Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[ottawagm]

I like splitting up the top forwards into pairs for 5 on 5 play, with one complimentary forward for each line. If we use the pairs they had last game then we could do something like this when healthy:

??? - Stutzle - Batherson
Tkachuk - Pinto - Amadio
Cousins - Norris - Giroux
Greig - Ostapchuck - Perron (if he can come back for playoffs in a limited role)

 

[PatrickEaves]

I can see him being worse than our bottom pairing honestly.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I'm still mad that we didn't get Carrier.

It's worse because it was Montreal who fleeced Nashville.

I am not saying Nashville ever made him available to use or that we could make the cap work, but sometimes it's nice to be upset about something.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I'm still mad that we didn't get Carrier.

It's worse because it was Montreal who fleeced Nashville.

I am not saying Nashville ever made him available to use or that we could make the cap work, but sometimes it's nice to be upset about something.

Nope.

 

[Micklebot]

Nope.

Nice not so much, might be cathartic to complain about it though.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Nice not so much, might be cathartic to complain about it though.

True

 

[SensFanInMTL]

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Ohh the “throw in “ for Ceci who according to SOME posters that watched ALOT of the sharks last year was no where near as good as Ceci because Ceci was playing on a cup contender and Emberson… they simply hadn’t heard of before.

The underlying numbers can find you gems.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Ohh the “throw in “ for Ceci who according to SOME posters that watched ALOT of the sharks last year was no where near as good as Ceci because Ceci was playing on a cup contender and Emberson… they simply hadn’t heard of before.

The underlying numbers can find you gems.

Still can't believe Yzerman paid Grier a 2nd to take Walman, while the Oilers actually got a valuable young more mobile and cost effective Dman for Ceci and a 3rd...

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Still can't believe Yzerman paid Grier a 2nd to take Walman, while the Oilers actually got a valuable young more mobile and cost effective Dman for Ceci and a 3rd...

I was one of the guys who was def wrong on Walman. I just remember us bullying him every time we played Detroit.

But yeah. The advanced stats don’t tell the whole story but they can help find dudes who can really help you

 

[Alex1234]

Still can't believe the Carrier for Barron trade
Good RDs are so rare to come by

 

[Bileur]

I was one of the guys who was def wrong on Walman. I just remember us bullying him every time we played Detroit.

But yeah. The advanced stats don’t tell the whole story but they can help find dudes who can really help you

Brady bullied him. He looked pretty good against the rest of the team.

Being bullied by Brady isn’t that concerning given how rare he is.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Brady bullied him. He looked pretty good against the rest of the team.

Being bullied by Brady isn’t that concerning given how rare he is.

I thought it was everyone.

Like Brady skjei. After we targeted him in that New York series every single time he was in the ice I figured he would never amount to much

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Ohh the “throw in “ for Ceci who according to SOME posters that watched ALOT of the sharks last year was no where near as good as Ceci because Ceci was playing on a cup contender and Emberson… they simply hadn’t heard of before.

The underlying numbers can find you gems.

It can both be true that he was a throw in and that he had a step in the right direction and exceeded expectations. A relatable example would be that Demelo eventually developed into a top pairing RHD, but at the time of the Karlsson trade he was absolutely a throw in.

Play Ceci 15 minutes a night and I'll find clips of him looking good too.

Both teams are likely happy with the trade. The Oilers got an NHL player and cap space and the Sharks got a 3rd and a defenseman to eat up top pairing minutes, who they will likely flip for a draft pick at the deadline. Emberson wasn't going to play 20+ minutes a night for them.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

It can both be true that he was a throw in and that he had a step in the right direction and exceeded expectations. A relatable example would be that Demelo eventually developed into a top pairing RHD, but at the time of the Karlsson trade he was absolutely a throw in.

Play Ceci 15 minutes a night and I'll find clips of him looking good too.

Both teams are likely happy with the trade. The Oilers got an NHL player and cap space and the Sharks got a 3rd and a defenseman to eat up top pairing minutes, who they will likely flip for a draft pick at the deadline. Emberson wasn't going to play 20+ minutes a night for them.

The oilers found a way t move Ceci for a d man tracking to be better than him. Ceci should have been a guy they paid to get rid of and got nothing in return.

Very nice piece of business by Edmonton

 

[LiseL]

Expiring deals after the season :

Giroux 6.5 AAV
Forsberg 2.75 AAV
Hamonic 1.1 AAV
Cousins 0.8 AAV
Gaudette 0.775 AAV
Reinhardt 0.775 AAV

RFAs : Greig, Gregor, Kleven, JBD, Merilainen (we re-sign them all except maybe Gregor)

1) Can we re-sign Giroux in a lesser role (3rd line) for around 3.5 AAV?

2) We let Forsberg and Hamonic walk

3) Cousins could brought back if still cheap and things continue to mesh well

4) Gaudette is a wildcard, nice to have as depht scoring but can't overpay for that type of player. I'd propose him 3 years x 1.5 AAV see if he bites for the term

5) Reinhardt is a keeper for the 4th line, should continue to be cheap

RFAs shouldn't command too much of a raise so we might save a few millions with the above and also with the cap rising but we'll need a defenseman who can play a bit everywhere and a top-6 Winger

I think we'll also need to find a way to get rid of these 2 contracts :

Perron 4.0 AAV
Amadio 2.6 AAV


Who agrees with all this?

Disagree on Amadio and Gregor. Amadio is a smart 2-way player, Gregor has great speed and is good on the PK.

Not sure management would try to move Perron seeing as he was facing personal issues and is now injured. Maybe he comes back before the end of the season and makes a difference in the playoff push. Worse case scenario is he is on LTIR in the meantime. Part of the reason they brought him in was for his vet leadership. That reason is still valid.

 

[LiseL]

Skinner doesn't have much reason to waive his NMC. He is 33 years old at the end of the season, so the sun is already setting on his career. It's not a situation where he didn't get a chance in Edmonton. Going to another team isn't a lock to prolong his career, but staying in Edmonton with a NMC keeps him on the roster of a cup contender, even if the role is different than what he likely hoped it could be when he signed.

Didn't he sign with Edm because they're a contender? Sens aren't in that conversation yet so I imagine they're on his NMC list.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

The oilers found a way t move Ceci for a d man tracking to be better than him. Ceci should have been a guy they paid to get rid of and got nothing in return.

Very nice piece of business by Edmonton

Plus this happened when they were under pressure from the offer sheets, so GMs most likely would have demanded even more for less from the Oilers to get rid of Ceci.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I think the writing is on the wall for Norris here.
Guy is on the third line. Getting scolded. Coach is falling more in love with pinto by the day.

 

[Cosmix]

Expiring deals after the season :

Giroux 6.5 AAV
Forsberg 2.75 AAV
Hamonic 1.1 AAV
Cousins 0.8 AAV
Gaudette 0.775 AAV
Reinhardt 0.775 AAV

RFAs : Greig, Gregor, Kleven, JBD, Merilainen (we re-sign them all except maybe Gregor)

1) Can we re-sign Giroux in a lesser role (3rd line) for around 3.5 AAV?

2) We let Forsberg and Hamonic walk

3) Cousins could brought back if still cheap and things continue to mesh well

4) Gaudette is a wildcard, nice to have as depht scoring but can't overpay for that type of player. I'd propose him 3 years x 1.5 AAV see if he bites for the term

5) Reinhardt is a keeper for the 4th line, should continue to be cheap

RFAs shouldn't command too much of a raise so we might save a few millions with the above and also with the cap rising but we'll need a defenseman who can play a bit everywhere and a top-6 Winger

I think we'll also need to find a way to get rid of these 2 contracts :

Perron 4.0 AAV
Amadio 2.6 AAV


Who agrees with all this?

Agree with all of this.

Would sign Gregor at $1M or less as he adds speed and physical play which we need more of.

 

[HSF]

I'm still mad that we didn't get Carrier.

It's worse because it was Montreal who fleeced Nashville.

I am not saying Nashville ever made him available to use or that we could make the cap work, but sometimes it's nice to be upset about something.

yup

im curious to see how Staois improves this roster. This and /or Fabbro were misses

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

yup

im curious to see how Staois improves this roster. This and /or Fabbro were misses

We didn't have the cap space to add Carrier. So we don't know if we actually would have considered it. It's just annoying to see him go to a division rival for basically taking the cap hit from Nashville.

We are in a tough spot because of our cap situation.

 

[Xspyrit]

Ohh the “throw in “ for Ceci who according to SOME posters that watched ALOT of the sharks last year was no where near as good as Ceci because Ceci was playing on a cup contender and Emberson… they simply hadn’t heard of before.

The underlying numbers can find you gems.

Archaic dinosaurus GMs make the same mistakes again and again

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Expiring deals after the season :

Giroux 6.5 AAV
Forsberg 2.75 AAV
Hamonic 1.1 AAV
Cousins 0.8 AAV
Gaudette 0.775 AAV
Reinhardt 0.775 AAV

RFAs : Greig, Gregor, Kleven, JBD, Merilainen (we re-sign them all except maybe Gregor)

1) Can we re-sign Giroux in a lesser role (3rd line) for around 3.5 AAV?

2) We let Forsberg and Hamonic walk

3) Cousins could brought back if still cheap and things continue to mesh well

4) Gaudette is a wildcard, nice to have as depht scoring but can't overpay for that type of player. I'd propose him 3 years x 1.5 AAV see if he bites for the term

5) Reinhardt is a keeper for the 4th line, should continue to be cheap

RFAs shouldn't command too much of a raise so we might save a few millions with the above and also with the cap rising but we'll need a defenseman who can play a bit everywhere and a top-6 Winger

I think we'll also need to find a way to get rid of these 2 contracts :

Perron 4.0 AAV
Amadio 2.6 AAV


Who agrees with all this?

Agree with most of this, but I'm cooling on Gaudette. Cousins and Gregor I'd bring back if reasonable. I'd like to see an upgrade on 6th D, whether that's considered Hammer or JBD. I understand you don't like Amadio, but I think we all know there isn't going to be any attempt to "dump" him and his contract. GM just signed him, arguably paid a 3rd to make room for him, depending how you look at it, and the Coach basically uses any opportunity available to bring him up after games. Who knows how they handle Perron if he doesn't come back this year though. They clearly have a top 6 wing hole and a 4 mil salary in the press box makes it hard to fill.

 

[Xspyrit]

Agree with most of this, but I'm cooling on Gaudette. Cousins and Gregor I'd bring back if reasonable. I'd like to see an upgrade on 6th D, whether that's considered Hammer or JBD. I understand you don't like Amadio, but I think we all know there isn't going to be any attempt to "dump" him and his contract. GM just signed him, arguably paid a 3rd to make room for him, depending how you look at it, and the Coach basically uses any opportunity available to bring him up after games. Who knows how they handle Perron if he doesn't come back this year though. They clearly have a top 6 wing hole and a 4 mil salary in the press box makes it hard to fill.

Yeah, I'll have to cope with Amadio, I just hope we'll have 9 better forwards to have a good Top-9 which is KEY in today's NHL IMO.

If only Perron was a few years younger and healthy, it would give us a different outcome. Staios already turned bad situations (Korpisalo + DeBrincat's return and Chychrun) into positives so hopefully he'll be able to do something good for our forward group.

I'm good with our whole defense minus Hamonic who shouldn't be re-signed (I'd be shocked). No idea if Yakemchuk graduates next season but if not, we need a guy like Brannstrom actually but with more size and PIMs if they prefer. A guy they can plug anywhere LD, RD, Top-4, bottom pairing and not get caved in. But let's say that Yak graduates :

Sanderson - Yakemchuk
Chabot - Jensen
Kleven - Zub
JBD

Now you're talking, our D could be a real strength

'll be able to do Disagree on Amadio and Gregor. Amadio is a smart 2-way player, Gregor has great speed and is good on the PK.

Not sure management would try to move Perron seeing as he was facing personal issues and is now injured. Maybe he comes back before the end of the season and makes a difference in the playoff push. Worse case scenario is he is on LTIR in the meantime. Part of the reason they brought him in was for his vet leadership. That reason is still valid.

Amadio is a decent bottom-6 forward but I'd rather have him on my 4th line, which would make his salary too high. He's sorta like Chris Tierney at his peak : too good for the 4th line but you're not going to contend for much if he's on your 3rd line

Perron needs to contribute and it's not his fault that he can't at the moment but we can't afford to have too much "non-productive money". We have no idea how it's going to play out for the rest of the season but can't imagine it's going to be easier if he misses all year and comes back next season at 37 y/o. LTIR doesn't accomplish anything

Here's an Amadio card :

https://www.hockeystatcards.com/skater?id=8478020

Agree with all of this.

Would sign Gregor at $1M or less as he adds speed and physical play which we need more of.

I'm ok with Gregor as long as he's cheap, he needs to be around my #12-13 forward though. He hasn't been getting very good results so far...

https://www.hockeystatcards.com/skater?id=8479393