Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[PlayOn]

dylan ferguson is available now

I googled him and I have zero recollection of this dude playing for us lol

 

[HoweHullOrr]

So that’s why I had said Marner and someone suggested Rantenen - and they were both at $13 million.
It fit in the cap matrix, though listen I agree with you - they very likely aren’t coming here.

BUT - imo this would be a good way to go if the GM could make it happen.

I’ve been lurking in this thread for a bit without commenting, but I’m not sure a move like that (adding a $13 m forward) would work from a cap perspective if the cap ceiling is the currently projected $92.5 m.

There was a spreadsheet in here before that seemed pretty reasonable that illustrated that. It was at best a “maybe" if you assumed Grieg would get a pretty or significantly low RFA contract, newly added wingers came in at low, bargain prices and the Giroux contract was a $3.5 m cap hit. I’d guess the likelihood of all of those (3+) things happening is not high.

 

[DackellDuck]

Marner or Rantanen...? Really? What world are you guys living in? I can't believe what I'm reading!

There is zero chance either of those players would even take a meeting with Staios to discuss playing in Ottawa. Let's be real here.

If we're going the UFA route, we'll be dipping our toes in the Palmieri/Nyquist/Mangiapane/Kerfoot pool, and even then, we'd likely need to overpay to get those players' attention.

That's the trouble with trading Norris for cap space. We won't be able to spend it effectively. We had to pay David Perron $4M to come here.

What would you rather? Josh Norris, even if overpaid, or two David Perron's?

If there's a hockey trade available, absolutely consider it. But to clear cap for UFAs? No way.

 

[Golden_Jet]

dylan ferguson is available now

He’s played in Russia, ECHL and the AHL last 2 years, and doesn’t play much,
might as well go with Leevi and Forsberg., unless the teams sees something we don’t.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

My fake sources came in clutch again. I made the critically acclaimed Norris+Forsberg for Gibson+Dumoulin trade proposal yesterday. Just doing my job as an assistant captain of this subforum to keep the discussion rolling, and now Dumoulin is apparently available in real life.

 

[Golden_Jet]

My fake sources came in clutch again. I made the critically acclaimed Norris+Forsberg for Gibson+Dumoulin trade proposal yesterday. Just doing my job as an assistant captain of this subforum to keep the discussion rolling, and now Dumoulin is apparently available in real life.

Ya that was a bad proposal, your fake sources made up.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I googled him and I have zero recollection of this dude playing for us lol

He has a lot of ties to Ottawa. He was part of the return Vegas got for Methot during the original expansion. Then he ended up in Ottawa and had one massive game here when all our goalies were hurt.

He is a tweener who is a good pro everywhere else but isn't an NHLer. Claiming him would be pointless because he likely gets reclaimed when we go to send him down. He is a solid AHL goalie to have but doesn't help us in the NHL.

Ya that was a bad proposal, your fake sources made up.

Look, I just report what I fake hear. My dream is to one day work for HockeyBuzz.

 

[PlayOn]

He has a lot of ties to Ottawa. He was part of the return Vegas got for Methot during the original expansion. Then he ended up in Ottawa and had one massive game here when all our goalies were hurt.

He is a tweener who is a good pro everywhere else but isn't an NHLer. Claiming him would be pointless because he likely gets reclaimed when we go to send him down. He is a solid AHL goalie to have but doesn't help us in the NHL.



Look, I just report what I fake hear. My dream is to one day work for HockeyBuzz.

Thanks. I appreciate the encyclopedic memories some of you have.

 

[HSF]

The two thing aren't related. I don't think there is a realistic avenue to move Perron. There might be an avenue to move Norris either for future considerations, or in a deal for some lower value players in positions of need that have less term and lower cap hits.

We're not getting a taker for Perron without attaching at least a 2nd round pick to him or without him being a moving part in a bigger trade where we give up major assets for a valuable player (like Korpisalo was in the Ullmark deal).

Either he LTIRetires or we move a pick with Perron. I rather move a pick with Perron first then see where our cap situation is then trade norris without another center coming back

 

[BondraTime]

Either he LTIRetires or we move a pick with Perron. I rather move a pick with Perron first then see where our cap situation is then trade norris without another center coming back

Perron really isn’t effecting the cap all that much, aside from not being that good. Moving him doesn’t open up salary cap opportunities for the team. He’s got a year left at 4 million, and he’d be replaced by a player making 2+ million at the absolute least, in all likelihood would be within 500k, and a pretty similar guy.

Moving a pick for a guy making 4 million for a season would be absolute buffoonery from the Sens.

 

[HSF]

Perron really isn’t effecting the cap all that much, aside from not being that good. Moving him doesn’t open up salary cap opportunities for the team. He’s got a year left at 4 million, and he’d be replaced by a player making 2+ million at the absolute least, in all likelihood would be within 500k, and a pretty similar guy.

Moving a pick for a guy making 4 million for a season would be absolute buffoonery from the Sens.

If Perron can't play in the top 6 which I don't think he can then yes his 4mill can def be used to get a better player for the top 6

 

[BondraTime]

If Perron can't play in the top 6 which I don't think he can then yes his 4mill can def be used to get a better player for the top 6

He isn’t playing in the top 6, he’s playing in the bottom 6, with guys like Amadio (2.6) and Pinto (3.75) making similar money.

If you’re trying to get a guy for the top 6 with 4 million you’re going to be liking to sign guys like:

Viktor Arvidsson - 4aav 2 years 8 total -24gp 11p
David Perron - 4aav 2 years 8 total - 9gp 0p
Anthony Duclair - 3.5aav 4 years 14 total - 12gp 6p
Yakov Trenin - 3.5aav 4 years 14 total - 35gp 6p
Warren Foegel - 3.5aav 3 years 10.5 total - 38gp 23p
Jeff Skinner - 3aav 1 year 3 total - 38gp 14 points

Those are all the guys who changed teams through UFA from 3-4 million.

That’s really what you’re looking at getting for guys who are “top 6” possible players in the 3-4 million range during UFA. If you’re looking for a guy to ply in the top 6, you need to be fishing with more than 4 million.

And then you’re in cap trouble again immediately with very little change, which is why getting out of an 8 million dollar contract is incredibly valuable for the Sens.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Not sure how we would make the cap work but Macelli is an intriguing buy-low winger option. Dont think the asset cost would be high and I think he could play off of Stutzle or even Norris, so long as the other winger has some skill.