v5 scoring and PPs are not as common in the playoffs. Maybe once they experience playoff hockey, they'll improve some more next year.

They're already losing a 1st round pick in the next 2 years. SS just needs to slowly improve the roster each year, beef up the prospect pool.

My proposal moves out salary, adds a 3C and and RFA with upside for a pair of 3rds and Norris. If he can land Rantannen (or Marner) then he can continue building the pipeline slowly. But the Sens are on the clock with this core - a true top 3 winger would accelerate things nicely.

 

[Micklebot]

My proposal moves out salary, adds a 3C and and RFA with upside for a pair of 3rds and Norris. If he can land Rantannen (or Marner) then he can continue building the pipeline slowly. But the Sens are on the clock with this core - a true top 3 winger would accelerate things nicely.

That proposal only makes sense if you can land a UFA that makes up for the big step back you take on the initial trade.

The problem is Rantanen or Marner are pipe dreams, and would necessitate moving on from Giroux to fit under the cap as well, and that assumes you keep Kurashev and hope he agrees to a pay cut, but if not,

So, out
Norris, Giroux
Total 14.45 out

In
Dickenson @ 4.25
Fantasy UFA @ ~10mil
Kurashev @ ??? He's getting 2.25 on his QO
TOTAL 16.5 Mil in

but Giroux probably extends for less if we opt to keep him, and Marner or Rantanen probably cost more than 10 if we can even convince the to sign so the gap widens.

I think Norris' trade value is on the mend, he is shaking the injury concerns, the cap is rising, and his term becomes less of an negative every year. I think there's room for his production to improve too, so now might not be the best time to move him just to get out of the contract. He won't likely get to the point where he brings back a big return but I do think we can do better than Dickenson and a bit of cap space.

 

[Senator Stanley]

Rumored asking price for Ryan Donato out of Chicago is a 3rd round pick. I'd make that offer, and see if they'll take on Forsberg for the rest of the year (Donato makes 2M and Forsberg 2.75M so we'd come out ahead) if we chip in something else.

13 goals this year and can play all over the lineup.

I don't think we'd have to pay to get off Forsberg. Strange as it may sound, I think Forsberg would be valued by a team or two looking for goalie depth.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

My proposal moves out salary, adds a 3C and and RFA with upside for a pair of 3rds and Norris. If he can land Rantannen (or Marner) then he can continue building the pipeline slowly. But the Sens are on the clock with this core - a true top 3 winger would accelerate things nicely.

Rantannen, Marner, Peterka, Andersson - might as well throw McDavid & Makar into the mix. At least some dream big I suppose.

 

[TheNewEra]

I don't think we'd have to pay to get off Forsberg. Strange as it may sound, I think Forsberg would be valued by a team or two looking for goalie depth.

agreed, the canes were rumored to be interested in forsbreg and its not like he has gotten significantly worse since that rumor haha

we might need to make two trades if we wanted to add

forsberg to team x for a late pick

forward to ottawa for a 3rd+meh spec (not paying too much here cant really afford it)

 

[Blotto71]

Rantannen, Marner, Peterka, Andersson - might as well throw McDavid & Makar into the mix. At least some dream big I suppose.

Why dream small? Staios wants best in class, so make Ottawa a desired location and go get some talent.

 

[PlayOn]

Why dream small? Staios wants best in class, so make Ottawa a desired location and go get some talent.

Sure you can dream but there’s gotta be some realism here.

Winnipeg is a very well run org, they’ve been competitive for years. They’re still on every no trade list and can’t bring in strong free agents.

I think a better GM understands the limitations of their market as opposed to pretending they don’t exist, and acts accordingly.

 

[Micklebot]

Thank Alfie, Hamonic will be gone at the end of the season, just another disastrous Dorion's file. We traded a valuable 3rd round pick to get him and gave him a 2 years too long extension with a NMC, which is why we were stuck with him. I hope it didn't do permanent damage on Sanderson but his first half this season was nothing like last year. Jake is KEY to this WHOLE rebuild so kinda dangerous to play him with a guy like Hamonic.

I have nothing against JBD and actually like that he's around, he's young, cheap and plays the right way. That said, he's not the perfect compliment to a rookie like Kleven, they only have a 42.8 xGF% together. Best metrics for Kleven is when he played with Zub or Chabot, although small sample sizes.

The problem I have is the things you say are just not factually true, it is obvious pure bias. It is true that Brannstrom is not sought after because he is undersized and unfortunately for him, he doesn't produce enough offense for a team to justify making a spot for him. There is not a lot of D-men under 6'0 in this league and it's normal because most modern D-men can move the puck these days and they are all much taller/bigger. Vancouver already have Hughes and he's elite so they don't really need/want a guy like Brannstrom as you will want Hughes out there on every OZ start. It was going really well for Brannstrom there at first (but they needed him during Forbort injury) so not sure why they moved on from him because Juulsen, Desharnais and even Soucy have been terrible in comparison. And if you think the moves makes the unanimity you should read this :

Waived: Post in thread 'Erik Brannstrom placed on waivers (update: CLEARED)'

Sunday at 2:24 PM

Hronek is going to join the team from his conditioning stint. Interesting but not surprising in the least they’re keeping Brisebois up over Brannstrom.

• wonton15

• 

Apparently, it's probably just because their staff don't play D-men on their off-side and they already have Hughes, Soucy and Forbort playing regularly on LD. All that said, if "extremely weak defensively" was true, it would be reflected in his advanced stats. But looking at the last 3 seasons, he has the 43th best xGA/60 among 238 D-men at ES, which means the team he plays for gives up LESS scoring chances when he is on the ice than it is the case for most D-men in the league... The type of guys who are the lowest in this stat are Klingberg, Krug, DeAngelo, Karlsson, Letang, Josh Brown, Matheson, Barrie, Drysdale... If Brannstrom was just a bit faster, or just a bit taller, or just a bit more productive or even just a RHD, he would have a regular spot by now. Hopefully it happens for him soon but for me, I take a Brannstrom over a Hamonic or Juulsen 100 times out of 100.

4 teams have now moved on from Brannstrom, two of which he didn't even get into a game for. He has consistently been one of if not the most sheltered Dman every team he plays for under 3 different coaches. At some point, are we ever going to see people admit he just isn't good enough?

 

[Tuna99]

If we're going to entertain a deal with Chicago...

Norris + Boucher + Highmore + 3rd 2026
For
Dickinson, Hall, Kurashev

Sens get someone that should be top 6 winger for Stutzle (on an expiring contract...making room for Rantannen - MRR!), a bona-fide 3C, and a 25yr old pending RFA having a shitty season but with top 6 upside (but needing a change of scenery). Might need to be some tweeking to balance dollars.

Chicago gets a "2"C, a former 10th OA(!!!), and Highmore whi has shown well thus far (early days). Plus a 3rd! My goodness.

Hall has like 20 goals the last 3-4 seasons. Has a Jonathan Cheechoo feel to him, feels like he washed up fast to me

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Asking to move Norris and allocating that money for Boeser or Rantanen (+5 million) without first seeing how Norris (a proven 35 goal guy with great 2 way game, young and beloved in locker room) can do on the wing is bananas.

Guys like Norris breakout. The only thing stopping him is more injuries. That's it.

I'd only move Norris for a similar player of his that is more physical and hasn't shown maybe as much like Dylan Cozens.

 

[aragorn]

Thank Alfie, Hamonic will be gone at the end of the season, just another disastrous Dorion's file. We traded a valuable 3rd round pick to get him and gave him a 2 years too long extension with a NMC, which is why we were stuck with him. I hope it didn't do permanent damage on Sanderson but his first half this season was nothing like last year. Jake is KEY to this WHOLE rebuild so kinda dangerous to play him with a guy like Hamonic.

I have nothing against JBD and actually like that he's around, he's young, cheap and plays the right way. That said, he's not the perfect compliment to a rookie like Kleven, they only have a 42.8 xGF% together. Best metrics for Kleven is when he played with Zub or Chabot, although small sample sizes.

The problem I have is the things you say are just not factually true, it is obvious pure bias. It is true that Brannstrom is not sought after because he is undersized and unfortunately for him, he doesn't produce enough offense for a team to justify making a spot for him. There is not a lot of D-men under 6'0 in this league and it's normal because most modern D-men can move the puck these days and they are all much taller/bigger. Vancouver already have Hughes and he's elite so they don't really need/want a guy like Brannstrom as you will want Hughes out there on every OZ start. It was going really well for Brannstrom there at first (but they needed him during Forbort injury) so not sure why they moved on from him because Juulsen, Desharnais and even Soucy have been terrible in comparison. And if you think the moves makes the unanimity you should read this :

Waived: Post in thread 'Erik Brannstrom placed on waivers (update: CLEARED)'

Sunday at 2:24 PM

Hronek is going to join the team from his conditioning stint. Interesting but not surprising in the least they’re keeping Brisebois up over Brannstrom.

• wonton15

• 

Apparently, it's probably just because their staff don't play D-men on their off-side and they already have Hughes, Soucy and Forbort playing regularly on LD. All that said, if "extremely weak defensively" was true, it would be reflected in his advanced stats. But looking at the last 3 seasons, he has the 43th best xGA/60 among 238 D-men at ES, which means the team he plays for gives up LESS scoring chances when he is on the ice than it is the case for most D-men in the league... The type of guys who are the lowest in this stat are Klingberg, Krug, DeAngelo, Karlsson, Letang, Josh Brown, Matheson, Barrie, Drysdale... If Brannstrom was just a bit faster, or just a bit taller, or just a bit more productive or even just a RHD, he would have a regular spot by now. Hopefully it happens for him soon but for me, I take a Brannstrom over a Hamonic or Juulsen 100 times out of 100.

You bring up all kinds of nonsense, fancy stats & players that are irrelevant. None of that matters. Brannstrom is too small, too soft & too weak for the NHL, period. He is not elite, he's an average skater & doesn't produce enough pts to warrant a roster spot in the NHL. He'll eventually be back in Europe where he belongs.

 

[Tuna99]

Tony Deangelo is interesting - RD with offense who’s looking for an NHL return.

Jacques Martin coached him in NYR, so there is a direct tie there. Maybe Jacques didn’t like him because Deangelo was cut the year Jacques was there, but he’d also know best what happened and if Deangelo can be fixed

Interesting because the culture in Ottawa was not strong enoguh 2-3 years ago to bring on a player like this, today the culture and leadership strong enough to keep this kid under wraps

 

[Bileur]

Asking to move Norris and allocating that money for Boeser or Rantanen (+5 million) without first seeing how Norris (a proven 35 goal guy with great 2 way game, young and beloved in locker room) can do on the wing is bananas.

Guys like Norris breakout. The only thing stopping him is more injuries. That's it.

I'd only move Norris for a similar player of his that is more physical and hasn't shown maybe as much like Dylan Cozens.

Couldn’t agree more. Would love to see it given a decent run of games.