Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[aragorn]

Not our best player.

Teams win without players like tkatchuk.

I have mused about trading him. But reality is probably won’t. Maybe shouldn’t.

But if you want to shake things up…. It’s him or batherson. I would trade batherson first. But

He is the best player who is better than him, he has led this team in scoring 4 of the last 5 yrs & seems to lead this team in almost every other category. If you want to shake things up trade Stutzle.

Sorry this year stutzle is like 10x the defensive player tkatchuk is. And he can actually help us possess the puck and create chances.

Have you been watching the playoffs lately? The team with the most penalties won the SC. Stutzle gives the puck away with regularity & falls constantly giving possession away. Two can play at this game.

 

[Golden_Jet]

He is the best player who is better than him, he has led this team in scoring 4 of the last 5 yrs & seems to lead this team in almost every other category. If you want to shake things up trade Stutzle.


Have you been watching the playoffs lately? The team with the most penalties won the SC. Stutzle gives the puck away with regularity & falls constantly giving possession away. Two can play at this game.

They shouldn’t be trading any of Brady, Tim or Sandy

 

[Blotto71]

I don't know whether Justin Peters is a good goalie coach or not or who "we all thought he was", but I am pretty damn sure he isn't the reason for Ullmark's struggles.

For most of the season, on D, the issue has been the top pair. I think Sanderson is playing hurt, it's the most likely explanation for the rapid fall off in his game.

Up front, I think the trio of Pinto Greig and Giroux have been the most disappointing, I give Perron a pass for now given the context. Giroux is getting old so I understand that, I don't think Pinto or Greig lacking onsetship for their play though, I'm pretty sure they know they need to be better.

Well I'm pretty damn sure Peters hasn't done shit to help any of the goalies he's coached - Korpisalo and Ullmark in Ottawa, Soogaard in Bellville being 3 that jump to mind. And Staios said he expected "strong leadership" from Peters when he promoted him in January this year.

So is he the reason? Probably not. Is he helping? Not even a f***ing little!

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Can't trade Stu. He's the only forward with elite potential.

 

[Loach]

He is the best player who is better than him, he has led this team in scoring 4 of the last 5 yrs & seems to lead this team in almost every other category. If you want to shake things up trade Stutzle.


Have you been watching the playoffs lately? The team with the most penalties won the SC. Stutzle gives the puck away with regularity & falls constantly giving possession away. Two can play at this game.

This is baloney. I hope they trade Brady just to watch you have a meltdown.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

They shouldn’t be trading any of Brady, Tim or Sandy

I agree about Stutzle or Sanderson.

I disagree about Brady. If we miss the playoffs this season and they keep Brady after his NMC kicks in, they are insane.

I see Brady staying after his NMC as a catch-22:

• If he is unhappy, they HAVE to move him so that they can get back an impact player or the biggest possible package of assets to help fix the team. They can't keep him because once his NMC kicks in, they won't have the leverage to get an impact player back for him.
• If he is HAPPY, they have to move him, because why would you want to build around a player who has the leverage to leave (his NMC) but is HAPPY with staying in a bad situation?
• If he is unhappy but insists he wants to see it out, they still can't keep him because things change and there is no way to guarantee that 3-6 months down the line he doesn't reach a point where he's had enough.

Unless we get some magic going, he is absolutely gone either by the TDL or the offseason.

My Senspiracy is that they have a few deals in their back pocket and he will be traded a lot sooner than people think. Friedman hinted at some people being unhappy in the summer. It wouldn't surprise me if they said stick it out and if it doesn't work we will make a move. I think that Staios gauging the market on all the Senators assets last year was partly cover to see what was out there for Brady without rocking the boat, because they knew the NMC was coming up (just like me when I called it before anybody else and received lots of laugh emojis that I had to battle through).

If they trade Brady in early December, it's probably not going to fix the team...but it might. It's still early enough that if making a big move like that creates a spark, they might be able to save this season. People discount how important ticket sales are. It's not an EA video game (which ironically do have ticket sales now). The "You're not Melnyk" honeymoon lasted one season and fans learned that while Melnyk was the problem, him being gone wasn't going to instantly fix all those problems. There is pessimism in the marketplace and the only way to fix it is PLAYOFFs. If they wait until the TDL to make moves, the season is done. If they trade Brady or whoever is voted off the island in December, there is still time.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I agree about Stutzle or Sanderson.

I disagree about Brady. If we miss the playoffs this season and they keep Brady after his NMC kicks in, they are insane.

I see Brady staying after his NMC as a catch-22:

• If he is unhappy, they HAVE to move him so that they can get back an impact player or the biggest possible package of assets to help fix the team. They can't keep him because once his NMC kicks in, they won't have the leverage to get an impact player back for him.
• If he is HAPPY, they have to move him, because why would you want to build around a player who has the leverage to leave (his NMC) but is HAPPY with staying in a bad situation?
• If he is unhappy but insists he wants to see it out, they still can't keep him because things change and there is no way to guarantee that 3-6 months down the line he doesn't reach a point where he's had enough.

Unless we get some magic going, he is absolutely gone either by the TDL or the offseason.

My Senspiracy is that they have a few deals in their back pocket and he will be traded a lot sooner than people think. Friedman hinted at some people being unhappy in the summer. It wouldn't surprise me if they said stick it out and if it doesn't work we will make a move. I think that Staios gauging the market on all the Senators assets last year was partly cover to see what was out there for Brady without rocking the boat, because they knew the NMC was coming up (just like me when I called it before anybody else and received lots of laugh emojis that I had to battle through).

If they trade Brady in early December, it's probably not going to fix the team...but it might. It's still early enough that if making a big move like that creates a spark, they might be able to save this season. People discount how important ticket sales are. It's not an EA video game (which ironically do have ticket sales now). The "You're not Melnyk" honeymoon lasted one season and fans learned that while Melnyk was the problem, him being gone wasn't going to instantly fix all those problems. There is pessimism in the marketplace and the only way to fix it is PLAYOFFs. If they wait until the TDL to make moves, the season is done. If they trade Brady or whoever is voted off the island in December, there is still time.

Disagree

 

[DackellDuck]

There is no way we should be doing that, trading Pinto because he's struggling for a dozen games coming off an injury would be a massive blunder

I think it's short term gain for long term pain, watching Pinto thrive elsewhere will come back to haunt us.

Maybe Pinto (or Greig) goes somewhere and thrives, and the player we acquire comes here and thrives, and it's a win-win. Like the Foligno for Methot trade was.

I'm not suggesting that we get rid of Pinto/Greig because they've struggled for 18 games, or that we trade them for a 32 year old with 1 year left on his contract to try and make some sort of playoff push.

That's why I brought up a hypothetical player like Braden Schneider. A 23 year old 6'4, 215 RD who could play in our top 4 for the next 5 years. Or if it's someone older, a guy like Pulock who's signed for 6 seasons.

If you consider the outlook in the short and long term, there are still holes on this roster and if you want to address some of them, I think Pinto and Greig are the most likely trade candidates, considering contracts, position, etc. You could maybe add Batherson, but we're weak at RW, especially in terms of scoring, so I would hang onto him.

If you want to bring in a good young player to fill a hole, you'll probably have to trade a good young player that you deem expendable.

Here's another hypothetical. Say a team looking for a young gritty C that has an excess of skill on the winsg offers you a 23 year old offensively titled forward, who'd be a better fit in our top 6 with either Norris or Stützle, for Greig.

Why wouldn't you make that trade?

But yeah, at the end of the day, it's really hard to make "hockey trades" in season and I doubt anything happens in the next few weeks. So it'll be up to this group to just play better.

 

[Laphroaig]

OK, his name was listed as one of the guys that could be moved. UHC really needs a C. Norris is too big a risk injury wise for that contract. Stutzle is untouchable so that left Pinto as a possible target / shake up.

I'd gladly trade Greig straight up for Crouse.

 

[Heldig]

I'd gladly trade Greig straight up for Crouse.

I like Greig. Seems a little light from Ottawa's side. Maybe contract status makes up for it though.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I like Greig. Seems a little light from Ottawa's side. Maybe contract status makes up for it though.

Ottawa doesn’t have the cap space.

 

[2CHAINZ]

Krik Earlsson

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Brady, JBD, and Boucher to the Rangers for Lafreniere, Schneider, and a draft pick or prospect.

 

[HSF]

Life's tough, cupcake. Sometimes you need to make the tough call and do something you don't like.

sure...so trade Norris who plays like a cupcake

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Brady, JBD, and Boucher to the Rangers for Lafreniere, Schneider, and a draft pick or prospect.

Not really sold on Laf being the centerpiece of that deal, although Schneider is an upgrade.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Would y'all do Greig and Ostapchuk for Quinn and Wahlberg?

 

[BlueGoose27]

Give Perron a break. There will be a time and place to go full Hamonic on him. With that said, he was very obviously never going to live up to that contract at his age, which isn't his fault. They overpaid to bring in a solid veteran presence who could play in the top 9. That happens when we're not an ideal market.

As far as trading the worse value contracts, I think that's what everybody would want but unfortunately teams usually only want good value players in trades.

I don't think everybody discussing Brady wants him traded. I can't speak for everybody, but in a perfect world he stays here and we figure out how to fix things. But he has been here for 7 years now and it looks like we may miss the playoffs again. Stars rarely stay through that. It doesn't help that his NMC creates a chokepoint where the two sides have to figure things out by. They can't afford to keep him past July 1st if he is unhappy because if he does eventually request a trade after July 1st, they will get much less for him than if they trade him at the deadline or the draft.

The last part of your post is what I’ve been trying to say for the past year. Essentially word for word. Ideally they figure it out and he stays, but this is a HUGE season for that. His NMC is very important to consider because of what you said.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

I agree about Stutzle or Sanderson.

I disagree about Brady. If we miss the playoffs this season and they keep Brady after his NMC kicks in, they are insane.

I see Brady staying after his NMC as a catch-22:

• If he is unhappy, they HAVE to move him so that they can get back an impact player or the biggest possible package of assets to help fix the team. They can't keep him because once his NMC kicks in, they won't have the leverage to get an impact player back for him.
• If he is HAPPY, they have to move him, because why would you want to build around a player who has the leverage to leave (his NMC) but is HAPPY with staying in a bad situation?
• If he is unhappy but insists he wants to see it out, they still can't keep him because things change and there is no way to guarantee that 3-6 months down the line he doesn't reach a point where he's had enough.

Unless we get some magic going, he is absolutely gone either by the TDL or the offseason.

My Senspiracy is that they have a few deals in their back pocket and he will be traded a lot sooner than people think. Friedman hinted at some people being unhappy in the summer. It wouldn't surprise me if they said stick it out and if it doesn't work we will make a move. I think that Staios gauging the market on all the Senators assets last year was partly cover to see what was out there for Brady without rocking the boat, because they knew the NMC was coming up (just like me when I called it before anybody else and received lots of laugh emojis that I had to battle through).

If they trade Brady in early December, it's probably not going to fix the team...but it might. It's still early enough that if making a big move like that creates a spark, they might be able to save this season. People discount how important ticket sales are. It's not an EA video game (which ironically do have ticket sales now). The "You're not Melnyk" honeymoon lasted one season and fans learned that while Melnyk was the problem, him being gone wasn't going to instantly fix all those problems. There is pessimism in the marketplace and the only way to fix it is PLAYOFFs. If they wait until the TDL to make moves, the season is done. If they trade Brady or whoever is voted off the island in December, there is still time.

Can you elaborate on what Friedman said exactly about unhappy players?

 

[Knave]

Trade Tkachuk and the 1st we're forfeiting that has zero value for Malkin.

 

[PlayOn]

Brady, JBD, and Boucher to the Rangers for Lafreniere, Schneider, and a draft pick or prospect.

I went to the Rangers GDT and someone said Laf needs to learn to back check and play defence. He’ll be the perfect Brady replacement.

Seriously though this is a tough deal to make in season considering Laf’s new contract doesn’t kick in til next year. They can’t really make the money work unless they have someone else to dump on us or elsewhere.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Can you elaborate on what Friedman said exactly about unhappy players?

I will try to find the exact quote. I believe it was a throw away line in the podcast. It might be in the season preview episode.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I went to the Rangers GDT and someone said Laf needs to learn to back check and play defence. He’ll be the perfect Brady replacement.

Seriously though this is a tough deal to make in season considering Laf’s new contract doesn’t kick in til next year. They can’t really make the money work unless they have someone else to dump on us or elsewhere.

Laf+Kakko+Lindgren = 9.225M
Tkachuk+JBD= 9.010714

We'll call that a 215K surplus for NYR. They are down one player. They have 573k in cap space right now. So you add in the 215k surplus and that gives them enough to call up a player making 788k or more. If their depth is bad, the Senators could possibly send them an established fourth liner, lol.

Kakko is playing well this season but let's not forget that they shopped him and he was drafted ages ago. He is no longer a blue chipper. He may be at a risk to go unqualified by the Rangers because he is one of those players who has a stronger case for arbitration based on the admissible criteria than what he would get in the real world from the Rangers or a rival team, but will come below the walk away number. People are going to say oh look he is finally scoring, but he is not playing a big role. I hardly think including him for cap purposes would be the breaking point for them if they are sold enough on Brady Tkachuk to disrupt their team early in the season this way.

Lindgren would likely appeal to the Senators because if they make a trade now, they are doing it to try and make the playoffs. Adding a defenseman who Green will actually play in the top 5 would be huge. I don't think the Rangers would want to move him, but to get Tkachuk, they would have to.

The Senators could obviously flip Lindgren and Kakko at the deadline for draft picks if they are out of the playoffs. I don't think the Senators would qualify Kakko unless he somehow broke out as a legitimate top 6 forward, which probably won't happen.

Whatever picks or prospects are involved going in either direction, whatever. But the above is a base for a trade that should be cap compliant. While it disrupts the Rangers defense, they do have Schneider who likely was already planned to take on a bigger role since Lindgren is a UFA. I think people are going to overrate what losing Kakko for someone like MacEwan would do for the Rangers, but I don't think they would see it as a big deal. He is scoring a lot to start the season, but it isn't like he is playing a significant irreplaceable role.

 

[branch]

If at this point you have any kind of misguided allegiance to a player other than Stutzle or Sanderson you have loser tendencies and you’re part of the problem. This team still reeks of Dorion suck and yes that does indeed suck but the only way to get out from under it is to start over again. I don’t want it to be that way but it is. And it is even worse when you remember that f***ing idiot is going to cost us a lottery pick in 2026 because he was too stupid to understand the paperwork

 

[branch]

Would y'all do Greig and Ostapchuk for Quinn and Wahlberg?

Yesterday

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Laf+Kakko+Lindgren = 9.225M
Tkachuk+JBD= 9.010714

We'll call that a 215K surplus for NYR. They are down one player. They have 573k in cap space right now. So you add in the 215k surplus and that gives them enough to call up a player making 788k or more. If their depth is bad, the Senators could possibly send them an established fourth liner, lol.

Kakko is playing well this season but let's not forget that they shopped him and he was drafted ages ago. He is no longer a blue chipper. He may be at a risk to go unqualified by the Rangers because he is one of those players who has a stronger case for arbitration based on the admissible criteria than what he would get in the real world from the Rangers or a rival team, but will come below the walk away number. People are going to say oh look he is finally scoring, but he is not playing a big role. I hardly think including him for cap purposes would be the breaking point for them if they are sold enough on Brady Tkachuk to disrupt their team early in the season this way.

Lindgren would likely appeal to the Senators because if they make a trade now, they are doing it to try and make the playoffs. Adding a defenseman who Green will actually play in the top 5 would be huge. I don't think the Rangers would want to move him, but to get Tkachuk, they would have to.

The Senators could obviously flip Lindgren and Kakko at the deadline for draft picks if they are out of the playoffs. I don't think the Senators would qualify Kakko unless he somehow broke out as a legitimate top 6 forward, which probably won't happen.

Whatever picks or prospects are involved going in either direction, whatever. But the above is a base for a trade that should be cap compliant. While it disrupts the Rangers defense, they do have Schneider who likely was already planned to take on a bigger role since Lindgren is a UFA. I think people are going to overrate what losing Kakko for someone like MacEwan would do for the Rangers, but I don't think they would see it as a big deal. He is scoring a lot to start the season, but it isn't like he is playing a significant irreplaceable role.

Lindgren is awful no f***ing thank you. Kakko, Schneider, Perreault, and a 1st for Tkachuk and JBD, or Lafreniere, Schneider, and a 1st for Tkachuk and JBD.