Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[HSF]

how about we trade guys who are actually not worth their contract ie Norris and Perron to clear cap

crazy that people want Brady gone

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Can we trade you to the rangers board instead of Tkachuk?

I wouldn't mind going to a bigger market, but I would need some assurances that there is a spot for me there.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

how about we trade guys who are actually not worth their contract ie Norris and Perron to clear cap

crazy that people want Brady gone

Personally, I'm only entertaining the idea on the basis of this season ending poorly again and it being an offseason decision. Potentially partially mutual with the NMC kicking in. They certainly can't just run it back again, so some form of major change is required.

If they want to try again and disrupt the core, he's one of very few guys that is going to bring in any sort of decent return other than Sandy and Stutzle. Zub and Batherson I might identify to move based on little contract length left, but value may be limited by that too.

Clearing cap is fine if they can bring someone in to replace, but they aren't going to get much back for Norris, nor be able to trade him without other cap coming back, and Perron they had to overpay to bring in, so might actually be a pay to move scenario, and if that's what they got last offseason, who are they going to be able to draw in after yet another lost season and even bleaker outlook?

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

how about we trade guys who are actually not worth their contract ie Norris and Perron to clear cap

crazy that people want Brady gone

Give Perron a break. There will be a time and place to go full Hamonic on him. With that said, he was very obviously never going to live up to that contract at his age, which isn't his fault. They overpaid to bring in a solid veteran presence who could play in the top 9. That happens when we're not an ideal market.

As far as trading the worse value contracts, I think that's what everybody would want but unfortunately teams usually only want good value players in trades.

I don't think everybody discussing Brady wants him traded. I can't speak for everybody, but in a perfect world he stays here and we figure out how to fix things. But he has been here for 7 years now and it looks like we may miss the playoffs again. Stars rarely stay through that. It doesn't help that his NMC creates a chokepoint where the two sides have to figure things out by. They can't afford to keep him past July 1st if he is unhappy because if he does eventually request a trade after July 1st, they will get much less for him than if they trade him at the deadline or the draft.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Personally, I'm only entertaining the idea on the basis of this season ending poorly again and it being an offseason decision. Potentially partially mutual with the NMC kicking in. They certainly can't just run it back again, so some form of major change is required.

If they want to try again and disrupt the core, he's one of very few guys that is going to bring in any sort of decent return other than Sandy and Stutzle. Zub and Batherson I might identify to move based on little contract length left, but value may be limited by that too.

Clearing cap is fine if they can bring someone in to replace, but they aren't going to get much back for Norris, nor be able to trade him without other cap coming back, and Perron they had to overpay to bring in, so might actually be a pay to move scenario, and if that's what they got last offseason, who are they going to be able to draw in after yet another lost season?

NMC kicking in ensures he is gone. Unless he just absolutely loves Winterlude. The only way he stays is if we turn it around but that is looking increasingly less likely. They can't risk keeping him past July 1st if things aren't peachy.

They likely knew this last year when they took over. It's part of why the sale dragging on the way it did was such a bad thing for the team. They had two chances to build around Brady and make it work. They really should have had control of the team by last year's TDL. Dorion made a bunch of moves between the TDL and the offseason that were mostly "hey look that GM is trying not to get fired" type moves. Like giving up a high 1st and 3 second round picks to upgrade Zaitsev to Chychrun, or trying to sign both Korpisalo and Tarasenko to contracts with significant term that eh would not have to deal with.

So they were then put in an impossible situation where they had this shit show of a team, and they not only had to try and find a way to retool the team in one offseason with minimal cap flexibility and almost no assets left, they had to try and undo all Dorion's big moves.

 

[Mosby]

I assume you guys are looking for a hockey trade rather than futures?

I could see Utah being interested in Norris. I assume he is more available than Pinto. Another player very much of interest is Ridly Greig.

Something involving Lawson Crouse?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Give Perron a break. There will be a time and place to go full Hamonic on him. With that said, he was very obviously never going to live up to that contract at his age, which isn't his fault. They overpaid to bring in a solid veteran presence who could play in the top 9. That happens when we're not an ideal market.

As far as trading the worse value contracts, I think that's what everybody would want but unfortunately teams usually only want good value players in trades.

I don't think everybody discussing Brady wants him traded. I can't speak for everybody, but in a perfect world he stays here and we figure out how to fix things. But he has been here for 7 years now and it looks like we may miss the playoffs again. Stars rarely stay through that. It doesn't help that his NMC creates a chokepoint where the two sides have to figure things out by. They can't afford to keep him past July 1st if he is unhappy because if he does eventually request a trade after July 1st, they will get much less for him than if they trade him at the deadline or the draft.

Even if he asked out, Sens may tell him we aren’t trading you, we want to keep you, as you have a contact until 2028.

 

[Senovision]

I assume you guys are looking for a hockey trade rather than futures?

I could see Utah being interested in Norris. I assume he is more available than Pinto. Another player very much of interest is Ridly Greig.

Something involving Lawson Crouse?

I used to have lots of interest in Lawson Crouse.....but oh how the mighty have fallen.
3 goal 1 assists this year in 19 games...eeeew

 

[bicboi64]

I assume you guys are looking for a hockey trade rather than futures?

I could see Utah being interested in Norris. I assume he is more available than Pinto. Another player very much of interest is Ridly Greig.

Something involving Lawson Crouse?

I'd trade Norris for a deal involving Crouse but we'd probably have take back another contract to balance out the salary. Maybe Maata or Cole on D?

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Even if he asked out, Sens may tell him we aren’t trading you, we want to keep you, as you have a contact until 2028.

That never works.

Fans always suggest that, but it's never done. It serves as a major distraction.

The last time I recall it being done was with Duchene. The difference is that there is no upside for Ottawa because Tkachuk isn't re-signing if we hold him hostage for 3 years, and we certainly won't be able to build a trade market for him with his NMC.

As far as Sakic doing it with Duchene, it helped contribute to the toxic mess that lead to one of the worst seasons in the cap era, and he was maybe a week away from losing the trade with the only GM willing to bail him out by offering something close to the packages Sakic previously turned down. As Friedman said, Sakic was sweating bullets.

There would be nothing logical or productive about taking that approach, especially considering his NMC.

 

[Mosby]

Cap space isn't a concern for Utah. There's lots, plus we can't afford to move a D when already down Durzi and Marino long term.

How available is Sogaard?

 

[DrEasy]

Cap space isn't a concern for Utah. There's lots, plus we can't afford to move a D when already down Durzi and Marino long term.

How available is Sogaard?

I'm available to drive Sogaard to the airport.

 

[Mosby]

Curious why Sogaard's stock has dropped so much? Does he still have starter potential?

 

[BondraTime]

I’m open to any trade outside of Stu/Sanderson.

Seems that it’s been an 8 year learning curve with no learning.

Curious why Sogaard's stock has dropped so much? Does he still have starter potential?

Nope

 

[Senscore]

Curious why Sogaard's stock has dropped so much? Does he still have starter potential?

Nothing I've seen from the guy indicated he ever had it, personally.

 

[Mosby]

Is a deal involving both Norris and Greig plausible?

 

[Relapsing]

how about we trade guys who are actually not worth their contract ie Norris and Perron to clear cap

crazy that people want Brady gone

All I want from Brady is responsible defensive play. Utterly sick of year 7 of cheating for offense.

Shit on the +/- stat all you want, but for his 9 goals this year, he's a - 4. He's a - 61 over his career here.

If he can't figure out how to play on the right side of the puck, then what else is there to do? He's on pace to be on the ice for 16 more goal against than he scores.That will be the second worst goal differential of his career.

As for Norris and Perron, they're a - 4 and - 5 respectively.

Sanderson is hands down the worst at - 12.

Anyways, it's a dumb stat in terms of what overall story it tells, but I could write a novel this year alone for all the times he's: given up on a play, blown the defensive zone to screw the breakout, puck watched, and missed his defensive assignments. And that's why he's a - 4 despite being a ppg player. At some point, the bad starts to outweigh the good.

I’m open to any trade outside of Stu/Sanderson.

Seems that it’s been an 8 year learning curve with no learning.

This year especially you can see Stu starting to round out his game to be a more complete player. He is clearly sick of losing and is trying to do something about it every night.

 

[bicboi64]

Is a deal involving both Norris and Greig plausible?

Absolutely, neither of those guys is untouchable and as good as Norris has played, his shoulder health will always have an asterisk.

What would be the pieces coming back aside from Crouse? Sens cupboards are empty of prospects and we're about to lose a first round pick. Would rather not get an expiring UFA that doesn't fit on the Sens like Kerfoot or Bjugstad. Would McBain or prospect like Doan be an option?

 

[DrEasy]

Curious why Sogaard's stock has dropped so much? Does he still have starter potential?

Once he's traded, he will probably become a great goalie.

Is a deal involving both Norris and Greig plausible?

Yes, you need to give us picks though, along with the scouts that will make the picks.

 

[Senator Stanley]

Is a deal involving both Norris and Greig plausible?

I really doubt it.

Greig I could see being traded maybe for a comparably young, cheap and talented player who fits a bigger organizational need.

Norris is a very tricky trade to make. Ottawa probably only trades him if they're getting close to full value for what he is - a 25 year old top two line centre. If the return is being depressed because of the injury risk, I suspect Ottawa just holds onto him.

I think the biggest thing to remember is that, while some fans seem ready for a panicked fire sale, there's zero indication from management that that's what they're going to do, and management has a ton of rope right now to do what they think is best.

 

[Mosby]

I'd think a Utah/Ottawa deal would be more of a hockey trade rather than something involving futures as both our teams need to start winning some games rather than accumulating more future assets. But let me know if I am wrong in that.

Norris is interesting for sure, but the contract and the term especially gives me pause, as does the shoulder problem (I don't know if it's both shoulders or just the one).

There is some speculation that Lawson Crouse was/is unhappy with the move from Arizona to Utah. He's also had a slow start (he did last year as well) and maybe it makes sense to give him a fresh look elsewhere. I think Utah also wants to move Nick Schmaltz, but he has a 10-team no-trade list and I'd assume Ottawa is on that list.

Utah doesn't have much for goaltending long term and could give an opportunity to Sogaard. I also wonder if a JDB (recently scratched) for Valimaki swap makes sense. Both players are similar age.

How far off is something like ...?

To Ottawa: Lawson Crouse, Michael Carcone, Jusso Valimaki, Matt Villalta
To Utah: Josh Norris, Ridly Greig, Jacob Bernard-Docker, Mads Sogaard

Two forwards, one D, one goalie aside. It seems too big for a midseason deal, and maybe slanted in Utah's direction, but let me know on that. Utah is definitely taking some risk in taking on the Norris contract and injury concerns, and this deal also saves Ottawa about $4 million in cap space.

 

[Big Muddy]

Is a deal involving both Norris and Greig plausible?

It depends if you would be asking Steve Staois or fans I suppose.

If its Staois, in a recent presser he said he was always looking at ways of improving the team, but felt it would be very unlikely that anything major would happen on the trade front for a while. Staois tends to play his cards very close to his vest, so there’s probably not going to many hints from him in general.

As for fans, it would depend on who you would ask, but I’d say some percentage of fans would be open to moving some players including those you have mentioned.

Some fans here argue that the return for Norris would not be great or that he would be difficult to trade. I’m not entirely sure of that, but I do understand that Norris term and $s would make it more difficult to move him.

 

[Mosby]

Would McBain or prospect like Doan be an option?

I don't think so. Maybe prospects like Julian Lutz, Miko Matikka, and Aku Raty. I don't think any of our more high-end guys like Iginla, But, and Beaudoin will be moved. We do have Ottawa's 2026 second-round pick from the Chychrun trade, and depending how things go for you that could be an early pick.

 

[Big Muddy]

I'd think a Utah/Ottawa deal would be more of a hockey trade rather than something involving futures as both our teams need to start winning some games rather than accumulating more future assets. But let me know if I am wrong in that.

Norris is interesting for sure, but the contract and the term especially gives me pause, as does the shoulder problem (I don't know if it's both shoulders or just the one).

There is some speculation that Lawson Crouse was/is unhappy with the move from Arizona to Utah. He's also had a slow start (he did last year as well) and maybe it makes sense to give him a fresh look elsewhere. I think Utah also wants to move Nick Schmaltz, but he has a 10-team no-trade list and I'd assume Ottawa is on that list.

Utah doesn't have much for goaltending long term and could give an opportunity to Sogaard. I also wonder if a JDB (recently scratched) for Valimaki swap makes sense. Both players are similar age.

How far off is something like ...?

To Ottawa: Lawson Crouse, Michael Carcone, Jusso Valimaki, Matt Villalta
To Utah: Josh Norris, Ridly Greig, Jacob Bernard-Docker, Mads Sogaard

Two forwards, one D, one goalie aside. It seems too big for a midseason deal, and maybe slanted in Utah's direction, but let me know on that. Utah is definitely taking some risk in taking on the Norris contract and injury concerns, and this deal also saves Ottawa about $4 million in cap space.

I think your proposed trade would hinge a fair amount on what Senator scouts thought of Matt Villalta. Looks like he had a good year in the AHL, but I don’t know that much about him. Jusso Valimaki wouldn’t generate much enthusiasm I’d guess. I’m not sure that trade makes us better or much better. Crouse will interest certain members of the HF Sens base though.

 

[DrEasy]

I don't think so. Maybe prospects like Julian Lutz, Miko Matikka, and Aku Raty. I don't think any of our more high-end guys like Iginla, But, and Beaudoin will be moved. We do have Ottawa's 2026 second-round pick from the Chychrun trade, and depending how things go for you that could be an early pick.

In order for us to assess the value of those prospects, please rank them by height and PIMs.