Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[HSF]

It's funny, he's second among fwds at 5v5 in hits and 1st in blocked shots, he's also 2nd in penalties drawn. Not stats you'd typically associate with playing like a cupcake.

He's certainly not a physical force, but I don't see him shying away from contact the way he was when he didn't quite trust the shoulder.

He lacks intensity. Same with Pinto this year. Stuztle, Brady and G are the only guys who have consistently been engaged in board battles and playing hard even when we are down.

The boys on tsn 1200 brought up this point this morning about Brady trying to bring the rest of the guys into the fight.

Pretty disappointing not seeing guys like Norris, Greig and Pinto play a more intense style of game. This team should be playing with a level of urgency

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

No, this is far less about believing or not believing, in as much as it is about fact and historical significance.

I am from a tribe; Banou Azd. They first surfaced in 200 CE. As in first documented. Their original area of living was South Western Saudi Arabia (It was not called that back then). The view is, Common religion back then was: idolism and other such religions... OR Judaism.

Moses supposedly took a route due south of the Sinai and back up to a city called Ezion-Geber (Modern day AQABA, Jordan). At the Southern most part of their journey, you are a 100 km boat ride, to where my tribe would have been.

1 ) At Ezion-Geber (Aqaba).. you are 1200 km from that area. So, say the Jews who fled with Moses, headed in all different directions!!!!

2) My family name has tremendous links to Ezion-Geber... But that may be accidental, or decided on later.

In 300-350 CE, a branch of us, converts to Christianity. Aligns itself with the Byzantine Empire and spreads Orthodox Christianity. This would have been around the time of Constantine the Great. The first Emperor to turn the Roman empire into the Holly roman empire. The Byzantine empire is simply the derivative of the Eastern Roman Empire.

And we migrate (the new branch of the tribe) north from Saudi/Yemen. Straight to Jordan.. Ergo Ezion-Geber.

4) the Azds that remained. Made up the population of Mecca and Madena. Making the Prophet Mohamed, likely one of us. Christians that remained, were successful and guided the Mohameedens. Theory has it that the Quran was written by Christians. Ergo the adaption of Abrahamic religions. Even the Archangel that visited Mohamed in the cave are Judo-Christian ones. (Archangel Gabriel)

5) we continue North and go through Nazareth, Bethlehem, Jerusalem Granted in the 500-1000 CE.

6) Some of us land in Sothern Lebanon.. This is the more Tricky association. A Maronite Priest (a sect of Catholicism, began in Lebanon in 350 CE) wrote a book theorizing that Christ was from Lebanon, not Nazareth/Bethlehem (modern day Israel). His theory is not universally accepted, but not debunked either.

He theorized that Qana. The city where Jesus attended a wedding and turned water into wine, is Qana Lebanon (the Lebanese have long believed that and Qana, Lebanon is deemed sacred. It is today in Huzbulalh hands and gets bombed regularly). Qana Lebanon is 25 minutes from my village.

My Village was also started by the crusaders in the 1100 time frame. And was home to a famous Crusader/Salah El Deen battle.

So, I have Moses, Christ, the Mohamed as direct connections. POSSIBLY.

I TRY VERY HARD to keep an open mind. And try very hard to walk a fine line on religion. Historically, it can be alarming to connect dots. Although, you do have to be careful that these dots are not connected incorrectly.

For any Serbs out there. Constantine the great was a Serb. Modern Christianity owes its existence to the Serbs.

Saint Paul was German. While born in modern day Turkey, everything about him suggests a German. And consider that the Romans battled the Germans, it is possible that his ancestors where brought over by the Romans.

there is the lesson on history and religion.

Cool story, but I'm not sure what or why you're telling me with this? I think my original comment was that Satan is a fictional character. I don't think any history lesson is shaking my belief that humans just fall for fabricated re-told stories.

He lacks intensity. Same with Pinto this year. Stuztle, Brady and G are the only guys who have consistently been engaged in board battles and playing hard even when we are down.

The boys on tsn 1200 brought up this point this morning about Brady trying to bring the rest of the guys into the fight.

Pretty disappointing not seeing guys like Norris, Greig and Pinto play a more intense style of game. This team should be playing with a level of urgency

I noticed Norris throw a couple hits last night that were very much out of character for him. He hunted them and they were heavy. I wondered if his name in the rumour mill had him trying to up his intensity.

 

[Beech]

Cool story, but I'm not sure what or why you're telling me with this? I think my original comment was that Satan is a fictional character. I don't think any history lesson is shaking my belief that humans just fall for fabricated re-told stories.

yes, but Satan is religion and I explained earlier that I am linked in such a way that I don't dismiss anything.

That is why I gave you the background.

I learned along time ago. Never dismiss, never accept. Always be open minded. Without that, you get the lunacy that we see due South.

 

[Loach]

Cool story, but I'm not sure what or why you're telling me with this? I think my original comment was that Satan is a fictional character. I don't think any history lesson is shaking my belief that humans just fall for fabricated re-told stories.


I noticed Norris throw a couple hits last night that were very much out of character for him. He hunted them and they were heavy. I wondered if his name in the rumour mill had him trying to up his intensity.

KEYSER SOZE!

 

[branch]

EK is coming home...I've been saying it for a while. Just watch

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I can't imagine a GM would give up anything good good for Norris with his history and term.

It will be something like we get back 2 veteran players with term who are no longer big stars. Something like a middle 6 center and a fringe top 4D.

Unless it's Karlsson with his cap retained to be at par with Norris.

I could maybe see LAK trading for him. There is the DJ Smith connection.

I'd guess maybe Nashville or Columbus. Columbus has Provorov, who Ottawa could flip at the deadline if they are out. They also have a few overlaid vets they could bundle to offset Norris.

Nashville is having a bad start and has flexibility to make a move because they have been very conservative about trade protection. Ryan O'Reilly fits the kind of player were trying to bring in. I know he is on a steep decline. It's not so much a suggestion as a prediction.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

There were some whispers that the Sens and Blues were pretty deep on a Josh Norris/Brayden Schenn swap before his shoulder exploded again.

A Schenn/Norris swap sounds like Brassard/Zib 2.0.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

yes, but Satan is religion and I explained earlier that I am linked in such a way that I don't dismiss anything.

That is why I gave you the background.

I learned along time ago. Never dismiss, never accept. Always be open minded. Without that, you get the lunacy that we see due South.

Ah, I see.

There is plenty I'm open to, and hopefully this doesn't offend anyone because we all have the right ot believe what we want, but for me it doesn't include humans and the grand stories they've told and re-told through generations that take on a life of their own. I think more on a universe level of recycled energy, but I find much of the various religions wade too far in to absurdity to be taken seriously and no part of me believes humans are special in any way as if we have some higher purpose. Ants on an anthill.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

-Cody Ceci (3.25M UFA)
-Mikael Granlund (5M UFA)


-Josh Norris (8M x 6Y)

That's the kind of deal I would expect, and everybody will lose their mind over Ottawa giving away Norris for two expiring contracts, even if they are useful players who help now.

I still think that it's not only about getting players now, but also getting out of that contract and creating cap flexibility. I highly doubt that we have the leverage to get legitimate assets, or an exciting piece like Jiricek from Columbus.

Ottawa then either keeps the players as own-rentals (or re-signs them), or they flip them at the deadline which at worst gets them a few 3rd round picks. The result being, they get out of the Norris contract completely after failing to save the season by shaking up the room.

I guarantee you that whatever he returns will be moaned and groaned about because people will discount that it is just as much about getting out of the term of the contract without having to attach a major asset to it as it is about getting back players.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

-Cody Ceci (3.25M UFA)
-Mikael Granlund (5M UFA)


-Josh Norris (8M x 6Y)

That's the kind of deal I would expect, and everybody will lose their mind over Ottawa giving away Norris for two expiring contracts, even if they are useful players who help now.

I still think that it's not only about getting players now, but also getting out of that contract and creating cap flexibility. I highly doubt that we have the leverage to get legitimate assets, or an exciting piece like Jiricek from Columbus.

I think with Ottawa being so low on trade currency and such a hard UFA draw, especially as they're still mired in losing, they won't just be looking for expiring deals. They'll want players with a little more control imo, not two guys likely to walk away immediately.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Did anyone see Norris try and take a one-timer last night late in the game? Complete flub, which is exactly what was happening when he was in the shooter's position earlier this year.

If he can't take a one-timer at an elite level it's very unlikely he puts up big numbers over an 82 game season, and therefore unlikely he justifies his 7.95M salary.

More than fine trading him away, just would hope it's a swap for a guy or two that can contribute positively to the roster. Last thing we should be doing is subtracting from the team right now.

 

[Golden_Jet]

yes, but Satan is religion and I explained earlier that I am linked in such a way that I don't dismiss anything.

That is why I gave you the background.

I learned along time ago. Never dismiss, never accept. Always be open minded. Without that, you get the lunacy that we see due South.

Let’s stick to Hockey.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Nashville could use a C ...

Norris to Nashville

Carrier 28 y/0 Rd 3 Year contract $3.75 million AAV and prospect 2024 22OA Surin to Ottawa

Did anyone see Norris try and take a one-timer last night late in the game? Complete flub, which is exactly what was happening when he was in the shooter's position earlier this year.

If he can't take a one-timer at an elite level it's very unlikely he puts up big numbers over an 82 game season, and therefore unlikely he justifies his 7.95M salary.

More than fine trading him away, just would hope it's a swap for a guy or two that can contribute positively to the roster. Last thing we should be doing is subtracting from the team right now.

Have to wonder how much he practices that these days... He should . He can easily stay out and shoot pucks with another player or a coach

 

[Hale The Villain]

Have to wonder how much he practices that these days... He should . He can easily stay out and shoot pucks with another player or a coach

It could be an issue with shoulder stiffness or a lesser range of motion. Wouldn't be shocking after 3 shoulder surgeries.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

It could be an issue with shoulder stiffness or a lesser range of motion. Wouldn't be shocking after 3 shoulder surgeries.

could have something to do with that .. I would imagine when they were using him as the shooter regularly on the PP he would be practicing that..
Its been a while since they set up that way and looked to use that play but if he has healed he should take it on himself to practice the shot

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I think with Ottawa being so low on trade currency and such a hard UFA draw, especially as they're still mired in losing, they won't just be looking for expiring deals. They'll want players with a little more control imo, not two guys likely to walk away immediately.

That is a good point. I am not suggesting that they will exclusively only look at UFAs, and I also think that moving Norris for value becomes easier if a multi-term contract is going back.

But I don't think getting back two useful pending UFAs, or one player with term and one UFA will be a deal breaker. Even if you look at our big summer acquisitions in Ullmark and Jensen, one was a pending UFA and one was a year away from being a pending UFA.

So if a team could offer Ottawa a center who could slot in at 2 or 3, and a D who could temporarily slot in on the middle pairing and eventually be pushed down to the #5 spot, I don't think UFA status would be a deal breaker.

Ryan O'Reilly is another name I have brought up in this thread. He has 2 years of term at a modest cap hit and would leave room for the Senators to either get a D directly from Nashville, or if Nashville included an asset with ROR, flip that asset to a third team for a D.

Ultimately, I think whoever acquires Norris will either be a team like Chicago or San Jose who can gamble on the term+cap hit of Norris because they are early in a rebuild and have an excessive amount of cap flexibility going forward. Or it will be a struggling team like Nashville who has a few mid-tier pieces that equal up to 8M in cap that they could move to make it work.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Norris for Fiala

 

[Golden_Jet]

It could be an issue with shoulder stiffness or a lesser range of motion. Wouldn't be shocking after 3 shoulder surgeries.

Just looked like he heeled the shot to me, miss-timed it, nothing to do with stiffness.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

That is a good point. I am not suggesting that they will exclusively only look at UFAs, and I also think that moving Norris for value becomes easier if a multi-term contract is going back.

But I don't think getting back two useful pending UFAs, or one player with term and one UFA will be a deal breaker. Even if you look at our big summer acquisitions in Ullmark and Jensen, one was a pending UFA and one was a year away from being a pending UFA.

So if a team could offer Ottawa a center who could slot in at 2 or 3, and a D who could temporarily slot in on the middle pairing and eventually be pushed down to the #5 spot, I don't think UFA status would be a deal breaker.

Ryan O'Reilly is another name I have brought up in this thread. He has 2 years of term at a modest cap hit and would leave room for the Senators to either get a D directly from Nashville, or if Nashville included an asset with ROR, flip that asset to a third team for a D.

Ultimately, I think whoever acquires Norris will either be a team like Chicago or San Jose who can gamble on the term+cap hit of Norris because they are early in a rebuild and have an excessive amount of cap flexibility going forward. Or it will be a struggling team like Nashville who has a few mid-tier pieces that equal up to 8M in cap that they could move to make it work.

Ya, I can see them running with it if it's a player they intend to try to re-sign. Granlund would potentially fall under that, but Ceci doesn't feel like a fit. He hasn't wanted to be paid like a bottom pairing guy, but without another move, that's where he would slot with this team.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Did anyone see Norris try and take a one-timer last night late in the game? Complete flub, which is exactly what was happening when he was in the shooter's position earlier this year.

If he can't take a one-timer at an elite level it's very unlikely he puts up big numbers over an 82 game season, and therefore unlikely he justifies his 7.95M salary.

More than fine trading him away, just would hope it's a swap for a guy or two that can contribute positively to the roster. Last thing we should be doing is subtracting from the team right now.

Looked more like his timing was off rather than a complete inability to one-time the puck. If he couldn't one-time a puck for whatever reason, why would he even be attempting to in the first place?

 

[Hale The Villain]

Looked more like his timing was off rather than a complete inability to one-time the puck. If he couldn't one-time a puck for whatever reason, why would he even be attempting to in the first place?

I'm sure he can still one-time a puck, but if he's no longer as comfortable doing so due to stiffness/lack of range of motion and/or it's lost some power, that would provide a lot of explanation why we're now through 20 games and he hasn't unleashed a big one-timer yet and hasn't been playing in the shooter's spot on the PP.

 

[BankStreetParade]

I'm sure he can still one-time a puck, but if he's no longer as comfortable doing so due to stiffness/lack of range of motion and/or it's lost some power, that would provide a lot of explanation why we're now through 20 games and he hasn't unleashed a big one-timer yet and hasn't been playing in the shooter's spot on the PP.

Yeah but that was a mistimed shot. It's not like he connected on it and it was a muffin. Honestly, it looks like it wobbled before his stick connected with the puck but I don't 100% remember.

I've seen him take some one-timers this year that have been blocked but I think, more importantly, the defensive players shade over to him to get in the one-timer lane. When he's out on the PP, he gets a ton of 1on1 attention for his shot.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Nashville could use a C ...

Norris to Nashville

Carrier 28 y/0 Rd 3 Year contract $3.75 million AAV and prospect 2024 22OA Surin to Ottawa


Have to wonder how much he practices that these days... He should . He can easily stay out and shoot pucks with another player or a coach

Carrier is who I think most people would want back from Nashville, but I don't see it happening. He is playing too great of a role for them. It's one of those things like everybody wants Carrier, and we are going to get Lauzon.

I also could see O'Reilly being involved if it's Nashville, because we will need a middle 6 C for depth, and Nashville would probably welcome getting out of that contract to subsidize Norris.

Maybe something like O'Reilly+Lauzon+Draft pick for Norris, then we flip the pick and JBD to a third team for another defenseman, because it's clear that Green is not going to play JBD for more than a few minutes a night beside Kleven. Let's say Ceci is that other guy (I know...).

That would be cap compliant with 9.75M in and roughly 9.55M out (Norris+JBD+775k from sending a player down). It would fill up three roster spots while effectively only moving out one (I wouldn't consider JBD filling a roster spot with the way they use him).

 

[Loach]

Carrier is who I think most people would want back from Nashville, but I don't see it happening. He is playing too great of a role for them. It's one of those things like everybody wants Carrier, and we are going to get Lauzon.

I also could see O'Reilly being involved if it's Nashville, because we will need a middle 6 C for depth, and Nashville would probably welcome getting out of that contract to subsidize Norris.

Maybe something like O'Reilly+Lauzon+Draft pick for Norris, then we flip the pick and JBD to a third team for another defenseman, because it's clear that Green is not going to play JBD for more than a few minutes a night beside Kleven. Let's say Ceci is that other guy (I know...).

That would be cap compliant with 9.75M in and roughly 9.55M out (Norris+JBD+775k from sending a player down). It would fill up three roster spots while effectively only moving out one (I wouldn't consider JBD filling a roster spot with the way they use him).

I love how how you throw Ceci into everything. Having a beer...use the Ceci Cozy to keep it cool. Car break down in buttfcknowhere?.....Call Ceci Towing. Firing up the grill?...Don't forget Ceci BBQ Spice.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Watching that game last night made me think about Weegar again. Man I wish Ottawa could pry him out of there. Would happily include Norris in a deal for him and sacrifice Zub to make room.